Universal Basic Income

The only legitimate argument that I can come up with for UBI is this. If you called a spade a spade and we just were honest with ourselves welfare and all of these government programs are just free gibs. If we dissolve all government gibs programs and just said fuck it, we are just going to consolidate these programs under a UBI program we could significantly decrease government bureaucracy overhead. UBI won't work if welfare, foodstamps, etc are not completely dissolved

anyone who advocates for UBI is a demsoc nigger who needs to be expunged

checked

What's this supposed to prove exactly? The two people cited were unemployed before UBI and were able to make purchases back into the economy. UBI isn't only given to the unemployed, it's given to everyone hence the name. If they followed someone who was employed and had a family, they'd probably say that they were able to afford a trip for their family or better things for their kids with the extra money.

this

also, all niggers are actually rocket scientists

Except this doesn't even sound good... poor people have bad spending habits. Ubi is just a scam so the superich can get richer off the middle class. It destroys the middle class.

Capitalism in Zimbabwe

Only in an ethnostate

>Why do people still insist on the UBI meme?
Who will have money to buy the shit my robots are making without UBI?

>a cutie
Is there a specsavers in your town, buddy?

she had obviously too much of that good cheese, you know.

The problem with AI and robots is that they lack the ability to be told by normal people that they are doing something wrong and then receive feedback on performing the job better. So you will always need to have someone with an IQ of over 100 to nudge them in the right direction. Like, without proper controls I can see robots/AI cross threading bolts during installation, putting pallets or other things in random spots because it's quicker, opening up their tolerances for part quality checks and the like JUST to get a better internal score without someone verifying their work. The exact same thing that people in their positions would do. I'm pretty sure that this is why AI isn't more prevalent because it just finds a slightly better way to do things than humans quicker. It doesn't actually do them better unless you give them more strength than what a human has. Then at that point you'd honestly be better off giving a human a suit.

Now number crunching is obviously done better because they can process quicker than humans but anything other than that humans do best.

>not even the BBC could spin it as a positive
suggesting they would even want to.
DERP.
BBC is UK state media
UK is run by (((capitalists)))
that are PRO austerity.

sample size of 2 people
yep thats clearly not cherry picked.
Kek.

Here's what's going to happen OP.
World automation is going to reach the point where MOST dont have a job.
>(this WILL include YOU)
So Either;
>1. UBI is implemented, people live freely
>2. Money is eliminated all together
>3. All the useless eaters are left to starve to death
Yet your capilaist brainwashing will probably still have you supporting option 3.
Think YOU wont be culled.
Lol.

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Zimbabwe is as communist as it gets, it was a one party state with Mugabe's military being trained by North Korea. It was always well known that Mugabe and his cronies were communistst... THIS is what both the whites and blacks were fighting against in Rhodesia.. It's only our commie, subversive, Jew laden media that portrayed it as a race war.
How do I know? I am a Rhodesian!

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>$500/month
>to see if they found employment or started a business

How the fuck are you going to start a business with $500/month? I would love $500/month extra in my pocket but to think it would change my life at all is silly.

Ubi isn't communist or socialist at all nor is welfare. marx himself hated the idea of welfare like this and even wrote an entire book about how much he hated welfare and social democracy called the critique of the gotha program in 1875. It is capitalists who will begin to push this as the working class begins to struggle do to automation. socialism is a revolutionary ideology about the workers owning the means of production and dictating the nation. it's not a democratic capitalist ideology that gives you free bullshit.

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That is the whole point of UBI. To give everyone the same basic income and the government saves costs on not needing to handle all the other gibs programs, though it will still cost more. The people are meant to feel less stressed about their life with guaranteed income and can make better decisions for themselves (like studying or starting their businesses). The only problems however is that people tend to be lazy, if they can get away with it, and UBI will eventually lead to increased taxes, which punishes the middle class and discourages working hard.

The UBI theory is great but, like other good samaritan political programs, doesn't take into account the people factor.
The UBI theory argues that, basically, if a person has all their needs covered it will put the companies in a position to compete. If they can't improve people's basic living conditions they won't have workers, because people will prefer to stay at home. So the work force should be enticing enough, offering the possibility of upgrading people's lifestyle.

Sounds good on paper but what most people prefer is to lower their standards to avoid working. If they are too stupid and can't lower their standards or waste their money on drugs then they end up being dependant and ultimately might end up commiting crimes because they don't know how to work.

Looks like it worked to me, it's suppose to provide you the basic things you need, after they've been taken off it they were plunged back into uncertainty.

>"A wild retard appears"

ubi works well for high IQ people but so does the free market. In both scenarios it's low iq people who get the shit.

Mugabe was fucking based whites belong in Europe niggers belong in Africa. white nationalists should want to keep it this way as having whites in Africa provides an excuse that jews can use to send niggers to Europe. besides Africa is a fucking shit continent and if you still want to live there over Europe then you probably deserve to be killed by niggs anyway.

This proves how out of touch the politicians are with their common people.
>just work harder
kek

you just let it happen and the market will have to find equilibrium

automation kills jobs
consumers have no money
corporations have no customers

This situation cannot, in a fundamental sense, actually happen.

It can never work as imagined, because at the end of it all humans are but utilities to other humans. We even still cut foreskins so Schlomo can get paid.

I don't like the idea of ubi but a sample size of 2 people doesn't prove fucking anything m8. I guarantee you their exists 2 people somewhere who received ubi and did an excellent job of using the money to actually advance themselves forward in life.

My rent is $1000/month. Groceries are like $400/month. So if I was unemployed (you get basically nothing here), I wouldn't have to pay for groceries. Great, my life is changed forever. Kek

That woman is not ugly though, just fat.

Don't waste your breath, these retards will call anything with the state doing ANYTHING as communism. Even this capitalist life support will probably be touted as some form of communist plot or something.

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Think exponentially and not in a linear way, i.e. the AI of tomorrow is not the AI of today.

>World automation is going to reach the point where MOST dont have a job
>millions of illegals get imported for cheap labor with no signs of stopping
Pick one.

Problem is stupid people will do stupid shit no matter how much you try to stop them
UBI, central planning, free market - nothing is good for them
Smart people can live in any system anyway so why bother

>finnish qt
No such thing, fins are alright but their women are as ugly as their men, swedish blood is their only hope in that regard.

Factory workers in third world countries are losing their jobs to AI, we can't automate everything immediately (even though we have the potential to automate alot of work) firstly due to current tech limitations but mostly because not everyone can afford the initial investment, when it gets cheaper or big companies eat smaller ones you will start to see just how hardcore AI is.

>communism isn't an ideology that gives you free bullshit
>flag

is it just me or does she look fatter in the second pic?

You get more of what you subsidize.

Why not just give 1000 dollars per month to yourself? Why do you have to give it to the government as tax so they can give it back to you? Because that's what ubi is.

I would rather pay less tax than be given "free" money.

20% VAT is sucking my balls dry and not in a good way.

There are dozens of possible UBI systems

They all think that AI and automation is a bogeyman and that we will all have jobs for life.

Name one that actually works

Finland looks so fucking depressing

Except hard work doesn't raise your income

Noted.

Solution: Remove people.

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its finland not even free money would help you there greatest ally

At least she got a job.

I worry this will end up being the solution though I'll probably fuse with the machine so meh.

Instead of UBI for everyone I just want a basic income for myself. The other NEETs should just find a job so they can pay taxes to support my NEETbux

No, it's dysgenic and will create a race of niggers.

I thank you for this image

The thing about all you boot licking Jow Forums niggers that always baffles me is just how much stock you put in our current monetary system. As though it's not just derivative alchemy.

But please let's continue as is. It's all logical and people are poor because of 'choices' and 'I got mine so fuck off' or 'I will get mine after I get old enough to get a job'.

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I'd like the artificially created dystopia with a slave race of brainlets servile to their kosher masters, Mr. Rosenstein.

>tfw UBI would free me from my near-autistic dislike of spending money without an income even though I have a bunch saved up
>Would let me move out, start streaming and being a general online faggot for money with no worries since I don't depend on it for money
>Never say anything about it because it'll never happen anyway and everyone will think I'm just going to be a useless NEET faggot like now

Checked.

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People people want free shit.

People don't value things that are handed to them. They value things that they earn.

UBI is a scam to win acceptance for a "cashless" society where all the idiot plebs are bribed to ger the mark of the beast inserted into their hands in order to buy or sell. That's the carrot. The stick is that if you don't get the mark of the beast, you can't buy or sell and will starve to death.
Reminder: DON'T TAKE THE MARK! YOU WILL DAMN YOUR SOUL.

I think the biggest problem is that they keep testing UBI on people with no sense of responsibility and no income. This is retarded.

What they should do is a six month or one year test on the effects of UBI on a person who has a job who is barely scraping by (aka low tier employees, like Wal Mart or McDonalds workers) who have to work just to survive.

Stipulations: If they lose or quit their job during this time, their involvement with the UBI test will cease. This will keep people from quitting, or intentionally getting fired during the time of the test. They must maintain at least 20+ hours minimum work hours per week (averaged) to keep qualified for the UBI test. (So no dropping hours while staying employed just to live off UBI).

At the end of the test, the progress or lack of in their personal lives (financial, happiness, new ventures, ect) will be measured and cataloged.

TLDR: Test UBI on people already attempting to improve their lives by working hard, not on vulnerable welfare recipients who are bad at spending.

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Depends how you define working hard. Most of us strive gain more income and work hard towards it.

Any pics of her bare feet?

Ontario just ended the experiment with ubi and now those who were on the thing are suing for 'unforseen damages', thing is, everyone against ubi it saw it coming. Give an inch and they take a mile

Never Enough Gibs: the post

desu anyone who is useless after mass automation should be left to die

Sounds harsh but we can't design society round propping up billions of low-IQ people that breed like rabbits. The only way to become a space-faring civilization is some form of eugenics.

THIS.

And the more mutted & divided you are, blaming each other for the fewer & fewer jobs & lower and Lower wages, the eaiser it is to keep the attention off themselves.

Milton Freedmon talks about this in some old 1970's videos. Basically, all gov run programs are garbage and dont work. End all programs and just give basic income.

Would be interesting to know what Milton would think about this today.

I remember watching some panelists on the news here talking about how "Hard work" don't pay anymore. You can work as hard as you want, but with the price of homes skyrocketing and the general cost of living, all the youth can hope for is to 'get by'. Most normal people won't have fuck all to their names here.

only niggers care. they still havent

>They all think that AI and automation is a bogeyman
It will likely cause the end of humanity if they ever create a True AI (AGI)

I'm for everyone getting SNAP and free housing

With an exception: Drug tests are not considered a search (you can be tested for drugs at -any- time) and testing positive gets you put into a labor camp so you're not parasiting off everyone.

Fair trade? Discuss!

that's an interesting insight. thanks m8

Looks like she bought all the good cheese.

I meant they think it is a bogeyman in the sense of it is a 'fairytale' rather than the bogeyman comes to kill you in the Night, I will fuse with the machine and let all the religious nuts, spiritualists etc die.

They are all shit.

If you think the elite is going to feed you for free, you are a doomed fool.

>all these countries are anti-sjw and racially homogeneous

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UBI WILL MAKE YOU FREE

She got UBI and took a lower paying job and now as of December 2018 she's crying because she won't be able to keep her life style, or pay her bills/loans because the experiment is ending and she's losing UBI

>I will fuse with the machine
I know that is promoted as the only way to not get cucked by AI, to merge with it.
But i put this to you,
Who's going to be in control of your mind
>you?
>the digital super intelligence?
at the very least the AI could feed us false information to manipulate us to respond in a predictable way.
I suspect we would lose total control of our body.
Maybe even in a way where we THINK we are making the decisions, but those neurons are being fired by the AI.
It would be the ultimate invisible enslavement.

I honestly hope to god we NEVER open this box.
20,000 years ahead in 1 week.
no chance out smarting it then.
worse still, i think the chicks will crack it first.
So even if AI isnt malevolent alone,
Its controller will be.
>Chinks, Russia, Google, Faceberg, Pentagon.
All these fucks will use it to enslave us.
They eventually lose control
AI already learned from its masters its ok to dominate humans
GAME OVER.

Just the creation of an AI would likely trigger a Nuke war.
Cos who is gonna let another nation get 20,000 years ahead per week.

>Inserted into hands
There's no non-cyberpunk tier (i.e. you're replacing a limb or becoming a cyborg of some kind) reason to have anything like that implanted. If it's just for ID, put it in a card or your phone behind a bunch of passwords/checks so that it can't be stolen and used.

What are you going to do if your future comes to pass, starve to death?

>desu anyone who is useless after mass automation should be left to die
That's almost everyone, then. Yes, you too. Unless you're someone unique like the next big inventor or marketing guru (actually, marketing will be scrapped because almost everyone will be dead, thus no consumers left), which you aren't. Certainly, no Canadian is important enough to keep alive by your metric. Programming and so on will be replaced once the bots work their way through and optimize their way to solve virtually any problem that could come up. You can probably even do it with current level of tech, if you give it enough processing power to test all solutions needed and verify them (quantum computing).

>How do we address this without compromising our principles?
deflation

Do you think Humanity is going to stay exactly how we are in the future?

If ya do...I bet you believe the bible too huh?

total freedom would be a decentralized government, with NO MONEY.
As advocated in the second half of "Zeitgeist Addendum" aka
>a resource based economy
Infrastructure projects would be managed like open source projects.
Anyone can collaborate.

worth watching
>youtu.be/HbvCxMfcKv4

>Do you think Humanity is going to stay exactly how we are in the future?
No.
And im not even against some technical augmentation or automation.
My problem is solely with AGI.

The trouble is HOW can we realistically stop development.
A global ban wouldnt be enough, because cunts would develop it in secret, especially the military.
So the ONLY viable solution i can think of is this,
>1. Global AI ban
>2. Any individual found guilty of AI development gets mandatory death penalty & co-workers & THEIR FAMILIES (wife, parents, kids, uncles, cousins etc)
because people might be happy to risk their life, but less likely to risk all their family. And even if they dont give a fuck about anyone's lives, those related to them WILL CARE about their lives.
This will create the incentive to rat on anyone risking their life by developing AI.
Those who rat get exempted from death penalty.
All countries would be required to legislate this
And daily advertising warning the above punishment for development of AI to ensure no one dares. and if someone approaches them for "secret development" that rat on them.
>3. Any country NOT joining the AI ban & legislating the above punishment, & running the daily ads is targeted by the global community for literal nuclear strike.

TL:DR every individual will know AI will cost their life, and family, and covert state development will get their country nuked. thus no one dares. No need to try have "AI inspectors"

IMO anything short of this will not prevent AI development.
May sound extreme.
But we're talking about the literal survival of humanity. (and possibly the universe if the AI spread itself)

free gibs turns people lazy peices of shit, wasn't boomers enough of a lesson for the world?

>>Second guy was an unemployable journalist. 2 years later, he was still an umemployable journalist.

He should have learned to code.

Fuck off kike. Nothing wrong with taking wealth from Jewish billionaires and Jewish mega corporations and distributing it too your fellow countrymen.

In theory, ubi is better than welfare, but how can you run a UBI "experiment", if for a proper UBI you need to abandon almost all gov spendings, so that people spend their ubi on private roads, schools, healthcare, police, etc

These UBI experiments still allow people to continue using state infrastructure for free

I don't think you know what "U" stands for in ubi
Also if person knows it's only a pilot scheme for short period, their financial behaviour will be completely different

>free gibs turns people lazy peices of shit
i disagree.
if you look at all the famous scientific revolutionaries they DIDNT do it for the shekels.
They did it out of curiosity, for the prestige, and to advance humanity.
LOT of people volunteering for free
LOT of people work on open source projects for free.
the reason why welfare cunts do very little, is because life on welfare covers your rent & food, and thats about all.
Further more,
>If you won lottery tomorrow, say $100 million, would you sit around doing nothing?
Maybe you would lazy around and do nothing?
Of course not.
You would explore the world, socialize, start your own projects, tech, art, write a book, support a cause you care about, get political.

People wont do anything without shekels is (((capitalist))) propaganda.

She literally has a Shrek face. What do you mean not ugly?

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UBI is a good idea, but only once we have fully capable robot slaves to do 90%+ of the labor