Democratic socialism is the future

Reality sucks bro.

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>democratic socialism
If you want this idea to have a chance to succeed, You have to rename it to something else, without word "socialism" in it... Most people are alergic to this word. For millions of people this word is strongly associated with incredible suffering and tragedy ....

It literally is already succeeding in many countries. Including the us if you loosen the term a bit

It's bankrupting the US

>Nobody has yet given a successfully argued against democratic socialism
Sweden is democratic socialistic you goddamn mongoloid.
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i don't understand you faggots. all your arguments come down to is the government more power.

give the government more power*

Democratic socialism is the way to get to socialism in a democratic way. Most Socialist want a revolution to achieve socialism and that the difference.
>one side wants it by votes, the other side by blood
These retards are pushing for a state where everyone gets the same ignoring the efforts of the individual.
These retards think that the wealthy wouldn't leave the country before socialism is established
These retards think the state wound't betray them. They think humans arent power hungry and everything will be fine
These retards are naive kids

are you stupid? most eastern European states adopted democratic socialism since 30 years ago. It's a disaster.

>imports six gorillion shitskins
>i-it's all the political systems fault
Dumb fuck

Lmao Republicans overused socialism so much that zoomers and millennials don't give a fuck anymore.
>incredible suffering
As if you genuinely give a fuck about some Ukrainian kulak from the 30ss.

This is the most American post I've ever read.
Governments are literally just tools to defend the upper classes they shill for. They sometimes make concessions to preserve stable environments for businesses to work in, but overall, the rich benefit from them more and have far more sway over them. A state can either serve the ruling classes or the workers at once, doing both is impossible, their interests are naturally irreconcilable. Just look at all the finance and fossil fuel shills in Trump's cabinet. Literal fucking plutocracy.

It's not Socialism at all. None of these populist scumbags want to take actual responsibility for the success or more likely failure of nationalized industry and it's direct correlation to the fate of the U.S. economy. They know they're just leeches on society who lack the skillset to contribute.

What they propose is just theft. Their plans depend entirely on the success and then pacivity of private industry on the hope that they can reap the primary benefit of a long political career. It's just Reaganomics, but trickling through government bureaucracy as an additional step.

good, more bugs to kill

define socialism
"democratic socialism" in European politics just means capitalism with higher taxes and more social security (welfare, gov-payed education, healthcare etc)

but its unsustainable with the mass migration of dregs or with catastrophically ageing population

Venezuela
That’s all that needs to be said
Madurai and Chavez were democratically elected. We see how it turned out.
INB4 “Thad not real demokratik soshallism”.

No
Socialism is state controlled means of production.

then its totalitarian and highly ineffective
you will never have any quality of life with no private business and industry

>social security
That's a funny term, considering the fact, that it is sure and secure fact, that it will go full broke after a short while, and after the fact, everybody is worse off.

it doesn't when you have industrious responsible europeans paying 40-60% taxes
it will totally fail with demographics change

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They won't ever want that, fuckwad. They will be deceived into voting for either Socialism or Liberalism. Democracy IS a scam.

Give a single example of democratic socialist country working nowadays. You're a fucking retard.

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Not acknowledging arguments is not the same as there being no arguments, just.

This board hates faggots. Go away.

Well made argument against democratic socialism here.
Socialism requires all people in a society to work together as if the society is a single entity made of many people instead of many individual people organised into a society. This can be done thorough authoritarian means, although the benefits of functional socialism are outweighed by the cost of the necessary enforcement. It can also be done through social and/or genetic engineering of the populace, although this, again, outweighs the benefit of functional socialism as it would be constantly fighting against the first stage of evolution, variation.
Adding democracy to the mix and, as such, removing authoritarianism and, to some extent, technocracy, simply makes it impossible for socialism to function. To analogize, socialism works incredibly well within the society of cells that is the body of an animal because every cell naturally functions not as an individual and independent organism, but as part of a whole, and if ever any portion of the population of cells in an animal start to function in a way that isn't most beneficial to the animal (because of cancer, significant mutation, viral infection, or something like), those cells are destroyed either by the immune system attacking every single faulty cell or by the nervous system deciding on an action that amputates or otherwise removes a body part. If you add democratic concepts to this such as policing by consent and leaders as servants of the citizens, the immune system will only be skin-deep and the nervous system won't be able to sacrifice a limb to stop the spread of a lethal infection.

Conclusion: Socialism works well in certain circumstances. Creating such circumstances in a human society will cost more than it's worth. The application of democracy requires the crippling of government functions that are entirely necessary for socialism to work.