Its very clear that the holocaust, or holohoax as some of you nazis call it

You got told off to kingdom come last time and now you're here again playing dumb like it never happened.
Now, what group of people did Uncle Wolf describe as constantly doing such things?

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You see me for someone else

I download the pic then I make this thread

>there was this massive event in history that happened to a group leperous of people that have been expelled from every place they have inhabited for crimes ranging from usury to blood sacrifice that now control almost every institution on earth that is regularly taught in immense detail despite there being ones similiar that killed more people but this one is illegal to question in 11 countries and has affected global affairs including giving that race of lepers their own ethnostate.
I call it pattern recognition. There is a vested interest in holding up this narrative.
Do shills like you every wonder why the jews will continuously go on about the atrocities that were done to them but never tell you why they were done in the first place?

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Your english is horrendous.

How is conforming Free thought?How is merely questioning it enough for your you to be taken to jail?I mean look at David Irving.He didn't even deny it he merely questioned the means and he got his house and money taken away.And he was a well respected Historian before his "fall from grace".Or how about the fact that 5 million non-jews were killed in the camps too?But your Shekel master doesn't like to share reparations.
And ask yourself this final thing why is a thing that happened 78 years ago still relevant?

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>photos
of concentration camps, same thing we had in the US with japanese citizens
>eye witness accounts
books written by them like the holocoaster
>existence of the camps and evidence
wooden doors are gas chambers?

The reality is that "death camps" were soviet propaganda and a good political tool, americans disagreed with it's usage til we decided to create israel and use "death camp" as an excuse.

>How can you deny the millions of photos, the three million eye witness accounts from the survivors. Or let alone the existance of the camps and evidence left behind there.
Maybe post the "millions of photos" instead of asspulling numbers?

>How is merely questioning it

Kek,

It's not about the holocaust never being questioned, it's how it's pointless do debate a stormingger who doesn't accept basic historical premises about facts that are publicly evident and debating them is like talking to a religious nut or a flat-earther. In 2011 there was a festival of 'dangerous thought' where you could debate non-conventional even controversial ideas, but a they still de-platformed a muslim who wanted to argue that rape is sometimes justified -- no-one on the right defended him, and most edgy free-speech advocates agreed that even debating if rape should be considered beneath contempt and unnaceptable.

Listen, people have no time to explain from the start how it came to the holocaust to every stomrfuck that they embark on. The holocaust denier is comparable only to the stupid evangelical young-earthers who denied evolution and expected every normie to be able to give a scientific account of how species evolved chronologically -- if someone failed to have an encyclopedic knowledge about it the crazy evangelical morron claimed victory.

It is the holocaust denier who is the kooky disingenious piece of anti-intellectual trash, moving posts, changing the theory so it can white-wash Hitler -- you start with an ideological agenda (whitewashing national socialism) not seeking the truth.

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Eyewitness accounts such as the masturbation machines and holocoaster lmao

Wow, Jews can only copy other people's memes

krauts are know as the most analy-retentive nation in Europe. They document everything. There is plenty of documentation of einsatzgruppen escapades in Poland, Ukraine and Belarus. Most of you stromniggers still believe that 6 million jews literally gassed which is ludicrous. Almost half of the deaths were from Wehrmacht and einsatzgruppen massacring civilian jews.

The only people who mention stormfront are shills. Literally the ONLY ones who ever bring it up.

Because they were tortured, threatened and manipulated to sign confessions where they had to say they were following orders in orders from higher ranking germans to implicate these higher ranking germans, who were then tortured and threatened and manipulated to implicate even higher ranking germans, and so on forth. The torture was mostly for the top brass at the end of this process. Their confessions were more important and they couldn't be swayed as easily. For the average german it was the threat of being handed over to russians that did it, "extradition", a sentence equal to a slow aognizing death. The commies didn't care for evidence and couldn't confirm anything all the way from another country. They took at face value anyone handed over to them with a sign that says "german soldier". Today it is properly recognized as illegal to threaten to extradite someone to another country where you know they will be mistreated. That wasn't the case back then. Nothing that came out of Nuremberg is legally binding by modern standards.

>the three million eye witness accounts from the survivors

So its 3 million survivors now? wow the number is growing fast

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Imagine trying to fucking argue with /pol,
>guys look I have an opinion maybe I should share it where people don't want it
Jeez

always and forever

we welcome all opinions so we can shit on them and show people why those opinions are trash

Hahh even 1000 people were way more than enough to take the photos.

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>he believes that life existed before the year 2000 and that we don't live in computer simulation

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You just need a good arguments to back up you opinion.

Its not enough to have an opinion, you need a logic behind it and a desire to Always search for the truth.

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The left can't meme

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I wouldn't hate jews if they wouldn't post to Jow Forums.

I was reading about Nazis recently. Sounds like they went in an invasion spree and became obsessed with invading and when things went bad they resorted to more invasion because at that point it was all they could do. Then their invasions were crap and they got invaded themselves and that was the end.

Maybe we people think Nazis were unironically cool, but they were pretty much invade-aholics with bizarre racial superiority justifications. All that rationalisation about being the master race was just to fuel their main game which was invasions.

Funny thing is that in current year Germany has achieved a sort of hegemony over Europe via the EU. But based Britain is pulling out . I wonder what Germany will do next regarding the EU. They seem to continue wanting to add "member states". The ECB seems to continue to print money. Well, we'll see.

>It's not about the holocaust never being questioned

It's illegal to you simpleton

it's pointless to debate the holocaust.

waht Jow Forums should is show how the yid insect uses this event to inject guilt into white population and weasel their way to the top.

There is hope because the boomer generation is in their last breath and the most recent generations are now exposed to the internet, which twarts the kike's information control and allows zoomers to look for more sources than the ones that the maintream narrative offers.

>The USS Liberty incident
>"oy vey goy it was an accident never forget the holocaust!!!"

Fucking... HMMMMMMMMM............

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Please show me survivor tattoo of a number higher than 999999. There have been no seven digit tattoos on survivors. That should be simple to prove right?

>recent generations are now exposed to the internet, which twarts the kike's information control....

You know, its not like that, not everyone is a Jow Forums redpilled user, I tried to redpill ppl on deviantart.com and was banned forever.

We are a small group of people, because we are lazy and we dont redpill people as much as we should have, to have a brighter future.

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Where are the bodies?

The majority of them are muslim shills, they're here for propaganda not for discussion.

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>written
>spoken
>as opposed to a photograph

Obody cares if the holocast happened, only about what it represents, it represents jewish guilt rule over the western world, if you oppose thar you have to denie everything thats how politics work ffs

Best thing I got out of Jow Forums
Also,
>masturbation machines
>peddle driven head bashers
Lol

Gen Eisenhower, PM Winston Churchill, and General DeGaulle all wrote histories of WWII and their part in it. NONE of their books mentioned mass gassing and assembly line cremations.

Eisenhower said that jews were mistreated to the point of atrocity, but that is not disputed. Many ethnics were brutalized in the World War, but jews realized they had to concoct an atrocity which stood above all others, so they could claim special status, prestige, and power after the War, You will notice all of the cries of Neo Nazi and anti-semitism come when these privileges are challenged, mainly in the USA, where, of course, NO "holocaust" took place AT ALL.

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Keep reading.

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Gay edit. Provides no evidence, just appeals to authority without independent analysis of the information. No one is threatening you if you believe in the holocaust but they will if you don't.

> Post better b8

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Reminder there's never been a single autopsy that has shown anyone died from inhaling hydrogen cyanide or diesel fumes. Out of thousands of bodies, not a single one.

who cares jews ? in 2019
Phatetic

So many Nazi leaders "committed suicide in their cells" mere weeks after writing they would never kill themselves. You were tortured (including having your balls stamped on and your family threatened) if you didn't sign a confession. If you refused after torture, you were killed.

>I mean look at David Irving.He didn't even deny it he merely questioned the means and he got his house and money taken away.And he was a well respected Historian before his "fall from grace".

This red-pilled me.

What I don't get is why they trialed and executed Jodl and Keitel who signed and ratified inconditional surrender, what's the point.

At this point he is supposedly back stepping.

unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

READ THIS^

written by a red-pilled Jew with 167 IQ. It was my first step towards the final red-pill of them all (Holohaux).

>mfw the Holocaust was real and (((they))) deserved it

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>Its very clear that the holocaust, or holohoax as some of you nazis call it.

????? geez.

Prove they were tortured.
Surrendering does not make you immune to legal consequences.

>You got told off to kingdom come last time and now you're here again playing dumb like it never happened.
Hmmn... I wonder where we may have heard of that sort of (((behavior))) before?

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It's hard when you have people who can't easily see a lie for a lie. those among us with a truly strong moral compass have something that others don't and we simply feel a lie when we hear or see it. It could make sense, as the Holocaust does because greedy Jews asked for it with the previous democracy. But something will just feel wrong with it. Every logical step says this is okay if you follow their reasoning. But it still feels wrong.

its very clear that not only was your first sentence an incomplete thought, but you couldn't help plebbit spacing the post.
You are an abysmal failure of a human being, and your grandparents should have been gassed.

>Its very clear that the holocaust, or holohoax as some of you nazis call it

Since you can’t even write one complete sentence it makes me wonder how you gained expertise on the holocaust. Pop-up books?

>eye witness accounts

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How can you deny the fact that "victims" survived because they were too "unhealthy" to be gassed to death? How does that make sense?
How can you deny the fact that jews were shilling their beloved numbers long before World War 2 all over the place in newspapers?

Emil Lachout, an Austrian officer who served with the postwar Allied War Crimes Commission, testified under oath in a 1988 court case that German officials had been tortured to produce fraudulent statements about alleged killings of Jews in German camp gas chambers. He also provided what he said was a copy of a 1948 document confirming this.

See: Robert Lenski, Holocaust on Trial (1990), pp. 274, 278.; Müller circular notice, Oct. 1, 1948, published in: Journal of Historical Review, Spring 1988, pp. 117-124.

I can do edits too.

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I can't believe you monsters denied the death by tickling and giant electric chairs.

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web.archive.org/web/20180918195042/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/austrian/austrian-resistance-archives/ld-5.html
>Whenever Lachout has presented "statements" in order to "confirm" the "authenticity" of the "document" (which have already been partly proven to be falsifications), he has given a different account of the "document's" origins as well as different "statements", which have already proven to be falsifications. The official source has been given different titles: either "Military Police Service", or "Allied Military Command Austria", etc.[16] But, according to all the information we have about the Four-Power Occupation of Austria, such an Allied authority never existed.

>Furthermore, the Allies as a rule only accepted Austrians, or former Austrians, into their service if they had either worked for one of the Allied authorities or had been part of one of the Allied military units while in emigration, and were known to be trustworthy. The Soviet military power did not accept former Austrians into the service of the occupying authorities at all. Never were interned POWs accepted for occupying duty in 1945 and certainly not with an officer's rank, as Lachout maintains.[24]

>G. Lachout's Alleged Role with the
"Military Police Service"
Lachout signed the "document" as "lieutenant". He was only twenty years old at the time. He was too young to have had such a rank. Moreover, there were no Austrian officers among the Allied Powers, unless that person had already volunteered as an emigrant to serve with the troops of his country of exile during the war. It was impossible to "moonlight" with an Allied authority while at the same time being a civil servant of the City of Vienna as Lachout supposedly did. To serve in a non-Austrian military organization also meant automatic forfeiture of one's Austrian citizenship.

An officer's appointment needs several years of intensive training. Even during the war, officer's training lasted more than a year and as a rule required a high-school diploma. Lachout says that he got his Austrian highschool diploma in 1946. The DOEW has, therefore, concluded in its court rebuttal that "Lachout's claims must be ... qualified as obviously false."[32]

Lachout could never have served as a member of an Austrian executive body (police, gendarmerie, B-gendarmerie) in a "Military Police Service", because he never belonged to an Austrian executive body after 1945.[33] Furthermore, moonlighting for an Allied organization would have been inconceivable.[34]

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Table of Contents:
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>Holohoax
>Tons of proof

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's pretty difficult to prove or disprove either way unless you were there. The Allies aren't going to write up and release documents about how their tortured captives to create a narrative that would justify them destroying Germany and fascism.

Prove 6 million were exterminated?

Did you read the UNZ article I posted?

Can I not be a Nazi and still believe that the Holohoax never happened?

>pattern recognition
How can this be defeated in humans? Is the mixed-mutt race of "the future" going to not be able to do this? Or is the plan to perfect the prison and make sharing and comparing of information worldwide impossible. I just can not imagine a slave revolt not happening eventually.

This is good thanks

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I used to believe that the Holocaust happened while also being pretty red-pilled on the Jews (so, in leftist terms, a "nazi").

I don't see why you can't be my former self's opposite.

I just hate jews and think the holocaust never happened but I am more ANCAP than Nationalist Socialist
They seem to make it out that anyone that doesnt believe in the holohoax is instantly Nazi

>It's pretty difficult to prove or disprove either way
It's up to your side to prove what you allege has happened.

>ns-archiv.de/verfolgung/korherr/korherr-lang.php
>holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/korherr.html

>The report produced by Korherr is one of the most damming documents of the whole Nazi period and their brutal policy in pursuit of the destruction of the Jews of Europe. Of particular noteworthy consideration is the figure of 1274166 for the number of Jews passing through the camps in the General Government.

There also are the Einsatzgruppen Reports. Daily reports send by the German Einsatzgruppen in the Soviet Union that detail their activity in shooting Jews. Report 101 from October 2, 1941 for example quite explicitly states:
>Sonderkommando 4a in collaboration with Einsatzgruppe HQ and two Kommandos of police regiment South, executed 33,771 Jews in Kiev on September 29 and 30, 1941.
holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/situationreport.html

Adding the numbers the Einsatzgruppen themselves give, we arrive at at least 1.5 million victims through their activity.

That combined with the numbers we have from Korherr shows that by mid-43 at least 3 million Jews were already dead. And that does not account for the Jews killed in Auschwitz, the Jews killed in Poland during the operations in 1939, the Jews of Serbia being killed by the Wehrmacht and by gas van, the Aktion Harvest Festival in the Majdanek camp, the killing of the Hungarian Jews in 1944 and so on.

Now, talking about Auschwitz:

Here we take a look at Robert Jan van Pelt in his report for the Irving v. Lipstadt trial.
hdot.org/vanpelt/#

France: 71 transports between March 27, 1944 and August 22, 1944; transport lists total to a number of some 69,000 deportees.

The Netherlands: 68 transports between July 15, 1942 and September 3, 1944; transport lists total to a number of 60,000 deportees.

Greece: 22 transports between March 20, 1943 and August 16, 1944; railway tickets show the deportation of some 49,000 Jews from Saloniki to Auschwitz, and transport lists show the deportation of another 6,000 Jews from Athens and Corfu to Auschwitz.

Bohemia and Moravia: 24 transports between October 26, 1942 and October 1944; transport lists total a number of some 46,000 deportees.

Slovakia: 19 transports between March 26, 1942 and October 20, 1942; various other transports in the fall of 1944; transport lists total a number of some 27,000 deportees;

Belgium: 27 transports between August 4, 1942 and July 31, 1944; transport lists total a number of some 25,000 deportees;

Italy: 13 transports between October 18, 1943 and October 24, 1944; transport lists total a number of some 7,500 deportees;

Norway: 2 transports between December 1, 1942 and February 2, 1943; transport lists total a number of 700 deportees.

Which brings us to a sub-total of some 290,000 deportees based on relatively straightforward archival information. These deportees were either killed on arrival, and therefore not registered, or admitted to the camp, and registered.

In the case of Hungary it is a bit more tricky. While we do have a precise number of how many were deported not all of them were killed on arrival or registered and admitted to the camp. The so-called Durchgangs-Juden (transit Jews) were kept temporarily in transit, to be dispatched to concentration camps in the Reich. The numbers for Hungary present as follows:

Hungary: according to a telegram dated July 11, 1944, sent by the German ambassador in Budapest to the Foreign Ministry in Berlin, a total of 437,402 (438,000) Jews were deported to Auschwitz. The total number of transports was 148. Of the 438,000 Jews, as much as 25,000 could have been qualified as Durchgangs-Juden.

This results in a revised sub-total of 728,000 deportees – all Jews – from nine countries, about 703,000 of which were brought to Auschwitz and either killed on arrival or registered as camp inmates.

This results in a revised sub-total of 728,000 deportees – all Jews – from nine countries, about 703,000 of which were brought to Auschwitz and either killed on arrival or registered as camp inmates.

The figures for Poland, Germany, and Yugoslavia are a bit less straightforward but the essence of it is that newest historical research shows that at least 300,000 and maybe as much as 350,000 Polish Jewish were deported to Auschwitz, some 23,000 German Jews were deported directly from Germany to Auschwitz (the total number of German Jews killed in Auschwitz is higher but that is the result from them being deported from France et. al. where they had fled before the war or from having been deported to Auschwitz from another camp such as Theresienstadt), and about 10,000 Jews were deported there from Yugoslavia.

That results in a revised sub-total of 1,061,000 Jews deported to Auschwitz.

Add to that, the about 34,000 Jews who arrived in Auschwitz from other concentration camps (e.g. Ravensbrück), that brings us to a final total of 1,095,000 (1.1 million) Jews deported to Auschwitz.

Pelt continues:

>The mortality of the registered Jews is more difficult to determine. It is clear that, of the registered inmates, 190,000 were transferred to other concentration camps–most of them after the death marches of January 1945. A total of 8,000 inmates were liberated by the Red Army on January 27, 1945, some 1,500 inmates were released, and some 500 escaped. This means that some 199,500 inmates, or roughly half of all the registered inmates, are accounted for. The rest, or 200,000, must have died in the camp. According to Piper, the mortality rate for the general camp population (mainly Poles and Jews), was around 50 per cent over the life of the camp–for the Soviet prisoners- of-war and the Romani it was much higher. As a result Piper came to a rough estimate of 100,000 registered Jews that died in the camp. The result is that the total mortality of Jews in Auschwitz was 960,000.

Added to that the numbers of other groups of victims, it looks like this:

Jews: 860,000 unregistered and 100,000 registered inmates. Total 960,000 victims.

Poles: 10,00 unregistered and 64,000 registered inmates. Total 74,000 victims.

Romani: 2,000 unregistered and 19,000 registered inmates. Total 21,000 victims.

Soviet prisoners-of-war: 3,000 unregistered and 12,000 registered. Total 15,000 victims.

Others: 12,000 registered inmates. Total 12,000 victims.

Total: 1,082,000 victims.

Or about 1.1 million victims. Not all of whom died in the gas chambers but also of shootings, starvation, forced labor and so on and so forth. However, it is clear that at least 865,000 Jews deported to Auschwitz were killed on arrival and thus the vast majority must have been killed in the gas chambers.

So, from the Korherr Report, the Einsatzgruppen Reports, and the work of van Pelt, we arrive at a minimum number of killed Jews of about 4 million for Auschwitz, the Reinhard Camps, and the Einsatzgruppen.

Really. Makes. You. Think.

This however, is not all:

In Chelmno, which was not part of the Aktion Reinhard, it is clear from German documents that at least 180.000, if not 200.000 Jews were murdered.

Aktion Erntefest, the mass murder of the Jews from the Trawniki and Poniatowa Labor Camps and the Majdanek CC as ordered by Himmler and attested through documentation of Police Battalions, accounts for another 43.000 victims;

As the files from the units involved in putting down the Warsaw Ghettos Uprising tell us, 12.000 Jews were killed during the fighting, 30.000 shot in the aftermath, and 7.000 deported to Auschwitz to be killed on arrival, which puts the total 49.000 victims;

The Maly Trostinets camp, whose existence was known of through both German and Soviet documents have been estimated by Yad Vashem to have at least had 65.000 victims as a minimum;

In Serbia, Wehrmacht and SD files reveal that at least 20.000 Jews were killed, 8.000 shot by the Wehrmacht, 12.000 killed in the Gas Van at the Sajmiste camp;

then there was the Intelligenzaktion, Sonderaktion Tannenberg, and the A-B Aktion in Poland, where both Jewish and non-Jewish Poles were killed and the minimum of Jewish victims is estimated at at least another 60.000;

then there is Theresienstadt, where save those deported to Auschwitz, at least another 40.000 Jews died for certain following German documentation.

how can you communists deny the Holodomor, there were 11 million fatalities and over 30 million witnesses.

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I'm not denying the fact that Jews were deported to internment/slave labour camps. I'm not denying the fact that some of them were massacred (as were every ethnicity in the war). I'm denying the fact that there was a systematic plan in place to kill every Jew in Europe - "extermination camps" - and that 6 million were murdered (as opposed to large numbers dying of illness and starvation - thanks to the Allied blockade).

Why did the Nazis spend time and money building and creating cinemas, swimming pools, soccer fields, and musical orchestras for these camps if they existed solely to slaughter Jews? Why were so many Jews allowed to live (and were subsequently liberated) in 1944 and 1945 when it became clear the Nazis would lose?

When you're at war with the enemy, you intern the enemy. That's how war works. The Jews (international financiers) were at war with Nazi Germany, and vice versa.

"B-b-b-but my opinion" No one gives a fuck. If you want to argue don't fucking use opinions you fucking faggot. When you argue you have to use evidence and facts otherwise it's all about your feelings and newsflash no one fucking cares about your feelings.
Seriously the opinion defence should be outlawed.

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/ptg/ jews will be in slide mode until SoTU gets memory holed. Sage

Your original reply to me
>Prove 6 million were exterminated?
I have done that.

Total comes to 5,933,922.
Oops, that's -2% off. Looks like the holohoax didn't happen.

what is happening in this picture?

Ok op. If the holocaust is real, why should i care? It happened long before i was born on another continent amongst people i have no ties to.

I say its fake just to make you mad. If you want me to stop: shut the fuck up about it. I dont care about any of it. I simply dont care and there is absolutely no reason for me to so just shut up or jump in an oven.

Because accepting the holocaust to be true would mean nazis were monsters.

Case study in what National Socialism does to people.

awkward wordy shit

i'm glad it happened. i want to repeat history but 20x better this time around.

Why are other genocides so terribly documented, but when six gorillion jews die in the holobunga there's a gorilliion eye witness accounts?

>half of the deaths are from state sponsored rwds
>survivors infiltrate government and attempt to seize private firearms

There are two kinds of people who claim to experience trauma, liars and people with revenge fantasies.

This is why bullies were bullied, pedos were molested, and political violence is cyclical and retribution can last generations.

Pray the kikes are lying about the holocaust.

There were no 5 million killed in camps. Literally a made up number, lower than the jews but big enough to incite empathy and outrage from goyim. The whole thing was a sham to firstly get palatine from Churchill and then get funding and military assistance in the late 50s. Billions of dollars from our taxes for something we didn’t do. But they see goyim all the same.
When the Kaiser made a historic trip to the Holy Land, all the biggest religious leaders welcomed him except the high rabbi. When interviewed as to why he didn’t attend, he said that Germany is an Amalek. They view Rome and Titus as Amalekites since he sacked Jerusalem and destroyed their temple. They view all Europeans the same as him, and they haven’t forgotten. As a tightly knit group, they know more about the host countries before the leaders did, making them unable to ever be nationalistic. Therefore, they are seen as an ‘otherness.’ No minority wants to be seen as this since it means you’re an outcast so the only way to reside in a host country is to take on the mask of victim hood. That’s why they made the holocaust. The masters of divisiveness and theater created an event that would fool generations. Jesus warned us of their disgusting ways

There are two types of holocaust deniers, mostly males, which often merge into a single entity.

1) The lunatic with a tinfoil hat. He has just one single argument: "JEWISH CONSPIRACY".
An (aged) eyewitness makes a single mistake in the hard process of a painfull recollection of a distant event? He is a liar.
They spot ten mistakes? Proof that anything any eyewitness said is just a falsity and they all are paid by the (((SUPREME JEWISH MONEY POWER))).
Every document or material? Fabricated by the (((SJMP))).
But they are woke.

2) The sophist.
Basically a very clever nazi. Mostly from the alt-right swamp, raised posting on Jow Forums,
He actually knows perfectly that the holocaust happened. But he wants to prove that it did not. Hitler did nothing wrong, right?
And he also loves to troll and to waste other people time and life, especally if it will give him the possibility to gain some popularity and feel better about their own (shitty) lifes. Famous people or academics are the best target for ths purpose. Nothing is better to feel like you are a free thinker rising above your peers to shit on someone who is considered a mind worth of respect while talking about something which is hailed as a universal truth.
Just like the Sophists did. Remember The Encomium of Helen by Gorgia, the philosopher? He was succesfull in demonstrating something which was considered even treasonous: that Helen, who betrayed the Greeks, did nothing wrong (Iliad, anyone?).
Being this able to manipulate the truth they took power and ultimately became a dominant philosophy in Greece (Untill Socrates).
They are doing the same. They are showing to the clever ones that they can say what they want, thanks to their rethoric: will you try to stop them? While they do this they gain followers, they sell t-shirts, they starts magazines while we seat here and talk about them.
We should read Socrates again, if we want to fight them. There is Truth in the world, we just have to give her birth every day.

>t. My ass