Let's have a proper discussion about degeneracy. Specifically, men turning into women (or trying to) for a variety of reasons.
One clearly can't blame culture for that, as it's present in USA, Russia, Europe, Asia and basically everywhere, where people aren't repressed for such desires.
Do you think transsexualism is a legit condition? What do you think of emotionally stable men who just get off from being a woman? Is it a trend that's being pushed by liberals, or deeply sexual nature of humans surfacing when enabled by highly developed civilisation? Being evolutionarily wrong, is it bad for societies? If so, what restrains should be put onto that? Is that yet another form of liberation from constrains of nature, or just a way for men to succumb into sexualization and get hooked on dopamine rush from dedicating their entire lifestyle to a fetish? Should such behaviours be acceptable when properly concealed?
I just want to say that in my opinion this shit is deeply deeply sexual. Most women get off from being sexy themselves, then why wouldn't men, who are even more atracted to feminine beauty and sexuality? That also explains the large number of male to female trans, when compared to the opposite direction.
One day people will realize how helping children "transition" was in most cases basically the same as finishing the job with one's mouth when you catch them masturbating.
>a person chopping off their genitals thousands of miles away has a measurable effect on me somehow!! THEY MUST BE STOPPED OR ELSE! and you call the trannies mentally ill
Joshua Jenkins
>What do you think of emotionally stable men who just get off from being a woman?
There is no such thing. Not one. If your behavior does not conform to evolutionary human biological imperatives, your behavior is anti-evolutionary and you require medical and psychological help.
Mentally and physically healthy human beings want to be married and have children in young adulthood, live in extended families, and have traditions and morally decent culture and social order. Prior to the madness that is the 21st century, those who chose not to participate in biological imperatives were considered pariahs and shunned. Now we have modern medicine and we can help people with issues and bring them back to evolutionary social norms, but instead these people are celebrating these issues.
Josiah Cruz
It's from porn which comes from kikes which is normalized by the kike media and kike kike kikes a kike kikedy kike kike kike
What a revolting disgusting picture. If I were gay I would want to bury me in some actual man, Idk how many paraphilias you should have to even touch this.
>having legal repercussions in many western countries for misgendering trannies ain't a measurable effect
Kevin Price
It disintegrates any objective reality in our society, and it dissolves any sense of morality supporting mentally ill people to hurt themselves. The left would have kittens if you said you’d told an anorexic that they need to lose weight, or a schizophrenic to listen to the voices, yet they support these people in doing great harm to themselves and those around them. It’s why faggotry is an issue. It devolves our morals from “we are animals, yet we shouldn’t succumb to our animal nature” to “fuck it, we’re animals let’s act like”
Aiden Thomas
This site loves trannies
Luis Ramirez
kek
Carter Nguyen
Lmfao
William Fisher
Men don't have to be monogamous as long as they can maintain the women and children. That's as evolutionary as you can get the more women a man can maintain the better man he is.
Eli Cruz
most MtF trans are straight men who are emotionally or sexually satiated by doing it
>Now we have modern medicine and we can help people You're as delusional as OP, who is a faggot as well.
Jackson Reed
< straight male.
All online trans activists would be termed Autogynephiles. They are not attracted to men, even if they sometimes meme themselves into relations with men. AGPs may have sex with men but it's the act itself which turns them on, not the male partner
YouTube and wiki as sources. Lol. Nice info graph.
Jayden Smith
from the description on the image seems like both are
Justin Watson
I was getting into the first type, but then i realize that it was just mental illness, however i still get a boner for those "tg caption", can you help me DUDE?
This term triggers trans people - Autogynephilia. Basically it means that one finds the other sex so attractive that subconsciously they want to become that person. It arouses a male to be female and vice versa. It's WIDELY shunned and they get triggered instantly. It's also why you never hear about it since its a big reason for de-transitioning.
Jaxson Gutierrez
stop attacking people with axes in servos
Chase Morris
Ahh, beat me to it.
Parker Perez
Yep. Basically someone who can't accept they're gay, so go the woman routes and later have scrotum sex. Crazy.
Ryder Lewis
Sure, discussion in an echo chamber. Sounds fun.
If we're going to use the word degeneracy, we could absolutely look to culture as a major factor of transgenderism, as a person being cisgender is the cultural norm everywhere.
>legit condition? Sure. It's a mutation. A human born with different chemical balances and brain patterns as a way to test if this new strain should survive.
>just get off from being a woman? Certainly possible, but probably not a large enough group to confirm its existence. Needs more data.
>Is it a trend? No. Accepting trans is trending in the new generation. Being trans isn't.
>Being evolutionarily wrong History decides what's evolutionarily wrong, not the present.
>bad for societies? Considering its core is individualistic, no.
>a fetish? You're coming at this with what I think are wrong preconceived notions. My notion is it's nature experimenting. If you can't accept that, then we have differing opinions on what "evolution" is that can't be resolved in this thread.
>concealed? Why be concealed? You're bringing inherent shame on what is a natural part of evolution.
All in all, I don't expect to make any progress in this chamber, but I figured I'd point out the flaws in this thinking.
Jayden Diaz
It's the technology, dummy. The Internet is a roleplaying system through-and-through, and people mistake it for reality.
That's not a tranny, that's a man with long hair and some make up on.
Wyatt Jackson
Dr. James Cantor (@JamesCantorPhD) Tweeted: @supermattachine More than 1 thing can motivate transition. One is autogynephilia, another is extreme homosexuality. FtM is usu latter type. twitter.com/JamesCantorPhD/status/620647481383194625?s=17
If i posted an actual tranny here, accumulated mass of boners and denial would collapse the planet into a black hole
Eli Wilson
>Do you think transsexualism is a legit condition? Yes. Legit conditions have root causes. The cure is not a superficial bandaid, it is a deeply rooted problem being addressed through self knowledge, journaling and sometimes therapy >What do you think of emotionally stable men who just get off from being a woman? This is a contradiction. Emotionally stable men do not want to get off as a woman. Men with deeper issues do, and problems with positive masculinity. Its funny: nobody pushes for positive masculinity >is it a trend that's being pushed by liberals, or deeply sexual nature of humans surfacing when enabled by highly developed civilization? I think its a trend, I think so because of a few articles I have read. Long story short, there is no evidence this is even a biological condition. Only second handed, and created through trauma abuse etc. >Being evolutionary wrong, is it bad for societies? If so, what restrains should be put onto that? Quit abusing our children, quit shaming white males, quit promoting women, quit portraying women as the sex gods IN the porn. White males are privileged, yet they are the ones who transition to become women... >Is that yet another form of liberation from constrains of nature, or just a way for men to succumb into sexualization and get hooked on dopamine rush from dedicating their entire lifestyle to a fetish? Its another degeneracy much like drugs and alcohol. All are pleasurable flits of light we are drawn to by abuse in our childhood, or running away or toward something. (away from a negative portrait painted by ones mother, or the only for a mother to love her son is if he is a girl, etc) >Should such behaviors be acceptable when properly concealed? No, because these people would still be affected. End the abuse now.
Non-binary trans person here. Let me fill you all in.
Sex, sexuality and gender are all different things. "Sex" refers to ones biology, the genitals they were born with and/or their chromosomes. "Sexuality" refers to the genders that one is potentially able to be attracted to. "Gender" is ones internal relationship to their external sex, and the societal roles placed on them because of it.
These definitions are true for cis-people and trans-people alike.
All three things exist as a spectrum, though people tend to appear more frequently at the far ends. So male-female is a spectrum (which refers to sex). Straight-gay is a spectrum (which refers to sexuality). And Man/boy-Woman/girl is a spectrum (which refers to gender).
Dylan Torres
Show bobs
Carter Perez
No shit sherlock, people are different, nobody's denying that. Yet in most cases you see people going full throttle with their transitions. It's like there's a small percentage of non-cis people, 98% of which would still go full throttle one gender or another. Activity of those 2% of 2% of society is miniscule and may be ignored in calculations.
Levi Walker
no they're smol
Alexander Turner
disgusting
p.s. meme flag = jew
Landon Wright
That's significantly more than some religions, though. We don't "protect trans people" we "Ban discrimination on the basis of gender."
That law protects everyone.
Parker Bennett
Victim of autogynephilia
Brandon Lee
I see you are missing the point of this thread. We want to discuss greater picture of the phenomenon, it's role in society and its causes. Using an arbitrarily chosen set of principles, we are trying to define that thing as either positive or negative. I did not come to fucking Jow Forums to hear shit i would hear everywhere else, i want some niche opinions on this controversial subjects and i want to see them clash.
Andrew Ross
I actually transitioned the other way but sure.
Josiah Jones
The first reply to this thread is the word poop in all caps.
Dylan Lewis
that's not a transgender,that's a stinky metalhead
Nicholas Long
So you would let the stupidest of us define the level on which we all should be discussing, how predictable.
Joshua Murphy
No, it actually seems to me that I'm the most reasonable person here.
Mason Phillips
Good for you pal
Austin Diaz
My country is the definition of degeneracy. I hope Europe builds an army that can blow us into the stone age where we belong.
I believe it is a side effect from the current state of our matriarchal culture anf attempts to immasculate males for profit, encouraged by various groups that benefit from it. The heavy hitters are pharmaceutical lobbies for obvious reasons and jews, because of talik mala and their control over media and publication. It is trendy now because it is a learned mental illness and trannies have nothing better to do all day than speedrun and idf their delusions.
Ayden Torres
Maybe it’s just me... but these weirdos just remind me of hair “rock” bands from the 80’s
Is it bad that both piss me off? They are freaks to me.
Kevin James
Guess it's only natural to react like this, but again, even absolute madmen should have rights to do whatever they want to their bodies.
Oliver Brown
>Do you think transsexualism is a legit condition? of course. the fact that it occurs around the world and not just in a few isolated cultures points to it being biological rather than cultural you find tranners in canada, brazil, iran, even in geographically isolated places like samoa. the only places you don't find tranners are where the person would be killed for coming out, like north korea or shithole african countries
Its a real condition, there are some trenders, probably more and more as the media gets black balling american values.
It is not evolutionarily wrong, if anything, with the exception of abusive parents, people who volentarily become trans and do not reproduce are good for the genetic health of our race.
Dopamine rush is a hell of a pill. Ultimately, everything in society will cause this kind of thing. we are filthy with it. In that sense I think its completely fair to say trans is not a form of dopamine rush addiction. I think the pay off would be inordinently too small for it to matter in this saturated environment, certainly the sexual thrill wont matter much, estrogen reduces sexual impact, so the trend of chemical high turns downward, estrogen targets given by the doctors are also very low for natural females, so trans people also have a hormonal deficiency at times causing even more lacks of dopamine.
I think that this dichotemy might change as more and more degeneracy and abuse is allowed in the manipulation of children, but if you asked me 10 years ago you'd have to be out of your mind to think you end up with more dopamine at the end of the equation. the main benefit is reduced desire for self harm and suicide idealization.
