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Do russians ever have evidence about anything ? Why do people always believe the ruskies but muricans are always held up as oil grabbers and what not . muricans are corupt , ruskies are saints . Why is that do you think ?

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Like the fucking Russians were able to stage missles anywhere.

The russian stereotype. Idiotic retardation with a 65 IQ.

Read the fucking document instead of relying on some 'narrative'.

Because Americans lied many more times, launched many more wars for oil, repeatedly neglected everything in order to grab something, leaving piles of corpses in the process. Your reputation is that of a liar, bully and tyrant. Get used to it.

Same as ruskies . its the same shit but
> we are good guys , believe us .

Lol this retard

It's because we ARE the good guys. ;)

And vodka is non alcoholic, right?

You were saying...

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Because americans have been proven to be liars, with ruskies you know what you get.

No . you are making a moral claim that muricans are Satan childs , but when ruskies do the same is justified. That makes you an hypocrite. If you dont see that you are brainwashed . Im from EU so im unbiased when it comes to russia and murica . And i can see that both countries , morally, did some wrongs .

What the fuck does that even mean you stupid faggot ?

You forgot to quote the part where he specifically wants a hypersonic IRBM developed. Cuba to Washington in 2 minutes.

Putin play an excellent defensive chess strategy. Move for move. always equal reaction to action. You make moves in Ukraine/Maidan, he moves into Crimea. You make moves in Syria, he moves into Syria. You station missles in Poland, he stations nukes in Kaliningrad. You develop new aircraft platforms, he hits production with n new main battle tank...and on and on it goes. Always with the potential for the American side to make mistakes, while Putin only strictly follows a reaction formula, save defensive play...
Right now he has all his flanks secured and the ball is back in the US's field ready for them to make another blunder, with their internal civil conflict still always looming.

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It means that you don't get a free pass anymore.

Russians are pussies when brought up with confrontation, it's hilarious

The Russian stereotype is drunk off vodka, the American stereotype is fat and stupid.

With what money?

Ok I'm lost between role-playing as a die hard nationalist and having a balanced opinion (that is useless on pol anyway). Of course we did some 'wrongs'. Take perspective into account, though - wrong to you is right to us and vice versa. Either we are all brainwashed or there is no universal moral standard.

that or all russians are faggots

Thats fucking smart ruskie . you are a smart one . thats deep and thoughtful . unironically. I will think about what you said .

I don't know why people think Americans are responsible for ending the treaty, Russia and China have been openly developing hypersonic missiles to attach nuclear warheads to for the last 2 years

It's not that you make a good presentation of yourself by posting 5-word messages spewing insults, kid. If you don't have a point, don't post anything.

It's not always the ideal strategy, Ukraine being a perfect example of how it results in wars of attrition.
It works well from Russia's current position as the underdog since he can't do much more but it also leaves his allies paying a higher price. Ukraine is a shithole, Syria will take years to recover, Venezuela has been suffering for years. You never see these issues in Europe or other US allies since the US is always on the offensive.
The long term viability of his tactics will depend on how quickly the West degrades, how quickly Russia can catch up and how much the US loses with every new attack it starts.

With the money the Russians make by exporting energy and weapons, they do an excellent job of getting max value within their means.....Meanwhile the US side is pissing away billions on useless ventures. If the US had a leader of Putin's calibre, you would get more bang for your buck. But you see, as soon as Trump tries to do that he gets hindered by his own deep state

Unintelligent russians need not post.

Im still fucking amazed by that
self-awarness . these fucking faggots on /pol will never understand that . they all NPCing .

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You shouldn't confuse allies with pawns. Venezuela is a pawn of Russia at best (more like a pawn of China') and America shouldn't make the mistake to fall for the trap again, by going into Venezuela and being tied down in a useless trillion dollar venture again. Syria is a Pawn/ally hybrid, but if they wouldn't go with Russia, they would be ISIS territory by now and it's not like that would be a good prosperous position.
From my view Russia only has these allies at the moment: China, Iran. That's it and it may not stay the same forever, China is an opportunistic cunt for sure.
>The long term viability of his tactics will depend on how quickly the West degrades
Right now it's a war of attrition that the Russians are winning. My own city is degrading into third world shit every day a bit more

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Big talk from the Russians, we've been mocking your shit country for the past few years now, you keep saying you're gonna do something.
You gonna bark all day little doggy, or are you gonna bite? XD

This website has made me soft. The last thing I want to do is go to war with any country (whereas previously I just looked at it as an inevitable evil and was pretty indifferent). I know people exactly like me, just under a different flag, are caught up in disputes that really have nothing to do with them. You will be made to risk your life for no other reason then to prove someone, someone you don't know, someone who has taken advantage of you, your friends, your family, and entire life, who is actually your true enemy... you will be made to put your life on the line to defeat some shapeless ideal that sits across the table from them. Someone else's quarrels that you have no wager in will cause me and you to fight each other to the death. I used to be ok with that, but this site really made me realize we have the same enemies.

If this shit gets messy, best of luck to you and your loved ones.

>If the US had a leader of Putin's calibre
by turning the US into a bigger shit hole that it already is?

I don't think so badly of this audience. A lot of intelligent potential here is lost to format of "discussion", where nobody will read a long post and everyone will choose a funny meme instead of having an informed and rational opinion. At least that's what I see when it's night time in US.

Are you blaimng the russians for the state of western american occupied europe?

All this "freedom" bullshit is whats killing us. It brings feminism, open borders etc.

I say, lets have an alliance with Russia. The change in mindset that would bring, would be worth it alone.

Fucking retard, Russian won't do shit, we've been calling them scumbags accusing them of crimes, and all they can do is release butthurt statements of threats and obvious RT propaganda.
Manlet clownboy won't do shit

Putin is literally destroying US in every geopolitical aspect

Americans are literally seething

It's pretty suspicious as soon as Trump pulled out of the agreement he started talking about renegotiating it. What if that was part of the plan all along? Now he can renegotiate the deal with even better terms for Russia, to the detriment of the American people.

You need to realize something user., we pulled out of a NUCLEAR TREATY with the largest tactical rival of the U.S. since the end of WW2.

Putin isn't doing anything. This narrative that Putin is some kind of genius is put forward by Russian bots in order to make Russia seem more powerful than it really is. Trump is the one destroying the US. Don't try and claim this as some kind of Russian victory when it's not.

> Right now it's a war of attrition that the Russians are winning.
Lel, we stagnate for fifth year in a row. We're not units in a strategy game, we're humans who, in the end, won't trade personal will being for some distant shithole. People here are getting poorer every year, and as far as I can tell the resentment grows and a demand for a change of ways is in the air.

You still need to keep your pawns happy at least to some degree or else they give up and join the opposition.

I want to agree with you, but you're being naive. You think the Russians think this way? Hell no, they've been raised from birth to be suspicious of Americans. I'm not worried about us starting a war. It's pretty obvious Trump just wants to use the threat of a war to encourage negotiation, which would be fine with me if it weren't for the fact that I think the Russians might actually want to obliterate us. I mean think about it, they have nothing to live for.

The US turns into a shithole by becoming white minority. You need a big calibre leader to turn that around and fast
I don't blame Russians at all. And an alliance with Russia would at the moment be indeed preferable, when the alliance with the judeo-americans means that we will be genocide in 1 or 2 generations, by muslims shit. Not saying that Russians are saints, but right now we face extinction under the zog sphere
True, your economic position is your only weakness right now. If you don't get that into order, your next best chance is to tank rush yolo into central Europe. and the scary thing is that your chances are the best right now in this time window before the EU army rises

>>"Russia will not station intermediate-range weapons in Europe or other regions until similar US weapons appear in those regions," he added.

We have F-16's capable of dropping nuclear bombs.
And just this week we're upgrading them to F-35's with similar nuclear abilities.

Doesn't that qualify as "intermediate range"?

You would really stab us in the back to follow in Putin's footsteps? Why?

why is russia so intent on protecting Venezuela and Syria? They are just being nice I'm sure.

I'd like to add, there's been videos of Russian anti-ship missile movements, they just flew their best bombers over the coasts of CA and the US, then this shit happens. Now think of all the other Russian v. US bullshit that's been happening.

I know there's been a vicious war going on on the web between all sorts of forces for ages, including Russia and the US, but fucking hell, talk/hacking is one thing. Pulling out of the treaty was a terrible move.

They've loaned Venezuela so much money that the Venezuelan people are basically their slaves at this point. They don't want us to free their slaves.

Shut the fuck up brit you live on an island smaller than manhattan

>I mean think about it, they have nothing to live for.
Who do they blame for that user.? Who made them the common enemy to form NATO?

I don't know, care to inform me?

because US deep state meddled first. no one should meddle, but they did it so Russians must protect their interests

I really hope Putin and Trump are sitting behind some closed doors in their boxers eating McDonald's drinking Vodka with a bunch of Russian hookers peeing all over each other collaborating against the (((media))).

That's ridiculous. What interests could Russia possibly have that far away from its own borders? They should stay out.

just like US deep state in Ukraine

Right now, under your sphere of influence we will become minority Germanic in our own land within the next 2 generations. Just like yourself, following your footsteps. Personally, I would stab you in the back and ally with anyone, even Congo niggers if that means my country, my blood, my people can be saved from your diversity madness.

Both are about controlling oil deposits. And Venezuelan thing is going to be a disaster, I think.
Planes are not as fast as rockets and therefore are easier to shoot down. The speed at which the rockets travel make them very dangerous. Also you need an airfield for a plane, but you can hide a rocket with a launching device in a standard maritime container.

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The US never asked you to do that, that was your own fault.
Whataboutism isn't an argument, friend.

This, I bet the dudes from Kremlin have new jokes about dumb mutts every day with their morning espresso.

The same can be said about Americans by a Russian. We really have much more in common than we like to think

i know it isn't, i'm pointing out US deep state hipocrisy

what the fuck are US agencies doing in other sovereign country? cowboy business, lawlessness like usual?

Putin loves muslims, and surprisingly he is a jew who loves other jews. Wheres the biggest mosque in Europe...? Thats right sergeivich

>and Muslims
Always wondered why russia was pro muslim countries and China.

The Soviet Union was supposed to be in NATO

So the USSR dismantled itself on good faith.

The USSR was pushing up on Western Europe (just like NATO is doing now to Russia)

There was an unannounced missile launch Gorbachev didn't act on.

Russia has been playing nice for a long time. We're pushing them around, and mutual destruction is the only option the allows them to compete. We just pulled out of a nuclear treaty with them. I believe START is the last of the 2 we have.

This is a long time KGB strategy.
Project strength when you are weak.
Protect weakness when you are strong.
If the BestAIDSniggers aren't saber rattling, then you'd have to worry.

With that, I hope and pray everyday for a fucking huge global war where the US sits back and watches the world burn.

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Drown in your own vomit Rusky

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>The US never asked you to do that,

Gastarbeiter.

>The first guest workers were recruited from European nations. However, Turkey pressured West Germany to admit its citizens as guest workers.[1] Theodor Blank, Secretary of State for Employment, opposed such agreements. He held the opinion that the cultural gap between Germany and Turkey would be too large and also held the opinion that Germany didn't need any more laborers because there were enough unemployed people living in the poorer regions of Germany who could fill these vacancies. The United States, however, put some political pressure on Germany, wanting to stabilize and create goodwill from a potential ally. West Germany and Turkey reached an agreement in 1961.

>as a result of political pressure from the USA.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastarbeiter

One glorious image of Putin deserves another.

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>us sitting back
your deep state is stirring shit worldwide for decades

Russia is incredibly multicultural and has millions of Muslims, far more than the US or Germany. They're not the nationalist defenders of the white race you think they are.

what are you talking about us make mistakes? It sounds like putin is one step behind everything that America does.

> (You)
>>us sitting back
>your deep state is stirring shit worldwide for decades
Hey Goran. I got to bomb you in the 90s for the lolz.

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Why buy a ton of missile tech. from Russia.

Eithergermany dies or makes an alliance with Russia.

We dont'survive another 50 years as an american "ally" with "muh freedom".

Russia respects us and we respect their strength.

The US never respected Germany. It's just another collection of colonies.

Russia will take over all of Europe as soon as it gets a chance. You don't understand the mentality of Russians, they can never have enough territory. Why do you think their country got so big in the first place?

>Russia is incredibly multicultural and has millions of Muslims, far more than the US or Germany. They're not the nationalist defenders of the white race you think they are.

Im pretty sure thats because how much conquering the russians had to do to get all their land, and the muslims are mostly descendants of the muslims in the kagnates and the hordes that were prescent on the caucasus.

Do you really think that? Russia is damn near insignificant compared to the US on any tangible scale, but they are in a position (because of nukes and oil) that allows them to interact with us on our highest fields of play. It's like the US negotiating with (no offense) a suicide bomber at our dinner table.

If the mighty krauts became so cucked by the mutts that they cannot abolish some shitty gastarbeiter agreement from 60 years ago then just neck yourselves.

>
>Russia will take over all of Europe as soon as it gets a chance. You don't understand the mentality of Russians, they can never have enough territory. Why do you think their country got so big in the first place?
We can only hope. The EU deserves the biggest AIDS epidemic outside of Africa.

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Meanwhile the US has bases in near 100 countries around the world.

You won't miss one less country.

>Russia respects us
Wrong. Russia doesn't respect anyone other than itself. It's the same with all these Eurasian land empires.

>mighty krauts

Said noone for the last 70 years.

Because the people of those countries want to be defended from Russia and China.

> You don't understand the mentality of Russians
Neither do you. Like, at all.
> they can never have enough territory.
Everything alive wants to grow and expand, but fuck we don't need to and Poland and dead with uprisings again
> Why do you think their country got so big in the first place?
Just like your manifest destiny, our ancestors moved east because they could, until they hit an ocean.

With all empires, rather. You sound like your Crown knows the meaning of the word "respect"

> To annex another Poland and deal with uprisings

Quite obvious the eternal anglo wants to strike between a german-russian alliance.