Universal basic income

Yeah I'm a real bad boy.

Universal get a fucking job or starve

With record low unemployment and MUH ROBOTS not forcing 30, 40, 50% unemployment UBI is just another handout looking to hook someone on government dependency for one reason or another. Can’t even find enough non-retards to fill good paying Jobs that require above average intelligence and a good work ethic as it is.

Fun fact: it was a Republican president who first suggested a form of UBI in the United States. President Richard Nixon proposed a minimum income for all citizens of an equivalent of $10,000 per year In current dollars.

kick out all the nonwhites so we can start small-scale experiments

Holy Kek, Nixon's minimum income program was named FAP! He envisioned NEETs decades before anyone else.
>In the 1970s, President Richard M. Nixon proposed the Family Assistance Program (FAP) which would replace the AFDC. FAP was designed to fix many of the problems that the AFDC suffered from, particularly the anti-work structure.

what experiment? socialism?

How about fuck free money.

fake and gay

yes

why does my gf even go to work, while welfare leeches get it for free? why do you get rewarded for being of no value?

I guess this social program is simple to administrate and less costly compare to others let's say EITC or government created employment.
I personally do not like any kind of social programs, I prefer small government and deport low tier immigrants

It's completely retarded, and can be disproven with a simple napkin calculation. It's communism, plain and simple.

this is honestly the dumbest utopian thing ive ever heard

you need to earn your keep. thats how nature works. So everything becomes automated? so what? theyll still need people to mine the materials to make the robots, more to build and maintain the robots. But say we take it to its logical extreme and literally EVERYTHING is automated. The robots make themselves, fix themselves, etc. Who decides who gets what? How do you determine who's worthy of having offspring which will result in less free shit for everyone else? Even if robots do everything for us, theres still a limited amount of space and resources on the planet. Currently (welfare excluded) you get the most space and the most resources the same way every creature has for billions of years: providing more value with the space and resources you have than the next guy can. Its simply a biological truth. People will always want more. Human desire is infinite. Currently, a market system keeps that in check.

people will find new jobs, they'll always come up with a way to have more than the next guy. Basic, biological competition that drove evolution in the first place.

Universal credit pls

Don't shit on Hitler he didn't have as much time in power as the other guys

This, it is about dependency. Once you have this they can make it pay for your good and housing etc. Then you won't fight to protect your ability to provide for yourself. Later when you are powerless you can be shut off or discarded.

Still a shit idea

It's not communism, because you are free to make as much money as you want.

fuck off libertaritard shill

If I'm guaranteed money, then why would I care about go above and beyond in anything

I know. Instead of offering free money, they should educate people how to cope with the growth of AI, because there is a potential of complementary jobs created by the AI, such as coding and administrating... dumb people will be out

Its a good idea once we've ensured a strong white majority in white countries

>only thing that motivates success is money
how to be an npc 101

what is the point of giving people free money at all??? what is the unemployment rate in your country?

For losers, but it will certainly attract voters over universal healthcare.

>dumb people will be out
That would cut your life unfortunately short

most people are going to be leeches anyways govt employs 40% of americans if you include private contractors and robots are going to make lots of people unemployed in the future.

>what is the point of giving people free money at all???
What is the point of anything? The answer: it depends on the context. You provide no sufficient context within which your question could be given a satisfying answer.

Only if it is paid in the form of firearms.
$1,000 worth of guns and ammunition per citizen per month.
Including the good stuff.

so communism or socialism only work in a white ethnostate ?
the white europeans have tried that in the last century before the migration but it did not work. This idea does not work for anyone

>That would cut your life unfortunately short
explain

I'm insinuating that your intelligence is of inferior capability.

still better than a dumb commie

Most govt jobs are effectively UBI already, robots are coming and UBI will allow people to focus on starting a business without having a day job to worry about.

I honestly hate how fucking rigidly retarded most of you people are, its like debating ww2 with a leftist, you just simply won't respond to logical arguments but only appeal to emotions.

"Duuuuurrrrrrrrrrr noone should get shit for free, not fair, commieeeeeeessss"

Now I would never implement this shit without kicking out the shitskins prior, but you people really need to bang your heads against the wall until you learn to shut the fuck up and listen

it's the best way, just point and click and your citizenry goes there for you

like a video game

>i deserve free shit
No

>adventages
dude free shit lmao
>disadvantages
eventually you run out of other people's money

With good chance, yes. That in itself is not a strong compliment.

thats the niggers

Call welfare whatever you want, it doesn't work.

Okay well exterminate all the non-whites and you can have all the UBI you want then. Call me when it actually happens

My opinion is that as AI/robotics begin to emerge, it will be a necessity. It doesn't really matter what you think of it one way or the other. Governments will have no choice. When you have permanent 30% unemployment, not using UBI will be a recipe to have every politician killed. Luckily for us here in the US, our government is importing a million unskilled laborers every year who we'll all have to support in a de ade or two.

again, I said, socialism does not work regardless the race

how is it any different from welfare and how does it not lead to inflated prices

I am sure that UBI is not the only solution.

Communism doesn't work, dude.

I know. I wouldn't want my money (tax) goes to some lazy fags

Once it comes here Im going to secretly go to the third world and still collect my 400usd a week, get a friend to send it.

While on welfare, all income you make will get subtracted from your welfare sum, so that until you make more money than the amount of your base welfare, you aren't really making any profit. At least that's how it is in Finland. In UBI you would get a base sum of money and be free to build income on top of that

It's bullshit that cannot be sustained in any nation or state. It will contribute to the collapse of any honestly run economy. It is a great dream though. And if we didn't live in Jew economies now, and people could make livable wages, then no one would be pipe dreaming about free universal income.

You're a retarded idealogue, the net effect of UBI would be LOWER taxes because you can now fire all the useless govt workers and get rid of all subsidized shit jobs, affirmative action programmes etc

>yEB!

A large portion of people would be perfectly happy with this arrangement and practically all browns already are. UBI is just another way for whites to pay for everyone else. I'll pass.

I know, but still what is the point of giving people free money?

gibs pay more than that so the point is mute.

I can't believe how many civnat tier shitheads we have in here.

With UBI you could lower the taxes as much as you want, fire as many govt workers as you want, slash all other welfare programmes etc
40% of the US work force works in govt today, most of them are useless.

It's a NET BENEFIT from a libertarian perspective even, but of course you lack the capability of understanding this becuase you will revert back to idealism and shaming tactics, just like the leftards.

UB has been destroyed ad nauseam, goes against human nature. only low production people support it and they CANT sustain it unless they FORCE high production people to do it, but high production people are naturally stronger so they'll eventually go killing all the weaklings... wont work, can't be sustained.

so that you can keep more of your money?

How does one lower taxes as much as they want (I want zero, by the way) while giving money out to everyone?

>most of them are useless

How did you quantify their usefulness?

>but of course you lack the capability of understanding this becuase you will revert back to idealism and shaming tactics, just like the leftards.

How do you not see the irony in this statement?

That we are already a corporate state, we'll have UBI any cycle soon

How is the present welfare state (which costs more money than UBI) sustained?

The truth is most people are fucking worthless leeches economically, they sit around in their govt jobs or doing jobs that will inevitably be automated in the future.

Now the big caveat that I will add though, is that the shitskins have to be sent back, that is far more important than anything else at this point.

how about get rid of any government social programs?
They should lower tax, so they will have more surplus income, so they will spend more. Productivity goes up.
Giving people money for nothing real cause inflation because nothing will be produced

>civnat
I dont think you know what term means. You have to go back.

Getting a 0 tax rate is not going to happen anytime soon, but getting UBI plus a flat tax would be something of a dream compared to what we have today.

Most of them are useless because they work jobs that aren't needed, jobs that are subsidized by the govt because they need people to spend money.

No irony there bro, just the truth. You think UBI is immoral so you oppose it based on the jewish libertarianism you've been indoctrinated with. You refuse to counter the fact that UBI would LOWER TAXES because you lack the ability

You will not be able to create a libertaritard fantasy land because of the lefties and you know it. So "but duurrrr if we just got rid of the govt we'd have no taxes" is a moot point.

Giving people money for nothing is what is going on already, 40% of US workforce works in govt plus all the other subsidized shit

civic nationalism, go back to jerking off to juden peterstein you pathetic fag

>he thinks that the gubbamint would actually get rid of the other programs instead of just tacking UBI onto it
even if they did, soon youll have another wave of retards saying that UBI isnt enough for X po' disenfranchised PoC and soon you're back to square one.

i want neetbucks. combined with my retirement accounts i could retire right now

Just because I'm not a nazbol like you doesn't mean I love BASED brown niggers. You commies get the fucking rope.

The lefties always use the argument "but what about the pooooor people and muh inequality"
UBI would fuck this up for them royally, and there would be no moral issue with ending other welfare programs.

But besides the glaringly obvious point that UBI would actually promote your sacred (((libertarianism))), it also makes sense from a market perspective. People will be incentivised to take risks because they know they have the UBI to fall back on.

I hate shitskins as much as the rest of you and I want them gone before any serious implementation of this. I'm also not a nazbol but a pragmatic

>calling someone libertaritard
>supports 'free money'
check yourself in front of a mirror, fag

It fails right out of the gate. If you have nothing to offer then why should you exist? You need to provide something of value in order to survive. That is the nature of reality. What UBI is goes against the very foundations of society. Expecting other people to carry you through life by donating some of their value while receiving nothing in return is parasitic. We should snuff that idea out as quickly as we crush a mosquito.

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libertaritard= libertarian you dumbfuck

"free moneyyy" yeah like we're wasting on govt workers and all present welfare leeches right?

yeah that black woman working at the DMV is totally offering a good reason for you to pay her with your tax money eh?

>UBI would fuck this up for them royally, and there would be no moral issue with ending other welfare programs.
you quite obviously dont understand the left. it doesnt matter what's moral or logical, what matters is they can use people's grievances, promise them free shit, and gain power with it. it's why all democracies are doomed from the start, people will sooner or later realize they can vote themselves a raise.

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>he thinks the DMV and road fees will go away if theres UBI
jesus christ dude, lurk more

you are very inconsistent.

There's plenty of affirmative action jobs at places like the dmv

No you're just dumb, UBI would replace welfare leeches and useless jobs

no shit, the ridiculous thing is that you think those would go away if we just implemented one more welfare program. spoiler they wont. government will always grow in size until it collapses under its own weight. this is a basic reality repeated time and time again throughout history

pissbrain retarded communism only worth of ridicule

Lol that's a subjective ideological argument, you refuse to respond to the practical argument and instead revert to your doomsday scenario

are you retarded? giving people free money isn't welfare leeching. It is the the dumbest form of welfare. UBI gives people free money regardless of their income or social status, yes I know it is less costly to be administrated, but it does not create any value because no goods will be produced. the prices will go up

Ubi would be adjusted to inflation, no shit it produces little value neither does the current 'UBI' govt jobs

>the practical argument
theres nothing practical about what you're saying
nature is competitive and as such humans are competitive. you're saying that some retard who worked a government job their whole lives is just going to stop to "go start a business or something". Im sure a very small number would, another portion would just quit entirely, but as soon as they do, someone else will immediately fill that position because now their getting extra income in addition to their UBI so they can buy more shit because theyre competing with their peers for resources. And those positions would never, not in a million years be eliminated from the top down, since the politicians responsible would have to pay at the ballot box for "cutting jobs". You're attempting to do the same utopian central planning that the left does. It doesnt work, it never works, it cant work.

slavery

>Ubi would be adjusted to inflation
i cant believe i share a board with underage retards like you
>pay retards to do nothing
>more money in circulation, and more demand since now said retards have money to blow
>inflation goes up as a result
>welp looks like we've gotta raise UBI, gotta keep up with inflation!
>repeat until a loaf of bread costs 1 million dollarydoos
this isnt that hard

You're the retard. We already have UBI in the form of govt jobs and welfare programs without hyperinflation, it