Venezuela vs USA

Let's ignore any domestic issues and presume the US public is fully in support of this and Trump declared war.

US agents within Venezuela would immediately begin cutting communications, initiating cyber attacks and bringing down any communication networks between the government and the military of Venezuela . Misinformation would be spread amongst the troops to reduce morale.

The US fleet would position itself at a distance and begin using cruise missiles to destroy any AA or coastal defences. The Marines would then land, almost unopposed and set up beachheads. Airfields would be captured and the heavy equipment would be lifted in, unopposed as all AA has been destroyed . The tanks roll into the capital the morning after, Maduro is captured or killed and the conventional war is over.

This whole process would take about a week. Saddam had the fourth largest army in the world in the Gulf War, Venezuela pales in comparison.

I've never seen US fight in jungle before.

You're right war is a bit too much I meant to say conflict, and yes It would be cool to the the U.S. win for a change

It would be cool to see jungle war aesthetics on TV

We're too lazy for that. Can't we just have the CIA back whoever is anti government then sell that faction guns and wash our hands of it?

jungle war on 4k TV would be interesting change, but the US military might be not interested they got used to the sand and dust, they go to Venezuela they get Vietnam flashbacks.

At what cost though? Surely that would be just asymmetrical bullying. And over regime change. What if Putin and Xi decided that Manafort and Stone coordinating with the Russians plus the popular vote was enough to recognize Hillary as the winner? This is wrong, can't you see it? Why are you supporting this?

american here: yes i would, fuck those commies

That conflict would look worse than Vietnam. South American countries, Russia and China would too get involved. Best case scenario is to fuck off, US. You're not the world police, nor anyone other than your rulers wants you to be.

I honestly don't care one way or the other, I just want the news to be interesting and I'm sick of conflicts in the Middle East, jungle warfare would be an aesthetic change of scenery

Why not help the Colombians/Brazilians do it?

The Colombians alone would probably roll them, but with them and Brazil the takeover is done by people closer to who they are culturally and speak the same language (except for Brazil, but they'd have heaps of people speaking Spanish anyway).

Plus the whole thing looks like an intervention by local states rather than Neo-fucking-imperialism.
Plus it's not like they're invading because of the drugs...Afghanistan is the worlds biggest producer of illicit opium and the USA hasn't burnt the fields at all.

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It feels good to be the baddies ;-)

I wish more of you brain damaged idiots were honest.

Look at that burger's thought process: he wants fucking news to be interesting. Get out of your basement and make your own life interesting, you utter loser.

>venezuela is a shithole
>america invades and overthrows government
>civil war, guerilla violence, drug cartels and daily crime in venezuela intensify x100
>american troops start dying from random causes
>massive protests in u.s. aimed at troop withdrawal
>next american president elected on promise of pulling out of venezuela
>america pulls out, venezuela stays a shithole, america achieved nothing except a few thousand dead american servicemen

Another great American victory. Mission Accomplished fellow magapede!

Woah dudes chill out i just wanted to discuss war scenarios with other autists on the Internet

What's hilarious is the congress that is cockblocking trump on the wall, which is actually needed for national defence, will probably eagerly fund him to finance another unecessary (((intervention))) abroad.

Good question! Are there Jews in Venezuela?

Maybe they could do a Korea where each non-President gets his own country.

Here it is and you can take it straight to the Bank!

>Fahrenheit 9 11 1984 George Orwell final quote

youtube.com/watch?v=-3JrW0rYbbs

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If you blinked you might have missed “Just (Be)Cause”.

Invite pls

I'm curious to see how US military would perform in new map/server. I don't think they will go for it, avoid it at all cost, desert Warfare is comfy for them.

>all the Brazilians join because the server is right next to them

>war scenarios
Yeah I came across a raccoon half dead in the road with its guts hanging out and I swerved my rental to run over its head. In that moment, I felt what it was like to be truly powerful.

Our president its a sephardic jew

You should checkout Americas invasion of Panama its a verry similar scenario to what might happen now

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We must invade and grab all the juicy Venezuela cute brown Lolis. I saw a children's show there and all that cute small butt AGHHHHHHHH.

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Any comparison to Vietnam is so ignant it's laughable. First, Venezuelans aren't going to be tunnel nigs, 2, it's right next door, 3, they're hungry and tired af. If we sent a battalion in we could conquer their whole country and if we sent them with food we would be welcomed with open arms.

Huebros What r you waiting for?

American military looks much more hard working, sweating, in jungle than in desert. In desert they look relaxed, walk around like one walks in mall.

USA. Minimum of 3 Mill refugee to USA.

You want invasion or not, yes or no?

We are already supporting Guaidó. If shit hits the fan we got your back bro

America sucks.

I want Venezuelan qt too, when will they refugee to middle east?

>Saddam had the fourth largest army in the world in the Gulf War, Venezuela pales in comparison.

Saddam had the fourth largest army in the world positioned in a wide open desert without the ability to preserve air superiority. It was a turkey shoot. Even in combined arms warfare, cover and concealment is a game changer.

Venezuela is a whole different ball game. Also, let's not forget that Saddam's army, aside from Fedayeen, was based on a very brittle command structure where people rose in rank based on their ethnic and religious affiliations rather than skill.

On the other hand, Venezuela has been fighting an insurgency for decades, has very competent and experienced command structure, experienced cadre and experienced soldiers.

Fighting that kind of enemy in the jungle, where you are on their turf and playing by their rules will turn a conventional war into something orders of magnitude worse than Vietnam. Do not be naive.

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USA, with the most technologically advanced military the world has ever seen, savior of our European asses in WWI and WWII, and global police, would end it in, oh, 48 hours.

>Who would win in a war?
Obviously the US you really think we are going to let them keep the largest oil reserves in the world?

There is no way in hell the Chavistas win a conventional war against the Americans. Best case scenario for them is a decades long insurgency that eventually gets them back into power, though mil technology has improved a lot in the past decades so insurgencies against modern and capable armies have become suicide missions basically.

We can start a slave market. The old style you know

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thermals and NVGs render that advantage obsolete, just like the desert was supposedly impassable in '91. The insurgency in Venezuela has been over for a long time now, enough for that institutional knowledge to leave. Also tactics that work on backwards hicks probably wouldn't work on the world's most advanced military.

The fact you called Vietnam a conventional war means your entire post should be dismissed.

When Vietnam did go conventional with a few battles, the US won with ease. Vietnam only dared to engage in a conventional fight once the US withdrew.

Venezuela would win.
First the US would "topple the regime" through a civil war.
Then it would import hundreds of thousands of refugees.
The refugees will then breed out the Americans.
Victory.

>CIA blowing his cover

>Who would win in a war?
We would, obviously. We crushed Iraq's military and government in 3 weeks, and Iraq had the 4th largest military on the planet at the time.
The real problem is, would we want to engage in "nation-building", or would we just overthrow and hand the government to the opposition? Personally I don't want to occupy the country for decades.

It'd be Vietnam 2.0 except the Spics are a thousand times more violent. You'd see 56% Amerimutts getting skinned alive.

This 100%.

vellus hair on the female butt hngggg

That's why we need the wall, the Mexicans can have a taste of their own medicine and accept all these cool brown refugees

There is a great grass-roots class war erupting and the Enemy of the masses are named with their residential addresses and their balance sheet on full display...and the Serfs are fucking Biblically pissed off beyond belief:

>Yellow vest protesters clash with riot police during 11th week of protests

youtube.com/watch?v=n-bMm8L8gwM

>ECUADOR: AUSTERITY PROTESTORS CLASH WITH RIOT POLICE

youtube.com/watch?v=1x4zx8WvWd4

>Protests in Brussels turn violent as Yellow Vest demontrators hit the streets

youtube.com/watch?v=SvmJ5ZAUz1Y

>Israeli forces fire rubber bullets at Palestinians during demolition in WBank

youtube.com/watch?v=W6tDBJKu3iI

>implying the US would stay longer than a week
look up Panama and Grenada fro once ya nerds, the US military would only stay long enough to oust Maduro then promptly fuck off

ayy lmao

>thermals and NVGs render that advantage obsolete

Not under a thick jungle canopy it doesn't.

>Also tactics that work on backwards hicks probably wouldn't work on the world's most advanced military.

My guy, a bunch of sandal wearing savages has taken the most advanced military in the world for a 10 year long joy ride, not once, not twice, but three times by now.

>The fact you called Vietnam a conventional war means your entire post should be dismissed.

I said that it would turn a conventional war, into a much more sever Vietnam situation. Here, let me simplify it for your since your reading comprehension is that of a child.

> Conventional war => Vietnam

> Vietnam = unconventional war

Hence,

> Conventional war => unconventional war

Better now?

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At least the spics aren't relegious fanatics who would love to die for Allah, honestly once they start to starve they would surrender immediately

mfw USA invades Venezuela

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We should do it just to find out

We’re not sticking around if it came to a protracted conflict. Think Libya again but minus the Jihadis. Thankfully Venezuela has some political leadership not associated with Maduro, so there would be something to rise up and restart without the US having to do everything for them. Wait another 20 years and we’d have a major issue finding any leadership left in that country, then we’d be fucked.

I'd shave her properly for the customers.

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It would never happen, but just to amuse you...it would be embarrassing. It's like asking who would win a fight between a grown man and a child. Venezuelan girls are smoking hot, so if they were giving it up to soldiers I would enlist today and be on the next flight out.

>What would be the best case scenario for victory?
Amerishits get fucked by guerilla armed by Russian and Chinese weapons, protest in homeland escalates, everyone is pissed, cuckservatives, cause body bags are pouring, democraps, cause aggression against socialist ally. Protestors protesting against each other, then some provocation happens and one of the protests turns into a bloodbath. Everyone looses their shit, USA is collapsing, civil war 2.0, every country in the world intervenes, World War III starts.

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OP did not ask "what would happen in an unconventional conflict with Venezuela, assuming the people even want Maduro which is highly suspect"

Serbians and their Anglophobia always amuse me

honestly that sounds really kino

The real QUESTION is what will happen if some other country (Russian China etc) defend Venezuela, will the Monroe Doctrine become active ?

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OP asked what would happen in a war between USA and Venezuela. It would be a brief conventional war and then a decades long insurgency.

I'm sorry if actual reality doesn't fit your narrative, which was based on two and a half History channel documentaries about Gulf War.

As for Anglophobia, I don't fear the anglo, I pitty them.

As much as I would think US wins and as far as we've come since Vietnam with drones, those trees might speak spic.

Men win if they don't lose.
Women lose if they don't win.

Venezuela would win, but the US knows they would lose and would never go to actual war.

If you honestly believe they wouldn't drop their guns and run, you are naive.

>who would win the war
Investors in MIC, defense contractors, international oligarchs etc.
NATO will almost unquestionably dominate to the point BRICS doesn't have incentive to invest in conflict, however it will have still be a waste of time and money given NATO forces will have to be taking back what was already "theirs" and won't even be enslaving pillaging etc in the end.

If you honestly believe (again and again) that you will waltz in there, that they will welcome you as saviors and liberators, you are naive.

For starter there is still a whole lot of people there who support Maduro (fuck me if I know why, but they do). He has a very firm grasp on the military, which would stand by his side for a while. Once you come in and fuck shit up, capture/kill Maduro, you will make a martyr out of him which will spawn all kinds of insurgencies.

It won't be Panama 2.0. It will be Iraq 2.0 with boosted AI and a shit load of awesome mods.

You obviously have no idea what Americans would face if they set foot in Venezuela...

Nothing Personal, just business. Less red-tape with Venezuelan and Russian contracts.

>Executive Outcomes

youtube.com/watch?v=01I5GdAhBDU

Political/Economic stability has a price.

>best case scenario for victory
Well, Venezuela is a shithole, so I really hope they think twice before assuming we are going to treat them with the dignity nations that sit on oil reserves have.
>implying basically every case scenario involves incredible brazen brutality and strength- the likes of which haven't even been teased since desert storm granted the lack of a conventional foe.

SHUT UP YOUR UNDER AGE SHIT HOLE.
They same shit people used to say ab out Iraq and was a walk in the park. Money talks. ALWAYS.

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I could definitally see an insurgency if the US removes the Venezuelan govenrment but it could look like Libya where the us helps out in the coalition and then fucks off (which I think was a bad move since Gaddafi literally did nothing wrong)

> that they will welcome you as saviors and liberators, you are naive.

What the US does best is not armed aggression but brainwashing.

>Fuck down the Maduro
>Occupy the whole country
>Take away all its wealth (like Oil reverses)
>Control the media
>Tell them how evil Maduro is. Show them the evidence (probably fake)
>All brown monkeys hate Maduro and see us as saviors.
> Then Venezuela becomes the destination of American sex tourists.
> Fuck their mom, wife, daughter with several dollars.

Feels good man !

Drug cartels survive because they get the same legal treatment as any other citizen. You think some porky Hispanic faggot with a gay mustache will still want to run a cartel if he has to hide in the jungle for years as an enemy combatant instead of living like a king

Based Venezuela would not only win, but counter attack and destroy the American Pigs at home. They would invade us and take over the country.

That is an astute prediction my man

Malaka, you're drunk again.

You either push in alone and get bogged down for a decade, fund the insurgency within the country thus fueling a long civil war, or form an alliance of neighboring nations to do the dirty work for you while you provide air support.

Best case scenario the north of South America is destabilized, worst case scenario US is dragged into another war. Either way, I got pop corn ready.

> Panama and Grenada
those are tiny countries

It would be Panama. South Americans are nothing like Muslims. Your suffering from recency bias cause your whole life has been war against jihadists

Lol, it would take at most 48 hours for the Americans to completely gain control over Venezuela. And they probably would not need to shoot anybody in order to do it.

But the US does not need to intervene directly in Venezuela to topple the government. All it's needed is for the US government to tell the Venezuelan generals to either get rid of Maduro, or face getting their bank accounts sized all over the world, and that will be it.

>non-Pre
There hasn't even been a shot fired and he's already been de-Presidented.

You are naive as fuck. Our counter parts will do the same to control the "key factors"

They will greet us as liberators

They are starving. We can get anything we want by just sending food. Opps. We don’t want anything from Venezuela.

I mean, any fool off the street can declare themselves the president of Venezuela. That doesn't really mean much unless that person has full control of the judicial, executive and legislative branch of the government, not to mention the security apparatus and the military.

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Yeah Afghanistan and the middle east are really peaceful and quiet places now you fucking idiot