Ive heard stories about men meeting women in public and they're able to pull them away for sex. Setting aside the interracial meme, ive heard stories about white guys doing it. Parties of course But ALSO casual places like walmart, the theater, mall, customers at their job, even fucking their bosses wife, etc. > Whether its impromptu like a blowjob in the bathroom, sex in the car or actually taking them home. > They don't know the women at all, like met him 10 minutes ago and shit like that. > even married women except they might just do a blowjob instead of actual sex
HOW do these guys tell that a woman is even Open to that? Even if she's just acting normal in public and isnt showing interest and isnt dressed like a slut? In my experience women have some serious emotional guards up when they're in public. If you hit it off with a girl and seem approachable and then start broaching inappropriate subjects it breaks all the trust and she gets creeped out "because you're not supposed to be talking about that shit in public, whats wrong with you". Its literal grounds for sexual harassment. Huge risk. > I could see "hey lets go behind the bushes" sorta deal as potentially working, she thinks its a joke at first, then when she considers its serious she sees its an actual opportunity.
So I would think that he would have to know there's a good chance he can seduce her into it. Like she's not even giving off any signals of interest, no hair flipping, no eye dodging. Its literally Casual. What the hell is he looking out for? ...she doesnt want anything serious at this party at all... she's just going down the aisle to get food... she's just at the store looking for clothes etc
Im not really interested in how to do it (well it would be nice to know)... its just ive heard this shit so many times that it cant be a meme or urban legend and there's got to be truth to it. The question isnt about "skillz" because I thats just the delivery part... have to get there first.
They're attractive and charismatic, possibly wealthy and showing that status. It is all some people really need to have sex with someone. Kinda sad really.
Juan Richardson
this has happened to me before, its really rare, when it happens it just happens, if you go looking for it you'll get arrested
its not that this happens all the time to a special class of hot people, it's rare for them too,
Christian Mitchell
Im already considering those factors. And none of the dudes ive heard these stories about were wealthy or status. ...They were Alpha for sure because you've got to be to have those kinda balls to just push a girl for sex. But thats also the skills to go forward on the delivery and get her in that direction.
As far as I can tell from experience MOST women are opposed to that. And any women on here will agree with the statement because this is an offensive skill that can be used on them. It doesnt matter how attractive or charismatic they are... if a women has a bf/hub, if its not the proper social context where she's looking for dates, if she isnt a slut or thot and she's just living life normal.
Yeah But You've got to press some serious skill on a girl to get her to go do that with you. How the fuck do you even identify that opportunity is there and its on the table for you to start drilling for it? And its not "really rare" either because there's some guys who even show videos of one girl after the next that he's seduced like clockwork.
Jace Johnson
pickup artists might be able to do that, but everybody including the women they sleep with thinks those guys are creeps
this happened to me twice, both times they initiated it
>be 17, in college >make eye contact with cute girl in cafe >keeps happening >she somehow got my number, i guess she knew one of my freinds >tells me she thinks i'm cute, meets me outside college, we fuck in the woods, end up staying round hers every weekend for a couple of months until i found out she had a boyfriend the whole time
>be a month ago >drinking in london, walking to next bar >some dude comes up to me "hey are you guys 23?" >yeah actually >"do you like milfs" >"i don't not like milfs" >his female friend puts her arm around me, we walk and flirt for a bit, make out, fuck in allyway
i don't think theres a special code that makes this happen you just have to not back out or seem nervous when opportunities arise
Wyatt Richardson
The first scenario is just a classic friends with benefits hookup so thats not what im talking about, you went through several steps first to get there and it didn't happen the first day. She had a BF so that just means she was open to cheating on him and there was no real relationship there. > made eye contact with girl in cafe, but it didnt escalate immediately > it had to keep happening, you had to get her number
The second scenario doesnt qualify either because the chick was throwing herself at you. She probably asked her friend to help her find a guy to get her laid.
Nicholas King
I think this would be way easier to understand if you could just be real for a moment and realize that women are human beings just like men are.
That means that they're not some kind of super special strange alien creature full of mystery, wonder, danger, and magic - they're the same sack of meat that you are that also get horny, get bored, have fetishes and are every bit as fucked up as you.
I'm sure you've gotten rock hard in public randomly thinking about something that made you really horny or you saw some woman with big milky jugs and wondered what it would be like to just plunge your shaft deep into her cleavage. Or you saw some girl in a skirt and the flex of her thigh muscles made you suddenly think about what it would feel like to bend her over the nearest object. Women feel these same things, too. Like you, most won't act on this shit because they're not degenerates but there are some who might.
It's not that pick-up artists are extra attractive in some miraculous way, their special skill is that they're good at reading people. They watch a woman's body language and go after mainly the ones that seem open to it. They don't keep hammering away at one girl to try and force it, they move on to the next one.
That's the big difference between a pick-up artist and an actual creep. The PUA gets a feel and overall just tries to be pleasant company/casual conversation. If they determine that the girl is not in it at all, they disengage and move on. Obviously you need a little bit of social acuity/charm to be subtle about the whole process but it's not like you have to be billionaire chad mcbeefcake to pull this shit off - plenty of PUA don't look like anything super special.
Nathaniel Edwards
All of this. Sex is supposed to be fun. Be fun.
Landon Martin
Thanks and this is pretty close to what I was looking for in terms of an answer so thats great but its still only halfway there.
What you're taking about with PUA's being good at reading people sounds about right, that its not just being able to observe the most subtle of convoluted of patterns. - But what Are the things they're looking for or checking when they're interacting with women that toss up those flags of possibility?
I still need to get some context on this to see how probable that is because we're talking about stuff that could still be real convoluted, thats supposed to be a signal that she's not happy in her relationship, or she wants excitement but doesnt have an outlet, or she's putting on a professional veneer but she could secretly be a thot and he's gotta be able to identify that even if she's hiding it. > there's also something to be said I think for the Alpha behavior of "okay be that way I thought you was actually interested for a second" kinda like the door-in-the-face sales tactic > to try and make the girl feel like she's being a bitch and deflect her train of thought about you being a creep, so that you can back off and move on > she might've even been offended by it but later on she might change her mind too, its a low chance but it could snag her the 2nd-4th time you encounter her.
Dude you're overthinking it, that's the problem. It's literally the same as anything else in life, it comes down to practice, paying attention and being self-aware to make improvements towards how you're going to get at your goal.
It's not like a dude reads one book and then is suddenly drowning in pussy. They're also not going to show you videos of the 90% of women who blew them off or were not interested.
The basics are simple for anyone that has regular interactions with women - they tend to laugh/smile more, they stand closer to you, they find excuses to touch you (on your forearm or on the shoulder, safe spots), they share more details about themselves openly, they're eager to spend time with you or make time to spend time with you, they become more flirty, etc.
All that shit about being alpha or whatever the fuck is useless fucking noise. Literally most of it is just going after the girls who are actively open to getting some good dick. All that other shit like "negging" or whatever are just little psychological tricks to make the game more exciting.
You're like trying to figure strategies to get some random guy off the street to sell you their car whereas you should just be going to a goddamn dealership or calling up people with cars listed in the classifieds.
Nathan Gray
My ex fucked the waiter of some restaurant 5 minutes after meeting him. The way she told it she was sober, she thought he was really handsome, and when she ran into him at the unisex bathroom, she dropped some hints and he picked them up.
Ended up fucking him entire vacation long apparently. Girls get really fucking slutty on holidays.
Gabriel Powell
Im guessing this is why she's your ex? j/k That sounds about right I guess but she was already in the mood for it from the sounds of it. She just still had her social inhibitions up because it was out-of-context. Which pretty much means the guy just had to push with enough assertiveness and say the right things. Being handsome only made it "possible" I guess the unisex bathroom (which are evil btw) also proved to be just good enough to be an in-context place to push for it too. Because they can both go in there and get privacy. So like a prop it served to make things a little easier to get into. Her dropping hints and him picking up on those, I think the difference between someone who's a PUA or the average guy is spotting that and understanding that she's actually serious about it and just how far she's letting it go. Compared to thinking that "maybe she's just joking, or she's just flirting and she's not serious" or missing the cues as being a real sexual reference.
Thats some serious shit that needs to be cleared up. We have a bigtime incel problem. This is the information age, they need that info.
> this kinda skill can be used to get normal dates and make relationships golden, because it pushes on someone who's already becoming pliable to you, its a matter of how aggressively you're gonna use it Yes, this shit should be written in a book. Yes it can be cataloged as things to look out for as classic tells, and understanding which cues from women are serious and which ones are only playful. And as for reading a book that suddenly gets you drowning in pussy I know of at least one that bridges probably 50% of the skill gap. Things like what I just described would go a long way to covering the rest of it too. I wonder if the CIA has any books on this kinda thing for their spies so that they can securely and reliably get in girls' pants to make contacts or be in the right place. > dude says one cant simply write a book about it, sheesh
It's literally propositioning every woman you find remotely attractive until one says yes.
That's the secret. Wow. There you go.
Henry Baker
>pickup artists might be able to do that, but everybody including the women they sleep with thinks those guys are creeps
Why are pickup artists so manipulative and creepy?
Jaxson Evans
>Be fun.
How do you be fun?
Connor Kelly
Yeah but what im talking about is lets say you run into that 5% of women who's willing and vulnerable to say Yes. The woman who's willing to go with it Isnt Always willing to go with it. If she's horny or desperate she's going to be alot more open to it. But there's all sorts of factors that can cockblock her. What do they do to make sure that she's not just having a bad day and they're not missing the clues that she's the type?
Jason White
The case here is that the woman is a stranger or in most cases only a casual acquaintance, for the man there isn't a sufficient enough bond for morality or doubt or love to come into play to prevent him from slam bang thanks you mam, so in a way it is subconscious evolutionary desire to sire children coming through in the form of the reward of sex. The woman at the same time doesn't have any particular hang ups rather than she is attracted to the man enough to have sex with him.
As for telling how a woman is open to that, fucked if I know. Because if I did I'd be slaying pussy like there was no tomorrow.
Though that said, when its obvious she wants a dick it is pretty damn obvious.
Brody Bennett
I can believe that. I read one story here also about some user's gf fucking a stranger in a public park. He dumped her, but it was funny reading how baffled he was by all of it. I've been into PUA for about 3 years now and have done some approaches, but I'm still a virgin at 19 and considering getting a prostitute.
Jackson King
I just wrote a thing about this to my friend explaining it but to summarize it goes like this...
Pushing for something invasive like that is Uncomfortable and penetrates a girl's personal boundaries. Its an attack but its not like a knife or a car trunk, so its not Overtly Dangerous. > with men its usually no matter how low the danger level the response is Fuck You > with women the danger level has to be higher for her to snap and put her foot down, because it feels so extreme to do
When he is Imposing on her and being assertive to get his way, badgering her or constantly poking at getting her to give him Yes's and escalate things this feels violating. But at the same time this kind of dominant behavior can also make her feel Disempowered > She hopes he will just come to his senses and stop trying to do this. > Or that he will observe how this is making her feel because he's offending her and he'll get the hint and back off. This is like fighting back against rape but doing it feebly.
But thats not how Assertion and Alpha male behavior works. So she's not approaching the prospect of Resistance or Denial in the proper way. So she ends up letting it happen because it is kinda racy, could feel good, and isnt actually Dangerous, even if it makes her feel shitty and used for a long time (thots/sluts get off on that part though).
The softer way this works is also when she's a normal woman who has Reasons she does not do this shit... and she's being pressured into doing it and this gets under her skin somehow. > But its not like she fantasized, its happening For Real and its happening in Realtime. > Deer In Headlights She could be Open to fucking him or at least giving him a blowjob or handling his penis, he could go for the bait and switch but she has less invasive options on the table. Its also racy because its like real life erotic fiction and she can feel naughty for having the chance to experience that. Its not IDEAL but its still fucking fun
Ive never had a girl be like that with me though so from my perspective ive very rarely ever noticed that kind of behavior and I dont know how to identify it. Its not obvious she wants a dick if you've never really observed that behavior.
So to further TLDR that - PUAs are creepy assholes because they're hurting women by offending their personal boundaries. They're bullying girls who dont have the resolve to really stand up for themselves, and then they firmly take advantage and get their fill no matter what it does to her. > this is where most of the Male-Female STD transmission takes place too
They're invasive emotional rapists and thats why they're scummy and creepy. And they're basically literal ones because her agreeing to go with whatever he's pushing is only technical and fleeting and isnt actually Sincere. > thing I wonder is where alot of black guys are learning these kinds of skills, its not racist, its just that the number of guys who try for PUA seems to be really high among that group. And yet there are few books that cover it so the information has to be coming from somewhere.
The process of courtship so that you can get married to someone has similar parallels but you've got a healthy motive involved that benefits the other person as much as yourself.
Nathaniel Myers
Because you gave me so many numbers im going to solve your problem right now and you're not going to like it. Online Dating - okCupid or plentyOfFish > even an autist like me has had sex with at least 4 women ive met on there Im not sure if they're still in the same format they used to be, I had success with it from 2003-2014. On 'fish they're supposed to have a no-strings-attached section if I remember correct. Search profiles, find girls who seem open to talk to you and aren't stuck up or crazy. Dont message chicks who haven't been online in over a month, those people are dead as far as you're concerned. Hit it off in the personal messaging and get a date lined up. Kinda oldschool approach but the girl knows the direction things are going so she's already open to see where it goes. > dont need to have common interests, if she's weeabo you probably shouldnt try to relate because that just makes you look like a "friend".
Go on your date, remember to keep her talking, remember the eye contact and initiating physical contact at some point just like you've learned. Be holding hands or arms over shoulder at some point so she can feel your body warmth. Yknow let things go as far as they'll go and hopefully get to the kissing by the end. Its up to you at that point to figure out if she's the kinda girl who's open to letting you probe her personal boundaries (to take her home on the first date and have sex with her). Used to be back about 15y ago that wasn't too common but these days girls are probably open to it.
And if it works make it clear that you want more and you want more of her around you, that way she knows you're reliable for getting sex from, and she's not going to emotionally drop you and chalk you up as a one-nighter.
