/leftypol/ Leftist Politically Incorrect 2 - Zizek Edition

This is the official far-left politics general. Come here to discuss socialism, communism, anarchism or even simple social democracy.

> What is socialism?
Socialism is the idea that workers should be in control of their own labor. We believe that the capitalist profit motive naturally falls victim to contradictions. Instead production should be organized by the workers directly for use.

> What is socialism not?
Socialism is not when the state is in control of everything, even though many socialists have identified the state as a sensible tool to use. Most radical socialist ideologies aim for the eventual abolition of the state in its entirety.
Socialism is not the idea that everything should be free.
Socialism is not the idea that everyone should be equal. Harder workers may deserve more compensation. We only believe people should be equal in access to the means of production.
Socialism is not when you place the collective above the individual. Workers are expected to overthrow the present order because of their own material interests.
Socialism is not radical liberalism. SJWism is an outgrowth of corporate liberalism and not of genuine radical politics.

> What is your relation to the socialism of the 20th century.
While we recognize the tragic failings of previous socialist experiments, we also understand their successes. We believe we can improve on previous socialist projects by incorporating better guarantees of democratic liberties, and using the tools of the digital age for better economic planning. Material conditions are what determine the outcome of a socialist project, and socialist nations last century were not sufficiently developed to successfully transition into communism.

[This thread has been established by the people of /leftypol/ to further a prosperity of content in both our communities.]

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Reminder, the preservation of culture calls for the extermination of capitalism.

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>Eric Hobsbawm
>corruption of (((Hobsbaum)))
>father's birth name before changing it was ((((((Obstbaum))))))
Why am I not surprised?

Also fuck off with your garbage

Someone post the picture of the /leftypol / mod wearing a wig and sucking a dick
Yeah we know about you faggots.

Discussion question: How come the people who assert the brilliant qualities of the white race always lack these qualities themselves?

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>leftism
>political incorrectness

No such thing.

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>alt-righties
>supporting the establishment is the most politically incorrect thing
ok

Leftism is authoritarian statism and philosophical gibberish.

city-journal.org/html/clown-prince-revolution-14632.html

Looks like something Oswald addressed. Guess capitalism and the state marrying on the latter ones terms is a win-win.

The guy looks like some drauger hobo last time I saw him in Maximarket. Drugs ruin lives kids.

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It's always the case. There's a reason these people congregate on anonymous image boards.

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based
top general
zizek will destroy kermit

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Reminder that the only real communism is White Communism, and the day after the revolution comes the day of the rope.

Doesn't Jow Forums hate these neo-nazi and profligate types? Both 4 and infinity chan variants that is. The real question is if you are ashamed and disgusted by pic related or not.

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>leftism
>A thing

I think you confused sjw liberals

Continuing a discussion from the previous thread:

Nationalists seem to honestly believe that there's no vested business interest in mass migration and that capitalists do it because they're "xenophiles", and that even if they lost money importing foreign labor they would still do it because they seem to just love foreign culture so much.

Do any Jow Forumslacks disagree with this statement?

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take lessons from the master leftists

@dannyocoulson
alignable.com/aledo-tx/coulson-and-associates

Reminder that the first ones to get the rope are low-IQ interenet racists.

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Ah yes, I know the rich cultural traditions of Appalachia now. The symphonies of people dying of black lung due to the coal dust being kicked up by automated miners, the moans of the thousands starving and freezing as the state imports jobs abroad for the interests of capitalism, the artwork of the roads left with a million potholes as the state administration passes more and more business welfare programs as profitability comes to an end. Truly the state preserves culture so well.

Jow Forums hates everything that reminds them of themselves. All of cringe culture is a way to externalize insecurities. This is transparent to anyone with the smallest amount of social intelligence.

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*Ahem*

COMMUNISM NEVER WORK

WORKER SHOULD BE FREE TO ASSOCIATE WITH ANYONE

THE STATE SHOULDN'T BE INTERFERING IN THE MARKET

COMMUNISM FIRSTLY MADE BY JEWISH PEOPLE FOR JEWISH PEOPLE TO ELIMINATE RUSSIAN FOLKS

COMMUNISM IS SO GOOD THAT OLD COMMUNIST COUNTRY HATE IT !

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>/leftypol/

>Nationalists seem to honestly believe that there's no vested business interest in mass migration
There is clearly a vested interest in mass migration by multinational corporations. Many people on this board recognize this. Your statement is fucking retarded.

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>he doesn’t know where political correctness comes from or what it is

Political correctness is a leftist philosophy you nonces

>due to the coal dust
Those guys got to retire in about 20-25 years of labor here, it was a must get job, so really no use pushing this retarded false ethics shit. You also seem to want to live like the tribals do and did, which died from an broken bone. Feel free to live like those savages. You are also presuming that capitalism is and should be left to do as it pleases, very sad.

>the working class has no nation
>global revolution for worldwide communism
Red filth loves to lie.

That's why Steve king gets the entire congress on his back for saying whites exist while Kathy Boudin, Bill Ayers, and Angela Davis all have jobs. Who ever says white nationalists are in control should commit suicide to rid the world of their stupidity.

Haha now the leftists are trying to distance themselves from the SJW culture they created and blaming it on liberalism?

No no no. You don't get to distance yourself from this. It's the left incarnate and now you recognised it was unbearable far too late for us to sympathise or absolve you of the blame.

Nope. You niggers just can't stand the fact that the greatest socialist state to ever exist was made by Aryan racist anti-semitic former nazis.

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Speaking of socialism why do you faggots hate Hitler for?
Is it because his socialism actually worked or is it because he didn't kill as many people as the commies you faggots love so much?

Newfags really do ruin it all, as do you.

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>Reminder that the first ones to get the rope are low-IQ interenet racists.

You want to target and kill black people now?

Total brainlet screen cap.
People worked jobs before pop culture and the structure of modern society. The spastic user there even recognizes it. Why did those skilled laborers exist? To earn a living. They weren't doing it for fun. Those skilled tradesmen passed their craft on to their children to continue the family business. It was their way of life. They weren't working for free, they weren't spending a dozen hours every day sweating and suffering because it was a noble thing to do.
Labor in exchange for resources is innate to human existence, and will arise no matter what.

Having a stable means of exchange isn't the issue. Having private property isn't the issue. Being able to purchase luxury and convenience isn't the issue. Jews are the issue. Ethnic struggle is the issue.

Racism is based on stereotypes, stereotypes exist for a reason.
There shouldn't be a left and right, the solution hides in the middle. Jews need to be gassed and society rebuild with values from both sides

Socialism only works in white ethnostates with marginal results.

you bell-cheese many on the left were for free speech and still are
You're confusing middle-class SJW NEO-LEFT twats that zizek hates

The left is not some homogenous group-think monolith. That's liberals masquerading as le socialists until their trust funds mature

bravo maduro! bravo socialism! viva venezuela! gj lefty friendos

>his socialism
He went with mixed economy which is common with fascist and nazi (Iraq) states. He did clean house regarding the commies and socialists tho.

Bulgaria knows whats up

Yes, it is a concept derived from the Soviet Union, but supporting the establishment is literally the most politically correct thing to do within the purview of the word itself. As such, this place is the most politically correct board for the US establishment.
Oh yeah, all of those wonderful health benefits they don't get sure help with that retirement.
>projecting your nihlistic fantasies of primitive living onto me
uh ok?
>culture = nations
pft
Also, you will never be "in control". You are tools used during periods of crisis for capitalism, and set aside else-wise.
>they weren't spending a dozen hours every day sweating and suffering because it was a noble thing to do.
I'm sure everyone just labored because it was a noble thing to do, not because they needed to if they were to survive. And they worked so much that no culture ever existed ever, because they had no free time because they were just so proud of working.

Please, think before you speak,

I’ll just leave this here.

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This. They are the party waving a positive banner that we all could easily unite under while being the most surface level judgemental idpol driven fucking assholes I've had the displeasure of mistakenly trying to dialogue with anywhere out of earshot distance of when their emotions begin dictating the logic of their statements and their voice goes up as ethos appeals fall on the deaf. Ironically enough as a tranny I've been more welcome, accepted, and comfortable among right leaning people who I thought would fucking hate me because they seem like they have less genuine bottled up hate in them and more banter capability.

Again, you don’t know what Political correctness is and you haven’t read in to it.

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Are there any leftists who acknowledge the pernicious influence of jews on society, or no? I know abby martin is really anti-israel, and redpilled on topics (until she gets peer pressured into backpedalling as with what she has said about 9/11)
She criticizes israel all she wants, but the moment you suggest JEWS might be responsible... For the actions of the JEWISH state, youre branded a bigot.
Am i a bigot for saying japanese bombed pearl harbor just because not ALL japanese thought it was a good idea? No.

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Imagine the smell!

Ancaps brougjt it upon themselves when dissing UBI and protesting in ancap colored fluo vests for 100 euro extra croissants.

>unironically believing in "hollywood nazis"
How are you so easily swindled by propaganda?

Americans aren't human.

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I disagree with it.

They want cheap labor. They figure the savings is more than they will spend to live in a gated community and hire an extra accountant for tax avoidance (due to increased burdens on the welfare state).

Bonus points for cheap lawn care, cheap domestic help, and easily corruptible government.

Capitalists who sell out their country should get the rope too.

>he thinks this board is the same as the r Donald

Pol is not one person, you retard

>literally arguing that people work for pride
Think before you speak, brainlet.

You're completely detached from reality if you think abstract social values motivated humans more than hunger and comfort. You're probably one of those /leftypol/ trannies.

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of rebolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you

all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable

from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as

beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

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Every man is a capitalist, the real problem are Neocons that fit in this group. Jewish boot lickers.

>not my comrad
There is not a single leftist organization against transsexualism, mass migration into white countries, or the preservation of any white ethnicity in its homeland. No a single one from democratic socialist to Marxist-Leninist-Maoist. We're not confusing you with the neoliberal, we're making educated statements based on observations. As much as you try to distance yourself from the globalist shills you will always be on the same side against white nationalism.

Not an argument. The disbandment of nations is a Marxist concept. One global human race under a state that will never actually be dissolved like you say it will.

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>Are there any leftists who acknowledge the pernicious influence of jews on society, or no?
Yeah, Karl Marx.

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sadly you basically are
I was making fun of your shit argument brainlet
>nations have always existed forever
epic my dude

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>living like trappers who inbreed and form small ansambels
>not primitive
Aha

>health benefits they don't get sure help with that retirement
How is getting retired 25 years sooner and dying ~10 years sooner bad? You are literary left to live as you wish to, sponsored by the state. This is the dream of many people and is why it was a wanted job. Damn stupid primitive cretin.

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understand that everyone anti-establishment talk about the same enemy with different rhetoric.

i say bankers and liberals. you say jews and, well liberals,

i would shake the hand of a nazi or strasserist who has firm and steadfast believes over any slimy liberal ones.

know that we talk the same.

>memeflag
>probably american
>americans aren’t human

Show yourself, memeflaggot

What's your plan to stop shitskins from being ethnocentric, since you do nothing to stop immigration, and/or openly encourage more of it?

Every nonwhite regime is de facto ethnocentric, even the leftist ones. The neoliberal and woketard left also support and coddle nonwhite ethnocentrism, and they represent the majority of the left. When nonwhites outbreed whites in our own country, you "logical" Marxists (white male Marxists), won't have enough numbers or power to change the zeitgeist.

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Do you have something to do other than writing 9,000 word blog posts on praxis and attacking nationalists in the streets?

'Cause some workers unions would be nice.

>Socialism is the idea...
...that never works in reality. Unless you're the crook in charge, then it works great for you.

>Socialism is not...
...any of the things you say it is. Unless words don't mean anything.

>...successfully transition into communism...
Imagine writing that unironically.

what was that kike going to teach them?

>The disbandment of nations is a Marxist concept.
Never heard of it. Sounds like a confusion of internationalism and the withering away of the state, neither of which are against the continued existence of nations in any meaningful way.

How do I become a gymnast? Your flips and twists have excellent form.
That user has been on point on you and you reply to what seems like common sense with incredibly detached from reality reassured by yourself logic.

His economy was great and would've put us in a better place than today where we exist to serve the markets.
But thats the difference between a dictator that loves his country and citizens, and a 'democratic' government that loves their pockets lined with lobbyist and foreign interest shekels.

you can try not posting literally all day

>Never heard of it
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state

>american
>indoctrinated into thinking capitalism is the best of all possible worlds
color me surprised

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No. This is a well-known media meme. It's doubtful you've met these people time and time again in normal life. This is just the regular media image of 'white supreeeemists'.

The other factor is that there is, admittedly, a certain demographic immune to doxxing and imprisonment as they have nothing to lose.

Leftists and globalist neoliberals suppress the white proletariat's desire to be nationalist, by literally censoring their speech and demonizing them.

Neoliberals and Marxists are bestest pals.

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>SJWism is an outgrowth of corporate liberalism and not of genuine radical politics.
Why don't I believe you, you disgusting tranny faggot. It's not like you leftists lie and use fronts to protect your interests or anything.
youtube.com/watch?v=_qr6Xfn7gV4

>it's literally impossible for someone to enjoy their job and do it for fun and not the money
this is your brain on capitalism

yeah, I've got no doubt Marx himself was pretty based; I wonder, honestly, what the result would be if his vision was achieved. His followers today just seem too lazy to create their own society from the ground up and, instead, push forth the notion that they need to tear down old institutions to do it.

Like, seriously, if you believe in his ideas that much, then start you own shit instead of trying to leech of what already exists.

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Why would a Communist be against demographic displacement. Race isn't real, user! The only struggle is class struggle!
Destroying the concept of whiteness is just furthering the cause of equality!

Communists will never in a million years come forward and fight to keep white homelands white. They don't believe in the having any distinguishing boundaries between people. They will refute and ignore objective scientific data on race because it conflicts with their religious dogma of equality. They'll say that race is just a construct of Capitalism, and they'll keep regurgitated their corporate approved PR message of tolerance.

>I-i-i was being retarded ironically
No you weren't. You're just genuinely retarded.
You post the most low IQ take against basic commerce that one would come up with, and you can't make a single cogent point to support it.
Trades existed not because of any form of government or social structure enforced them. It is a facet of human nature that will always exist that necessitated their existence pre urban development.

Yep, he probably would have, he had a great economics minister. Doubt the system was that grate, as the swedes found a far better one, the only problem came after they introduced the welfare state and invited niggers.

What's it called when one person or small group owns 90% of everything?
That's not capitalism that's for sure.

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VERYTIME
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EVERYTIME SINGLE TIME!

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>falling for casuistry
youtu.be/oIuW-vNQsQI
Please watch this docu.

>There is clearly a vested interest in mass migration by multinational corporations. Many people on this board recognize this. Your statement is fucking retarded.

Except there being a vested business interest in mass migration negates the whole point of there being a secret conspiracy of Jews and Communists out to kill White People as the businesses are doing the importation of labor all by themselves. If you really believed that, you would talk about fighting capitalists rather than the "Jews" spook.

Ditto for your post too. This is how the capitalist system works, no conspiracy is necessary.

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>nationalism is a spook
>stop judging people by their national origin
>stop being racist

>>I HATE THOSE FUCKING WHITE AMERICANS SO MUCH!!! REEEE!!!

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The withering of the state idea is fucking retarded. Marx was good on economics, but shit on historical prognostication and political/power theory.

Trade = / = Capitalism. Capitalism is a unique development of the means of production not being owned by those who work them, which allows for the consolidation of power by a ruling elite based on the theft of the value of one's work, which they then take as profit to ensure that the can rule over the proletariat indefinitely. Communist governments will still do commerce, but they shall never allow for the existence of capitalism, which is inherently oppressive and disenfranchising.

What's it called when that one person or small group that owns 90% want to exact more control over a nations resources and people?
Oh, yeah. Socialism.

How to come to a consensus? How to take collective action against common enemy (of mankind, who they call, including marx, descendant of many generations of talmudic rabbis, 'goyim')

And stay out.

Nobody here gets banned for saying the “wrong thing”, so no. We’re nothing like plebbit.

Meanwhile at /leftypol/, you get permanently banned if you hurt trannies feelings, violate their safe spaces and disrupte their echo chambers.

neo-liberalism is the most extreme form of capitalism ever.

marxism is an analysis of history via dialectical materialism.

can you elaborate on your claim that these two people that have hated eachother since conception, can ever be in the same room together.

Again, not an argument. why shouldn't I fight in my national interest against globalism or international socialism of both promise to sweep my race and ethnicity into the dust bin of history. You can't even come to terms with the fact that Marxism means no nations and as such no cultures. Just one heep of working humanity, separated only by their occupation.

Marxism and the National Question. The withering away of nationalities into one single homogenous blob. Tell me, in your Marxist utopia will there be races and ethnicities like before? Aren't those just dividing the working class against itself?

Modern commies are generally so detached from reality that they think the servers from Starbucks, McDonalds, and WalMart are the “proletariat.”
Newsflash: people in the service industry are a charity class of people, where businesses generate a small amount of profit employing otherwise unemployable people to do mindless tasks.
They aren’t the proletariat.
In fact, if all the McDonalds, Starbucks, Walmarts, etc of the world disappeared tomorrow, nothing would happen. Society wouldn’t collapse. Productivity wouldn’t crash. We would just have more poor people.

youtube.com/watch?v=FseddRl1WIg
>On Ayn Rand
>'She is an Embarrassment'
>This person of her group failed and is representative of everything wrong with her ideas without me pointing it out

Fuck ZIzz-ek.

>The withering of the state idea is fucking retarded
True, but it is the end goal of communism, which is by its own definition "a movement".

Niger go back to reddlt

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>when you realize the United States was secretly communist since the 1950's

>Except there being a vested business interest in mass migration negates the whole point of there being a secret conspiracy of Jews
No. It does not. It is because jews, internationalist, and communist sympathisers are in these positions of power that the destruction of nations and borders can occur. Look at every NGO and GO preaching for mass migration, littered with jews and leftists. The media? Also littered with jews and leftists. It's not so much of a secret conspiracy as it is most people don't realize it. Do a search of Olof Aschberg.

>If you really believed that, you would talk about fighting capitalists rather than the "Jews" spook.
Pic related you fucking imbecile.

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You say that as if we're not ban evading right now for not supporting Trump or whatever e-celeb is your current fixation.
>why shouldn't I fight in my national interest against globalism or international socialism of both promise to sweep my race and ethnicity into the dust bin of history
Because nations, races, ect are all constructs that have no basis in reality, and only continue in their proliferation because the capitalist class sees it as useful to their interests. If they so wished, they could snap their fingers and nationalism and mention of races could be made illegal tomorrow.

>import lower class
>lower class needs social benefits
>votes for party promising benefits
>rinse/repeat
>rising costs

What demographic in America do you think that money predominantly comes from? Does it seem like whites are being brought down or the middle class?

>the businesses are doing the importation of labor all by themselves

Commies literally get out in the streets and screech and wail at the top of their lungs for more immigration, while waving hammer/sickle flags around, and try to physically assault people who oppose it.

The left sees mass-immigration of shitskins as a way to boost their poll numbers, and also punish "evil capitalist whitey". Neoliberals see it as a way of lowering labor, but feel that they can somehow still maintain control.

In the end, you both collude with each-other to silence and suppress nationalists. Example: leftist Antifa-type groups whites to big daddy (((Zuckerberg))) that Alex Jones, etc., triggers them, so he bans them.

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