Objectively speaking, is there anything wrong with communism?

No creation

Yes. It bases every law and policy upon the assertation that everything subjective is actually objective, especially monetary value, which basic Marxism tries to pretend is an objective physical property of matter instead of a subjective value that changes from one person to the next, and even one moment to the next.

>it does not account for human nature
Yes, I know this is the talking point your high school history teacher probably crammed into your nubile brain, but maybe "human nature" is overrated? And maybe capitalism isn't even a part of human nature, you've just grown up taking it for granted?

I mean of course if you're raised with specific values and constantly told that your values are "natural" then it kind of becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, doesn't it?

I don’t know rabbi,

If it’s good for the Jew and bad for the goyim, is it really bad?

#nukeisrael

Yes because I have something all humans have, ambition to do something more with my life.

Communism scatters ambition and the drive to become more than yourself to the wind. Under communism you are nothing but factory worker A working for sector C of agenda A. You are worker ID number 86248AC and you work on line B of factory 625 for the rest of your life. IF you are sick you must come. If you are injured you must come. Or you don't get paid your stipend and your family starves.

Communism is maximum government control. just like socialism.

>maybe "human nature" is overrated

What does that even mean, user? Human nature is a fact of life. Can't be overrated or underrated.

>maybe capitalism isn't even a part of human nature

Obviously capitalism in and of itself is not, but it does align with human nature (competition, resource acquisition, darwinism, survival of the fittest etc)

Yeah I'm not sharing the spoils of my hard labor with lowlifes.

I actually went to school with some of them. And while I ended up with a university degree, the lazy bitch next to me is dealing drugs today.

Fuck em. They had their chance. They fucked it up and I aint payin for them

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>And while I ended up with a university degree, the lazy bitch next to me is dealing drugs today.

and has more money than you. yeah, that's capitalism.

Yes. Communism objectively requires itself to be a dictatorship. It is very simple. You cannot distribute what you cannot rule over. So you objectively requires all the power to be concentrated on the Communist Party.

Otherwise, when you came to 'socialize' what is mine, I would simply tell you to go fuck yourself.

No, retarded. Capitalism is human nature. That's why the Communists went to all that trouble of the Gramscian Long March. They openly stated that they needed to change human nature in order to succeed.

You want some of my shit? Stay away from my shit, boy.

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Be careful. This is communist rethoric. Communists do not believe in objective truth. They will defend whatever idea helps them advance the cause, and even completely reverse their own arguments if that would help advance the cause.

And besides: The theory is completely retarded. The second you have an "equal" society and abandon power structures, you immediately make way for new power structures to form - simply because of what I already pointed out: Some people are lazy faggots while others work their ass off.
So in the end you will always need someone to keep up the equality, which will always require a hard authoritarian power hierarchy, which will always end up in dictatorship, which will always end up inflexible, which will always cause trouble and start killing people that just won't go along.
Doesn't really need any proof either. Happened before.

Or do you think Lenin WANTED to establish "NOT REALLY COMMUNISM" instead of communism?
Alternatively do you think the same was the case for basically all other communist leaders?
Those guys were the fastest to get that all that shit marx wrote doesn't really work out that well. That's why they had to alter the theory when they put it in practice. Lenin even wrote most of that shit down in "State and Revolution" I believe.

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Cooperation is much more important to human nature than competition

But who will build the foods?

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Shoo shoo, off to reddit with you tripfag.

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There is no state in communism. What you're describing is "just like socialism" because it IS (authoritarian) socialism, not communism.

>implying he didn't spend that money on stupid shit like more drugs and other garbage

No you are right. He probably has a reasonable stock portfolio running with that cash.

I mean a lot of what we assume to be "human nature" is really just social constructs. Monogamy is not "human nature." Capitalism is not "human nature."

>Under communism you are nothing but factory worker A working for sector C of agenda A. You are worker ID number 86248AC and you work on line B of factory 625 for the rest of your life.
Uh huh. And you're a small business owner making $300m a year, right?

The fact is that under Stalin, the citizens of the USSR had fairly similar working conditions to contemporary US citizens. A 42 hour work week (versus our 40), a similar life expectancy, higher QOL, higher income equality, a much lower homeless population, etc.

90% of what you think you know about the USSR is probably just propaganda. I bet you think Soviet citizens had to stand in line for hours to get their daily bread ration too?

>To each according to their needs.
Needs are infinite and continuously generate as the old ones get satisfied.

This is my biggest problem with communism. Marx's critiques of capitalism are fair, but instead of trying to correct the spiritual decay and loss of purpose that indistrialization and the commodification of culture has wrought, Marx doubles down on the spiritual decay by labeling any expression of culture as a bourgeois plot to make the masses stupid and easy to control.

Stalin knew this and went full nationalist, which made the communism pil easier to swallow because their purpose in life became the betterment of Mother Russia. "Real" communists are globohomos that endorse all the consumerism and nihilism in the present system, they just want to do away with money and let the people make collective decisions which leads to all the well known and oft repeated shortcomings of communism as it's been practiced IRL.

Globalism is communism's downfall. It might be worth a damn if they were all luddites trying to fracture society into small insular villages. Making a global society just compounds the likelihood that everyone in that society will be depressed and not give a single fuck about the greater good.

Yes, absolutely: It's not achievable. It's been objectively proved by the countless attempts at implementing communism throughout the world. Every single one has failed, and was not in fact communism. Thus, it is not possible to implement communism, and it should not be attempted.

That, of course, ignores all the other problems with how it would work in practice.

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Gonna leave this here.

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yes there is. it is a jewish ideology made to enslave all people all over the World.

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>I bet you think Soviet citizens had to stand in line for hours to get their daily bread ration too?

They literally had to though you dumb commie.

Don't even get me started on other goods like a car.
To buy a german trabant - one of the shittiest cars ever produced - you had to register and wait for 5 (five!) years.

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Gommies need to embrace globalism because they need worldwide gommunism.
As long as value of things exists true gommunism is not a thing, so they need one big government to enforce it so that they can reach their utopia.
thats why they want open borders and other globohomo things.

It's a spook

Imagine unironically thinking it's even remotely feasible to get everyone on earth on board with one form of government and one economic system

And THEN the whole government has to dissolve somehow, so all people in charge need to give up their power because thats the actual endgame.

Imagine thinking that this is possible. Imagine thinking that this cant possibly lead to negative outcomes.

That's not what Marx actually said. What he said is that citizens will become like cattle, and will not think in terms of government anymore because they will be alienated to think that it cannot ever be changed.

It worked fine.
>hurrr gommies killed people
Kulaks deserved it.

That was pretty much the case for monarchism for centuries.
It's not about being "on board". It's about what conditions allow a government to exist.

Marx was actually quite intelligent, and I believe that had he had access to modern data/was faced with the major problems with his labor theory of value he wouldn't come to the same conclusions.

>people with all the institutional power telling the poorest people in society that the second poorest people in their society are the source of all their problems
Kill yourself

A group of similar governments arent one government. Unless you're implying that the incestuous larger network of European nobility instituted a sort of pan European oligarchy.

Communism is incompatible with humans. This is why so many have been killed.

Giving all of your money to the government to dictate what they do with it?

Boys, we're getting the wall.

Seriously. Commies think the government will use their money to advance mankind? How many times must they learn their lesson??

>Muh kulaks
Back to leftypol faggot

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Stalin was a faggot and liked little jew pus. Gas yourself

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Dear princess, have you ever asked yourself why you are interested in Communism? There are gazillion of much more interesting things in this world, but for some reasons your brain decides to focus on Communism. Why ?
If you manage to answer this question honestly (which, as you will discover, will be very VERY hard) -- you will get all there is to know about Communism...