Should I do it, Jow Forums? I know many of you have negative thoughts towards the Catholic Church but I feel like it is both my and Western civilizations only salvation.
Aside from that, is there another alternative to uniting European nationalists under one banner other than Catholicism? Would like to hear your thoughts.
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Faggot.
You should take the alpinoid pill
>Memeflag
Opinion discarded mate
The Catholic church never supported nationalism. They supported the ancien regime throughout the period of the French revolution and the new world order since ww2. European nationalists cannot unite around an organization that wants to flood Europe with "refugees".
Sorry, but the catholic church got chucked by the current (((pope))) evangelism and orthodox church (doesn't matter if Greek or Russian/eastern) have a better chance right now
No, they are fags.
Unless you're going to become a monk, there's no salvation. I don't take regular believers seriously.
Oh, and it just occurred to me that only Orthodox Christians visit monasteries (with monks living there) as a form of religious "tourism". Catholics don't do this, right?
Go Catholic but go Latin Mass Catholic or Ukrainian/Greek Catholic if any are around you. At the end of the day, no religion is perfect because while the Christian faith comes from God, its leadership on earth is men. Go to church in a language not normally spoken around you, read old books, lift heavy weights. This is how you become the Chad you want to see in the world.
Well some visit monasteries or pilgrim to important churches, but I wouldn't believe the percentage of them to be above 2
>I feel like it is both my and Western civilizations only salvation.
Feelings! wo wo wo feelings! I feel so Jewwie wo wo wo
Source on this? I cannot help but think the Catholic movement has somehow been (((subverted))) and that our current Pope is just a kike plant to advance the Zionist agenda
>t. Schizo memeflag kike.
If you really are serious about this, the most unbiased answer I can give you is become a Christian first, and pick a denomination (if any) later.
What does that mean? It means read your Bible, and let the answers it provides to you lead you to the church which you feel most resembles the values in that book.
Catholics do this pretty often. They go on retreats and so forth. There is a monastery near me that people will visit for a day or so to pray fairly frequently. It has real monks.
The church has always been an organization used to control the masses. Stop being a faggot and worship Wotan.
Thanks Polack
If Western Civilization is to survive, the Holy Christian Church must again awaken. Welcome home user.
>Worshipping a Pagan God
Sorry but I don’t like to LARP. Paganism is not near big enough to make any reasonable impact.
BASED
Gratias tibi ago
Reminder that there is no proof of jewsus except a historically inacurate book called Bible written by jews.
Nationalism = Lockean liberalism
>Paganism is not near big enough to make any reasonable impact
I would just like to chastise you with on line of thinking. You follow Christianity because its real, correct, and it actually happened. The amount of archeological evidence directly supporting events of the old and new testament is overwhelming
But the assessment of whether a religion has the potential for impact or not should never be part of your calculation; you are not picking a political party or a fairy tale to follow, but are chosing to follow something real
If you have any doubts as to the reality of the events, this guy made a pretty good summary of new testament evidence
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Yes
No, Catholicism is just as globalist as the US these days.
I converted, but it's important to notice that within Catholicism there is a battle between Modern Catholics and Traditional Catholics. Look into Traditional Catholicism and help us cleanse the Church! Then we can cleanse the mud people from European lands!
Based.
good goy
BASED BURGER ORDODOX :D
I am a conviced catholic and absolutely recommend you too convert. The traditionaI Catholic theology is wholesome and beautiful. I warn you however not to get disappointed in what you may find on the ground. It is true that the Church got cucked beyond what I believed to be possible. Try to find Latin mess and stick to pre-(((Vatican 2))) literature.
Documentary: Protestantism's Big Justification Lie
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Eastern "Orthodoxy" Exposed: Their Heretical Doctrine Of God
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Based.
But we have to cleanse our Church.
Well, since you are Dutch, how about the Spanish Empire?
The Pope Francisco is a fucking commie...
No
1 Timothy 3
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
>must be the husband of one wife, having children
Catholics and Orthodox teach the exact opposite.
This guy gets it.
is your goal uniting European nationalists? or is your goal to know God and be saved?
Pro-tip: Rome will not help you either way, but especially not with the second, as should be obvious
>Joining a religion for material desires
Catholicism is great, but don't 'convert' if your heart isn't in it, please.
The Roman Catholic Church has internally inconsistent dogma. It is an objectively false church. Do your research. Anyone adhering to RCC is either low IQ, uneducated, or so emotionally attached to their false church that they are able to overlook the fact that it is logically incoherent.
that's because you're not a Christian. If you believed the Bible you would know that salvation is a free gift rather than something earned by renunciation. Human beings can't save themselves; that's why God became man.
The path to God is more important than the road traveled to reach him. Just pick whichever road sounds best to you and then start your journey.
Join the Christian Orthodox.
We are truly BASED and REDPILLED.
all roads don't lead to God. Only one does.
I am already well aware of the current evils facing the Church today. I’ll let you know it doesn’t scare me off. I would rather see it as a motivator to get rid of them.
Thank you, brother.
BASED and REDPILLED
This.
If you're into kids, that may be your salvation...
if you're into a false gospel, wherein you remain in the driver's seat, and Jesus is like a spiritual coach, Rome--at its best--is your church
Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It explains the dogmas and the apostolic tradition that protestants neglect.
The catechism was written by UN tool John Paul II to push globalism, and it directly contradicts older Catholic teaching.
isn't the new testament apostolic tradition? or is it that Rome has something better than the New Testament?
humans came to the conclusion an economic monopole will be abused
but Catholics still believe a religious monopole is good.
THIS! Don't fall for modern Catholic bullshit! Go down the Traditional Path anons, walk the path of light!
With respect, I would suggest OP against reading anything besides his Bible, until he has read it through at least once cover to cover
How can one claim to truly know what Christianity is if they havent read the core book?
Read the Catechism of the Council of Trent. For Dogma, read Ludwig Oot "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma"
Jesus teaches though that a good person should be recognized by his good deeds
>e.g. Matthew 7,16f
While you cannot "buy" into the Kingdom of God with good deeds, sitting on your lazy ass and relying on your faith for salvation is a SIN
>you would know this if you wouldnt be a protestant heretic
Most people don't come to the faith having read the entire bible. Read One of the Gospels, follow Christian morality ad read more as you advance. This is how people have entered the faith since its inception. The apostles in Acts didn't hand out books, they taught, got people in community to worship together and read things at those celebrations.
Once Traditional Catholics gain hold of the Church we'll remove the muds...
Are you stupid? Show me where it contradicts Catholic teaching you dumbfuck
apostolic tradition is something that comes from apostolic times, documented by the early christians, prior to the Bible m8. That includes the Sacraments and Holy Mary/Saints devotion. It also explains the ecumenical resolutions such as considering Jesus a Man as well as Deity, a thing that protestants neglect to justify Sola Scriptura and Sole Fide
The Bible alone doesn't explain the tradition of the Church, nor it is clear about the sacraments of it. If he wants to become catholic it's easy to simply read the Catechism to get a general view than later read the Bible. It's not easy to realize the Sacraments from the Bible's teachings and the Catechism shows the logical reason behind it
Sure, but it is easy to read the nowadays catechism to get a general view
>feel like it is both my and Western civilizations only salvation.
>the ones importing the shitskins are going to "save" Western civilization
No. Christianity is a den race-traitors and reprobate
>The path to God is more important than the road traveled to reach him.
The road to God is more important than the path traveled to reach him.
Seek Christ, read the bible. Do not do religion.
t. retard
Catechism of Trent teaches false doctrine of created grace
so the new testament is not apostolic tradition? Where did it come from then? Didn't the apostles write the New Testament?
Also, you're saying protestants don't believe Jesus is God and Man? Or that they don't believe in the council of Nicea, Chalcedon, etc.? Are you sure about that?
a thoothpaste calling out memeflags...
its like a twilight zone
what is "created grace"? Do you mean "infused grace" versus "divine favor"?
Modern Christianity, perhaps. You don’t have to be a Christian per sé to know that corrupt minds have poisoned the Church.
I would like to learn more about traditional Catholicism, for I see it as a source of self-enlightenment and a powerful force (if collectivized) against the decadence of Western society.
Atleast I feel no shame in showing my flag, unlike the Israeli shills trying to subvert my thread.
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>"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
Says that Muslims worship the god who will judge on the last day. Even if you claim that muslims worship the Father (they don't), that still is inconsistent with prior Catholic teaching that Jesus is the judge.
Just one example, but there are many more. The Catholic Church is objectively incoherent and false.
don't you think traditional protestantism probably would have forcefully opposed the decadence of Western society if it still existed? Can you imagine Dutch Reformed ministers of the 17th century tolerating the decadence of the modern west?
The Bible was compiled to serve as a complement to the Apostolic Tradition that came since Apostolic Times, the bible isn't the end per se, to the point that it took like almost 5 centuries to be completed as we know today, and most priest didn't have access to it. The Christian dogmas and values that were presented by the Apostles are the Apostolic Tradition which also led to the development of the Bible
Yes, they don't. Even if some do believe Jesus was a man, they don't understand the logical conclusions that this resolution leads. As most protestants/baptists even neglect analogia entis, rational representation, to achieve the divine. Therefore they ultimately believe that Jesus wasn't a man capable of reason and solely a divinity, cause if they acknowledged this they would have to acknowledge the importance of Saints, Virgin Mary and the Sacraments of the Catholic Chuch
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The best way t learn is just to jump in. Show up on Sunday. Sit at the back, kneel when everyone else does, stand when they stand etc. Don't go up to communion yet, you're not a member. People come to Mass all the time, don't be self conscious about it and certainly don't feel like you need a masters degree in trad Catholicism before showing up.
Wrong, as you are putting a new context to Vatican II doctrine, Vatican II only acknowledges the existence of other faiths to the point of dialogue, but don't consider them as Truth and path to salvation
>but I feel like it is both my and Western civilizations only salvation
Having faith in God is about saving human souls, it's not about politics, God can certainly bless a nation, and save it, but God's grace is not about that, it's not about the physical but the spiritual, it's time for Jow Forums to understand this, having a faith is not a badge you wear because it fits your political beliefs, God's grace does not fit most of pol beliefs
That right there is one of the biggest divides between trad and novus ordo Catholics.
Created grace is the teaching that grace is a part of the creation. This teaching is in contrast to uncreated grace, that grace is not created
The catechism of the Catholic Church is infallible under the rules of Catholic magisterium. There is no spin. It flat out says that Muslims worship the God who will judge on the last day, which is blatantly false.
Perhaps. But I don’t align with the principles of protestantism. On the other hand, most people in the 17th century would oppose our decadence.
Btw, to those who aren't Catholics, you should still support Traditional Catholics. The Catholic Church is a major part of Western Civilization and it has gone corrupt from Modernism. The Church could seriously help us all if we get it Traditional.
Because that is true, Jews, Muslims and Christians all worship YHVH m8. What all of 3 of them divide themselves is if Jesus is the Messiah/Son of God or Allah is the Messiah or if there is a Messiah to come like Jews believe
The catechism is not infallible. Its a hand book to help priests teach people. There are no infallible documents, just declarations and those are made by the Pope or a Council in a very obvious and formal way. The Catechism repeats a lot of infallible things, but its not an infallible document.
*Mohammed is the Messiah
It is manifestly false that "protestants" deny the incarnation or that protestants deny the council of Nicea. Grasping the incarnation does have bearing on one's view of the sacraments, so I would agree that Reformed protestants fail to rightly understand the incarnation. But that is certainly not true of Lutheran theology, which has a higher view of the sacrament of Baptism than Rome does. Meanwhile, it's also simply false that protestants don't subscribe to the ecumenical councils.
The reality is that the New Testament is absolutely "apostolic tradition." It refers to itself as tradition--something handed down. It is not only part of the tradition of the apostles, it is THE tradition by which everything that claims to be apostolic tradition is judged. This is the way the early church used it, and this is how the apostle Paul taught that it should be used--Galatians 1 "If anyone teaches another Gospel than the one we preached among you, let him be anathema."
Martin Chemnitz wrote a 6 or 7 volume critique of the Council of Trent in the 16th c. In the first volume he refutes thoroughly the claim of Rome that its supposed tradition is higher than the indisputable apostolic tradition found in the New Testament. You should read it.
By the way, the entire New Testament canon was written prior to the end of the first century. We have almost no writings from any church fathers in that century, and few from the next.
Make sure you know what the "principles of protestantism" are before rejecting them; go to the original sources.
"there are no infallible documents"--this is Catholicism now? This is sub-Christian
I honestly don't know much about Lutheranism, I know that are certain sects that believe halfway what the Catholic Church believes
>By the way, the entire New Testament canon was written prior to the end of the first century. We have almost no writings from any church fathers in that century, and few from the next.
Well that is the point of the Apostolic Succession, to preserve the knowledge and tradition of the Church, including the Eucharist and the Sacraments. There is a straight line of successors since Peter. And if anything it appoints that those who have written the next centuries show that this tradition was preserved by the succession. And it is blatantly wrong to assume that the NT is the ultimate guide of that tradition, as Peter and the 12 apostles were alive when Jesus was on Earth
lutherans have the lesbian bishop who wants to remove crosses
Excepting of course Sacred Scripture and Creeds etc. I meant books like the catechism which are compilation of teachings, not the dogmatic statements itself or Public Revelation like Holy Scripture.
based and salvationpilled btw
Yes! Start by prayering the Our Father, and Hail Mary prayer, they're easy and once you know them you'll never forget them. Get a Catholic Bible, if you want commentaries that's up to you but make sure it's a Catholic Bible with Catholic commentaries. Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church too, the other catechisms like the Trent catechism and the catechism of the St.Pope Piux X. Also please start watching some Catholic videos like Fulton Sheen and E. Michael Jones.
*God be with you OP and God bless.