Communism Thread

sure Communism is utter shit as is fascism,monarchy and politicians and politics and people who talk politics WHICH IS WHY YOU SHOULD FUCK OFF TO POL

China dropped communism in the 80s and is now the most successful example of a fascist state, and not SJW fascism, the fascism Mussolini was going for.

However, most of China's success is simply due to its population size. Percapita is mediocre, and many of its people live in Africa tier poverty, like literal UN defined poverty. Percapita China is below Mexico and the fucking Dominican Republic. But when you have a population that size, of course its going to dwarf most other countries.

>China is the biggest economy on planet
See: >I-IT'S NOT REAL COMMUNISM!
Righties will never admit a country is communist/socialist if it's successful at the time.

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Listen here retard. How Venezuela has it setup is that you can own your own shit. But most of all your profits are taxed. That’s why everyone is poor, the government is rich, and the children are eating rats for dinner.

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Yeah but unironically Tiananmen Square 1989.

Bull, thetre still communist and still rely on othrr nations namely the US to feed their people, wthout the capitalist nation to feed their economy and people they would fall fast. They'er already starting to waiver just from the tariffs.

you didn't even try to disguise it as a weapons thread.

>How the fuck is this retarded ideology still a thing today?
Communism, or strictly - socialism, is the English tool made to eliminate competition. Nobody ever asked the question, why Marx and Engels only successfully influenced White Russia, and not their homeland? Because socialsm has been carefully planted to topple Russian economy that was about to boom from Trans Siberian Railway.
FFS, during the Cold War West could starve Soviets any time - but You don't kill the nation You made Your bitch

I agree, disclaimer to all the newfags and lolbergtarians, national socialism is not communism.

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national socialism is the true way forward, take all the power of capitalism and use every bit for the economy except all critical parts are held by the gov (such as banks) so (((outside))) forces can't interfere and start turning the nation's resources against it

That's right.

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Say what you will about Hitler but he knew how to incentivize people. You would take out a loan to but your house and 1/4th of the loan would be paid off for every child you had. The government paid people with hard cash to have children so society would grow. Hitler managed to take the decadent weimar republic and turn it into a world superpower in the span of 6 years.

Modern China is a Legalist state, user.

Excuse me, where are the guns? There's like five other boards who would entertain your idea and offer reaffirming comments.

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Mods are asleep. That’s why this thread isn’t on Jow Forums

Yeah, all 200,000,000 Chinese are benefiting from the Chinese economy.

From my experience on this site, calling out the bait is as satisfying as BTFOing.

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Russian reporting. Communism was the greatest thing that happened to this country, and I know many Bulgarians, former Yugoslavs and East Germans, who share that opinion.
I was a kid in the 80s, but there WAS food in the shops, sure, there was less variety, but nobody starved either. Starvation happened in the 30s because of the bad harvests and repressions, in the 40s because of the war and in the 50s because of shitty politics and national reconstruction, but in the 60s to 80s, living there was fine.
For example, Russia in 1917 was 250 years in the past, it was a third world shithole. In 1945, it defeated Germany and conquered space in 1957 and 1961. It had created the only army in history that was an actual counterpart to the USA. In the USSR and in Yugoslavia, socialism had brought peace between nations, and wars erupted after the fall of the socialist governments.
These governments had brought education, healthcare for all, and the child of backwater farmers could became a cosmonaut or a doctor if he was smart enough, something that will never happen under capitalism.

Fuck you and your retarded ideology for ruining the greatest country that ever was. The USSR had real socialism and it was great, and it is now an example that should inspire everyone. Sure, the Stalin regime was excessive (that's why it was changed afterwards), and there were shortcomings, but now that we know that they exist (issues with variety of food, low production of consumer goods), we can adapt the system to make it better, like in Yugoslavia.

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Because it's great in theory but not practice

>they all starved
There were three periods of food shortage in USSR: one during the civil war, the one in 30's (product of collectivization policies and other factors), and one right after the WW2 (much smaller in scale). In 30's, several million people died.
Soviet communism had many faults but you should try and learn the facts. Posting bullshit like that ("they all starved") makes you look like a fucking idiot. USSR was the second economy of the world during Cold War.
>they got into another war
Yeah, China attacked them.

Socialism had it's good sides too. In most of countries it improved life quality of population a lot. At some point there was stagnation and a lot of issues though.
>how can people still support it

Just like how some people still support Nazism which was an even bigger failure.
Most of commies today don't support USSR and try to learn from it's mistakes.

>former Yugoslavs
It wasn't the greatest thing, but in many ways it was better than what we have now.
Of course, it's hard to explain this to Americans, they've been programmed to shit on communism without exceptions, and they don't understand what existed before and what happened after communism in some countries.

real politi/k/

The US and NATO didn't do anything other that wait for the USSR to fail and were in fact taken by surprise when it did. Communism is inherently nieve about human nature, ideologically skirting the details about how "the means of production" are to be controlled and managed. The USSR attempted to do this via a centralized command economy run by the party elite "on behalf of the workers". This centralization begat corruption and inefficiency and their economy struggled to maintain their massive military spending even while supplying a lower standard of living compared to the west.

Yeah, most of them think that communism makes countries poor because they see Russia, Poland, Croatia etc now and it's poorer than France, Germany or the UK.
But they seem to think that Eastern Europe was as developed as these countries before socialism.
They don't know that Yugoslavia, Russia, Bulgaria etc, before socialism, were in the Middle fucking ages, little to no industry, three railroad lines accross the entire country, most of the population lived like serfs... Sure, Eastern Europe lags 20 to 40 years in development behind Western Europe now, but before socialism, it was 200 years, if not more.

Sure, socialism wasn't perfect, but it was majoritarily good, and now we know what to improve, mostly production of consumer goods like TVs, fridges etc and food variety.

Uh i dont like being part of a collective
t. AnCap meme

To their defense (sort of) most of the time mass starvation under communism has been deliberate. But that kind of makes it even worse.

>But most of all your profits are taxed

Which is pretty much the chinese model. However you tax racket is subject to your social status which brings us back to:

>hat’s why everyone is poor, the government is rich

China is still the largest communist country around.

>but in the 60s to 80s, living there was fine
So fine that people from the USSR were dreaming of shopping in other soviet republics and going over the iron curtain was literally impossible. You know nothing of the USSR you fucking millenial.
>defeated Germany
While having it's army run on American trucks
>healthcare for all
Where you're not getting shit if you're not friends with the doctor
>Yugoslavia, socialism had brought peace between nations, and wars erupted after the fall of the socialist governments
Some peace it was then. You probably think that 90s problems were 90s specific and not soviet-wide forever problem you fucking donkey.

>So fine that people from the USSR were dreaming of shopping in other soviet republics
That's what I was saying you fucking nigger, one of the few actual issues was that people sometimes couldn't buy that one dress or that one TV they wanted. Tough shit. Sure, it's one of the things that should be fixed, but it beats being jobless or having 5-digit medical debt (in USD, that is.)
>Where you're not getting shit if you're not friends with the doctor
Where did you and your family live then? That sounds like bullshit to me, because even my family in the countryside had what they needed.
>You probably think that 90s problems were 90s specific and not soviet-wide forever problem
90s wars had their roots running deep, before socialism. And socialism made it that the wars didn't erupt, they happened only after it ended.
So, socialism maintained peace even in places where conflicts were engrained in centuries of history.
Yeah, I may have been born in the 80s, but you know what? There's a thing called "talking to people" that allows you to - surprise surprise - learn about what happened BEFORE you were born!
But I guess that you don't have anyone to talk to in your oбщaгa (if you're actually from the ex-USSR, that is) since even your family doesn't want to hear anything from a little faggot like you are.

Based

Your "family that lived in the countryside" is already 80 and has alzheimers and diabetes you massive retard.
>Yeah, I may have been born in the 80s, but you know what?
I know that you don't know what you are talking about. USSR couldn't prevent 1956 revolt, nor 1968 not even 1961. Everything you saw in 1991 onwards were the problems USSR had for decades already and ultimately what brought it to ruin. The only reason why mongoloids like you think USSR was even remotely a good thing is that you were too fucking young to understand what's going on around you and see rampant alcoholism and drug abuse that was going on along with gopniks and other proletariat ruling the streets

Oh, you're Ukrainian, that explains things.
And let's talk about the revolts you've mentioned. They happened in other countries because they were militarily occupied, not in the USSR.
Plus, both Imre Nagy and Alexander Dubcek were communists, who wanted to reform that system a little but still keep it. Khrushchev was OK with the demands of the Hungarians until they told they'd leave the Warsaw Pact. 1968 was, however, due to Brezhnev's rigid foreign policy.
And my relatives in the countryside are in their 50s and still very much able; not everyone chugs salo and gorilka until they sink lower in mental abilities than the average gypsy, you know.

Thing is that judeo bolshevism is just the other side of the coi that is judeo capitalism, everything but fascism is pure insanity

china isn't communist anymore and when they were 50 million people starved to death
also, china is the biggest economy in the world because they have 1.4 billion people
if the US had 1.4 billion people our economy would 3 times the size of china's
more people = more output
>b-but india
the reason india isn't at that level is because they have an average iq of 82 and 80% of their population is still stuck in the stone age

Friendly reminder the cold war was used to install modernisation theory world wide both the west and USSR did it this is a perfect case of dialectics in action as proxy wars raged the western nations would import commies in the same way the war on terror is importing Muslims it's to bring about the socioeconomic system known as communitarianism .
During the cold war the trick of corporate warfare was professionalised simply claiming a project had been stolen by the soviets would bankrupt whole industries think of where Canadas airline industry went after the Avro arrow .. think major Jordans diary ...or remember that time the USSR vetoed a UN investigation into America's use of chemical weapons in Korea ?
Where did cubas commies come from again ?
It has been a long painful trick this whole time and now the world finds it's self asking who is Jewing who .
Kennedy found out about it and wanted to end the cold war but it was to early and profitable.
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the JBS was also investigating this shit before they got infiltrated .
Even yuri bezmenov mentioned the funds coming from wall Street .
Yes communism doesn't work but we haven't seen capitalism either since pre ww1 .
What we have now is government infiltrated corporations or government disguised as corporations yet the geopolitics remains the same as it is geographically based .

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USSR was occupied, jews made up about 1% in 1959 yet about 80% of the bolshevik leadership was jews. It was a jewish occupied country

ussr dindu nuffin
unironically
I'd rather live in 60's USSR than in modern Russia

If socialism was so great then why did people kill themselves and each other at even higher rates than modern Russians who often live in borderline poverty? Why did they abort three babies for every one that was born?

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>why did people kill themselves and each other at even higher rates than modern Russians
Source?

Its the same, just with more food and Hookers tho

I don't have a chart for suicides but you can look them up on demoscope site.

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it absolutely isnt the same

I grew up in the judeo bolshevik part of germany before the transformation to judeo capitalism, it is the same shit for 99%. Only difference is that now everybody can afford how much unhealthy food as he wants and people wear fancier clothing