>Millions of US citizens in places like the US Virgin Islands have no federal representation.
>Candidates that receive less votes have won multiple times
>Puts more power in the hands of small, insolvent, and uneducated states and municipalities
>Incentivizes gerrymandering of electoral districts
>Rewards corrupt Democratic and Republican Party loyalists
Why is this still a thing? Can anyone defend it?
America is not a democracy.
They can petition if they feel like they're being taxed without proper representation
California doesnt produce shit other than the highest forms of cancer and blight on this earth
the flyover states feed not only the US but most of the western world
>They can petition
Not really. Unincorporated territories are taxed at a lower rate as a default but subjected to tariffs.
Maybe if you bothered to learn what goes on outside of the handful of "progressive" states, you might realize that you're giant fucking cunts.
Would you call Alabama an "uneducated" state?
If Colorado wants to give up Their electoral votes then they should just be transferred over to Alaska. We contribute more to the national GDP than any other state.
California's economy is greater than Russia's and 40x larger than Wyoming.
It would encourage session among smaller populated states which if we don't get a handle on immigration this could be a real possibility in 10-20 years if someone had the balls and a good armed following could do pretty easily.
Because the Democrats just want a popular vote, which would be the death of any political resistance in the country because the Democrats could just brute-force every election.
Last time I checked it's United States of America not United States of California.
land is valuable and without the consent of those inhabiting it to be governed, you risk losing it.
Goalpost shifting
>"progressive"
>"uneducated"
what is this meme speech? define your terms.
Why should we defend it, when you've made no effort to understand it?
>The Constitution provides that each state will have a minimum of one member in the U.S. House of Representatives, and then the apportionment calculation divides the remaining 385 seats among the 50 states. Congress decides the method used to calculate the apportionment.
>The method for calculating the apportionment has changed over time. The methods used through most of the 20th century have been based upon the use of a mathematically determined priority listing of states. Adopted by Congress in 1941 and used each census thereafter, the method of equal proportions also results in a listing of the states according to a priority value--calculated by dividing the population of each state by the geometric mean of its current and next seats--that assigns seats 51 through 435. The method of equal proportions is calculated according to provisions of Title 2, U.S. Code.
>For a technical description of how the method of equal proportions was used in developing the apportionment counts, see Computing Apportionment.
College educated whites, including women, went Trump... something the media and shills try to bury.
"Muh suburban retards" is a shill myth. Urban areas went Hillary ONLY due to their black and hispanic populations. The college educated vote demographics Hillary won was ONLY from blacks and hispanics. See pic related.
Hillary also only got 37% of the overall white vote.
37%
We are basically at a point now where it's white people vs everyone else (immigrants, blacks, jews, radicals etc.)
Just look at the demographics vs counties won.
It's time for any of that 37% out there to wake the fuck up as to what is really going on.
Time is short.
DEPORT ILLEGALS
HAVE WHITE FAMILIES
BUILD THE WALL/SECURE THE BORDER
The country can easily be saved if we do just those 3 things.
Do something about it, faggot.
See: >Puts more power in the hands of small, insolvent, and uneducated states and municipalities
Answer the question. Would you call Alabama an "uneducated" state?
How a bout Tennessee?
Because not including the electoral college would be like merging Congress. It would leave people in small state s without any say over their government.
the one on the left should say "people"
California actually produces the most agricultural products. However, that doesn't imply the elected officials from California would ever give a shit about anyone but the future illegal immigrants who will keep them in office.
Yet Californians won't give up the extra congressional seats they enjoy by having "sanctuary cities" with millions of illegals who net the state several extra seats.
>the death of any political resistance in the country because the Democrats could just brute-force every election.
1. Democrats profit from gerrymandering as much as republicans. look at Virginia's districts.
2. The Democrat party would lose its ability to reward loyalty as much as the Republicans.
I don't see how both parties wouldn't suffer to the point of them becoming relics.
Leave us out of this and sub in Mississippi. They are worse than us.
I don't know enough about Mississippi to prove the point using them. Sorry.
>uneducated states and municipalities
Libtard logic, you know these are the people that grow your food? Friendly reminder that you need them more than they need you
>Californians
>people
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Of course we can defend it. It’s stopping the democratic party from winning the presidency frequently. It was designed precisely to stop parties like the democrats from having a permanent stranglehold on the presidency by breeding voters on the welfare plantation, importing new voters, and allowing voter fraud.
Education (rate AND absolute number of HS and 4 year degree holders) of individuals over 25 are lower than average in Alabama. (2010 census)
Next you'll say why do we even have states.
No, they dont. They produce nuts and berries at a massive scale. If California produced as much as it consumed it would've seceded from the states already.
you'd be ok with states seceeding? or would you threaten them with violence to impose your will?
>agricultural products
cali produce is nasty shit east of the Rockies because it's weeks old by the time it gets to the stores, buy local.
Okay, so while you have wikipedia open, look up the towns of Birmingham and Huntsville Alabama.
Protip: One of them is nicknamed "Rocket city" and it's not for jacking off dogs.
While you're there, look up Chattanooga TN. Wonder why that was one of the first places to get gigabit Internet connections.
Want to know why nobody in the "flyover" states likes California, NY and the like? Because you're so far up your own asses that you don't bother to learn a damn thing about them and talk down to them like they're the resident retard while they're busy doing important shit that greatly affects your life without you ever fucking noticing.
States are fine, imo. The idiots can even keep their senate seats. I would only add Puerto Rico, Guam, Northern Marianas Islands, US Virgin Islands, American Samoa and Washington DC as states, but that's off topic/ not the point of this thread.
It's not about parties, it's about population distribution. Our first political argument was about how seats would be assigned in Congress. One group wanted seats to be dependent on state population, which the other group argued would leave most states without a say in Congress, effectively ending our democratic experiment. The second group wanted 2 seats per state, which the first group argued would leave them with too much power. The answer was a two chambered Congress, one with seats determined by population, one with two seats per state.
But the EXACT SAME question was present in how we elected Presidents, and we couldn't have two of them.
The answer is the Electoral College, which awards points to each state on a curve, making smaller states competitive in a Presidental race, while making it nearly mathematically impossible for the President to win without the popular vote. But nearly doesn't mean completely.
Without the Electoral College, California and New York would determine our presidents, which ever party they supported.
I bet its mostly chinese imports.
>Because you're so far up your own asses that you don't bother to learn a damn thing about them and talk down to them like they're the resident retard while they're busy doing important shit that greatly affects your life without you ever fucking noticing.
Quit projecting your inferiority complex.
>Cases of Birmingham and Huntsville
For every one of those there's ten hell holes and each have the same say under the electoral college system. For god's sake look at Roy Moore! He was endorsed by the Alabama Republican party for senate.
>Quit projecting your inferiority complex.
He says to a guy from the largest French speaking city outside of France who is currently living in the largest city in his country. Maybe it has more to do with finding "progressive" assholes like you disgustingly condescending.
You didn't know about any of the shit I just pointed out, yet you were more than happy to make a judgement call on them.
You know less than fuckall about the landlocked states and until you grow the fuck up you'll enjoy being served a nice big slice of humble pie every election.
But hey, if you want to talk about representatives from various states, I'm sure NY, NJ, California and their likes don't have any pieces of shit, right?
>Tyranny of the majority
Giving the majority that much power makes it too easy for the majority to dictate everything to the minority. Hence the House and senate split.
The whole point of the Govt was to make sure people could come to some agreement. The problem is that people in power to want to agree they want to defend there own power and the only way to do that is to pander to the base.
Basically we got to the point where the people that are running the country care less about people they swear to server and more about there own mobility and power in the congress. Instead of going back and telling people we need to make deals we get... well nothing.
Wanting to change things so the popular opinion rules just allows Politicians to be that much more room to pander to people without delivering meaningful change. For example, Cali hasnt been relevant in a national election in almost 20 years. Of course this goes for the small middle states as well. If you listen or read the news how often do you hear from the representatives of those middle states? How about Oregon or Washington?
The USVI is all niggers that Denmark abandoned on the USA.
We should deport them to Africa and build an ethnostate on at least one island in the USVI. The place is paradise and totally full of violent niggers on welfare gibbs.
>It's not about parties, it's about population distribution
It's about both, at least in the modern era it is.
>effectively ending our democratic experiment.
But the 10th amendment.
>Electoral College, which awards points to each state on a curve, making smaller states competitive in a Presidental race
Why do states need a say in a presidential election? They already have senate seats and their own stupid economies to ruin?
>mathematically impossible for the President to win without the popular vote.
It's happened over 3 times in US history.
>CA, NY will determine presidents
No, a plurality of people or the members of deteritorialized electoral districts would determine the president. Also, FYI Texas is the second most populated state, not NY.
Imagine if the EU had a president and all the countries voted for him through raw popular vote. Then America joined. You wouldn't like it very much, would you.
For the record, I think the presidential system is garbage in that situation. Only a parliament could serve such a diverse and divisive electorate.
Because it means one city with 100 million people is not as powerful as 100 cities with 1 million people in each.
It is specifically there to stop small powerful individuals from taking control of the majority of the country
feel free to move to low population state and level up your democracy
>California produces the most agricultural products
Have you been to California recently? Dead, abandoned farms everywhere, signs that say something to the effect of “we need water to grow your food”, etc.
But hey, at least they saved that fucking useless fish.
Yes. You have convinced me. Screw most of the country, they don't deserve a say.
California's Faggotry is exceeded only by its Spic-ism
Spics vote Democrat as a means of getting into the US. Once you've secured them a cushy seat watch their inner conservatism knock the DNC Jenga puzzle over.
The point is no culture or subculture should have such power over another. Would you want China or Africa voting on your behalf?
why are you too much of a simpleton to understand why you dont vote via direct democracy?
Without the electoral college, the us would devolved into mob rule. It's even worse than what we have now.
Each state should have 1 vote for president. That's what federalism is meant to be. If California doesn't like it, then they can split into several smaller states.
>inner conservatism
Yeah all we have to do is look at the conservative strongholds they fled to get here. Spics vote to get their families in and when they get enough in to secure a majority vote they vote for whoever gets them the most gibs
Thank you for a cogent argument.
1. It's not tyranny of the majority. I'm not advocating a specific replacement for the electoral college and there are options other than a straight up popular vote and doing away with the primary system.
2. The electoral college makes pandering to the base worse. Tribes and factions that should have no power or say are kingmakers in the current system and citizens united dark money makes it one billion times worse.
3. If loyalty to parties and donors is less rewarded then it follows that turnover would be higher and the "political class" would disappear
4. for your final point, see 1, i'm not perscribing anything other than doing away with the electoral college. No states, including CA, would benefit, but people would have more say.
I would predict that the % of people voting would increase, races would be more competitive, states wouldn't be any worse off, and presidents/ members of congress would have greater mandates.
>tfw living in WA
fuck
>Washing DC
>State
You do know the reason it's not a state, right?
Petitions by non-voting representatives of unincorporated territories are useless. Why do you think, for example, parts of Puerto Rico are still without power following the Hurricane more than a year ago?
It's a federal district, i know. It also has residents that aren't being represented at the federal level.
This is war no one cares about the Constitution so there is no incentive to rectify this. Did you know the Supreme Court reaffirm white discrimination but other groups are protected just a few years back.
oh, also, it has a larger population than Wyoming and Vermont.
Good
Then we could finally get some common sense progressive legislation passed
>mfw one of those large counties in Minnesota only has about 10,000 people
>no incentive to rectify this
Political polarization is only getting worse, regional special interest groups with dark money funding are king makers, identity politicians are encouraged in the current system, electoral districts have fucking uncompetitive "safe seats," politicians without a plurality of votes are your representatives, the politics of envy and punishment are the only things driving people to the ballot box since so many votes don't count.
There should be a revolution if you ask me. This should be a bigger wedge issue than universal health care.
why don't you just secede?
Articles of the confederation. You really should read and understand the country before you post. You are embarrassing yourself.
Spare me the envy politics memes, Gradsen flag. You would have more rights without the electoral college, not less. Are you really trying to stomp on the rights of American citizens?
>dark money funding
this is retard language for hating the idea that the Constitution allows anyone or group to produce a movie about Hillary Clinton's corruption during a campaign season
So suck it up buttercup. Some people hate running their money through official party coffers
>just secede
I'm a civic nationalist and wan the best for my fellow Americans, even the fuck-tard supremacists like yourselves.
How is filling up America and other western nations with low IQ niggers and spics helping any Americans, including the low IQ spics and niggers that are already here?
College educated doesn’t mean a fucking thing. I go to college at 28 after the military and I’ll tell you right now that those places are nothing other than indoctrination camps.
1. the constitution does not endorse dark money funding and citizens united can be repelled
2. your approbation for the ruling and dislike for Hillary doesn't change the fact that it is undermining American Citizens
you're obviously dumb. I would approve policies as a civic nationalist to keep you from immigrating to my country.
All 195,000 wyoming voters are citizens
Are you triggered, friend?
Can be get back to the subject of the electoral college or are you going to concede that it's garbage and continue your tantrum?
>suck it up buttercup
Found the liberal. Why aren’t y’all able to come up with anything original, ever?
California grows everything imaginable due to climate. The Midwest just grows corn, sòy and pigs.
In my backyard alone I have six fruit trees, and a garden, and I sell the excess to yuppies and hipsters in the Bay Area for a huge premium. I don't even like avocados or apricots but hipsters love giving me $3 per avocado or $4 for a pound of apricots. Hell if I could I'd sell them the brandy I make with my excess.
But in a year or so I'll be selling my house and moving up to Idaho. The overruling of prop 187 killed this state and I've finally been able to earn enough capital to get out.
>Puts more power in the hands of small, insolvent, and uneducated states and municipalities
California is one of the lowest IQ states in the country
Democracy is shit, and the Senate was meant to represent each state as it's own political entity, not the population at large. The Senate for the federal government we're originally elected by state senators, and it should really go back to that way again.
Alright, here's how I would replace it.
1. Deterritorialize and keep electorial districts and party primaries rather than simply having a popular vote
2. Have every district be assigned randomly so that every electoral district would have identical demographics (education, population, age, etc.)
3. States would reserve their 10th amendment privileges, senate seats, etc. the districts would only apply federally.
I would suggest you pick up a constitutional history hook and stop being retarded.
Seriously, how can you make this argument with a straight face, much less with sneering condescension?
You're basically waving around your historical ignorance like a flag.
Most people living in California are subhumans, no wonder their vote is worth less.
Do you think your vote should carry more weight simply because of more economic output?
Californians aren’t people.
>California is one of the lowest IQ states in the country
all the more reason to deteritorialize federal electoral districts
"Fixing" the senate wouldn't fix the federal government or US political culture in the current balance of powers of situation.
> pick up a constitutional history hook and stop being retarded.
I would appreciate you citing your stupidity properly.
i'm not saying that at all, see
Why should everyone's vote count the same?
And theres nothing any of you are gonna do about it;)
we should get rid of the constitution right now
right now while DRUMPF is in office ;)