Is it a good idea to try to follow PUA guides to become less of a fucking autist?
Literally everything in these guides just feels like a "just talk to girls lmao"-tier advice to me at this point, and I'm unable to do even the simplest things they might expect me to do. But I still feel like they might be a reasonably straightforward way to be more like a normal person eventually.
Has anyone done this?
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What guides? Asking for a friend....
No. PUA basically boils down to trying to get as many girls as possible into bed so that you'll end up scoring just due to sheer probability. There's absolutely no guarantee that any advice they give you will work except for really general advice like "just talk to girls lmao".
Yes I have become less of an autist after following PUA's, I even lost my virginity because of them.
Not sure if this will help you, but I find that the lifestyle you live decides how fast you will progress. Every time I had momentum, energy or felt good, I'd lose it after a single day of work. I figured there wasn't a point to continuing it until I changed that part of me.
TLDR; Yes it is a good idea. Good luck with your adventures user, shoot me some q's if you want.
>I'd lose it after a single day of work
*at my former job
Yep, I know some asshole who bothers basically every girl he sees and thinks he's cool because about 1 time out of 1000 they have sex with him. I like girls but I don't think pussy is worth that much effort and embarrassment.
Check out Real social dynamics
It's basically self help/improvement but with a emphasis on pickup which you can choose to ignore or not
I started reading these guides in the hopes that they would teach me how to talk to people, how to be more confident etc. but they usually boil down to "just don't think bro, approach 100 girls every single day until it becomes your second nature, then you're done". It's like they literally require you to make "game" part of your identity and invest most of your time into endless practice, otherwise you won't succeed. It's weird as shit and I honestly feel that doing stuff like that could fuck you up forever.
OP please ignore these NPC's
And if you guys aren't NPC's then you lack motivation, willpower and dedication and should all be ashamed of that. You can do better
>You're an NPC if you don't follow a series of instructions as you approach a never-ending series of women with a goal that never changes
You're clearly an incel if you think women require a series of specific instructions. And I haven't seen a single pua state that you must lock yourself into a clearly defined 'goal'. I feel bad for you
>NPC
>Incel
Go back to your shitty containment board faggot.
>Is it a good idea to try to follow PUA guides to become less of a fucking autist?
That's like clearing out a stomach ache with bleach. Both options are fucking retarded. How about try interacting with women like they're actual human beans and drop this retarded mating dance bullshit.
Seems like my comments have triggered you. There's a helpful pua vid for that
>human beans
>Oi vey you human beans should not reproduce! Please stay a beta and stop trying ANY method to improve your social awkwardness
Sad.
I've never read the guides but from what I've heard several helpful things would be: Treat women like children, accept that women hate to be treated like equals (even feminists), objectifying women will help you be more confident/assertive, and treat it like a numbers game.
Don't get sucked into it too far because you'll become a sad loser but yeah some of the advice I see from PUAs is helpful advice that you won't hear anywhere else.
PUA isn't really about steps, lines, or techniques anymore. That's what it was in the early 2000s.
Now it's just self development and generalized mindsets that you should have when interacting with women , which is actually important for guys who have been raised by single mothers and feminized mainstream media
*sips*
*Teleports behind you*
Nothin personnel kid
If you want to be normal, I highly suggest imitation of other normal people.
First your appearance and gait is important to pay attention to.
Grooming is important, shower daily, get your hair cut short. Use body lotion, deodorant and body spray / cologne.
Make sure your clothes fit, not too baggy and not too tight. Dress appropriately for the occasion, season and your age.
Learn conversational skills from other people, like 'how is your day', 'what do you do', 'got any hobbies / interests'.
Carry on from there.
Do you have a schedule? Work? Gym? School? Do useful things that occupy your time. These things are far more useful to you right now and will attract women.
youtube: 21 conference
its like PUA skills but with good information, and general philosophy that works
>"just talk to girls lmao"-tier advice
because its literally that easy
girls are not aliens
>women like they're actual human
literally the worst advice possible. Have you ever met a woman that's attracted to that? Treating women like they're human will have you rejected for being too passive or wimpy.
>Being someone you’re not to hopefully pick up a drunk bar fly for an emotionless fuck.
Literally cannot understand why incels think there is more dignity in this than just accepting you haven’t found the right person yet.
strawman. see and some of the tips are applicable, especially modelling oneself after successful people and their habits and mindsets.
if "Just being yourself" isn't getting you anywhere in life, maybe it's time to rethink that assumption?
Yeah but people who buy into that sort of thing don’t actually consider who they are, only focusing on who they aren’t.
It’s wrong to say anyone should try to emulate someone “successful” because the measurement of success isn’t universal. Someone who considers themselves successful because they’ve worked hard to get rich will think someone whose success lied in having travelled the world on a tight budget is a bum.
Invariably you see the kind of incels going to PUA complaining about and comparing themselves to “Chad”, don’t they? But have they ever actually considered that if by nature they have their heads in books rather than lifiting in the gym then perhaps being successful with slags isn’t going to be as fulfilling as they think.
again, missing the point: these incels are involuntarily not getting what they'd like to get, mostly due to self-confidence issues and poor social skills. fix those, and many other problems can be reduced or eliminated too.
There's a goods side and a bad side to it.
I think PUA kinda has the focus wrong. If I get into a two month long relationship with a nice girl but then we break up and we haven't head sex yet; I don't see that as a big deal: You got some life experience, it was fun for the sort while that it lasted, there were probably other valuable intimate moments, just not going all the way, it's fine. In the eyes of most PUA you've just wasted two months of your life though.
There's also the risk of becoming a persona. If you're constantly trying to change yourself to become more attractive to girls then that's a nice complex right there.
The positive side though is that there's a difference between changing yourself and being the best you can be. There's a difference between faking extroversion and overcoming your fears. If PUA just helps you be the best you can be and overcome your fears, then I think that's very good.
>If you're constantly trying to change yourself to become more attractive to girls then that's a nice complex right there.
I really don't think that that is the PUA approach, in fact, that is the mentality of the beta orbiter by definition, always trying to please.
>Yep, I know some asshole who bothers basically every girl he sees and thinks he's cool because about 1 time out of 1000 they have sex with him.
Lol, that‘s what someone would do who knows jack shit about PUA.
Most people who oppose PUA don‘t even understand what it is and think of clichés when they talk about it. It depends on what kind of circles you are in. It‘s mostly about self improvement, becoming genuinely more attractive in behavior, advice that bypasses some embarrassing mistakes you would make if you wanted to learn how to pick up girls from personal experience alone, expressing yourself the way you are, some male to female dynamics when it comes to building attraction, yada yada. I‘ve meddled with PUA for more than a year now and it made me a more open, social and likable guy. I recommend you read Models: Attracting Women Through Honesty, which is a genuinely great book that I would recommend to every guy.
No you’re missing the point. They look at Chads and think “that’s the success I want!” Because it’s easier to recognise someone else’s success than know what your own success would be.
Sure everyone could always be a bit more confident in themselves, but what PUAs and these “how to be a manly man” self-help gurus are doing is making people become confident in a persona and attitudes they’re adopting rather than with who they are.
The second that shit gets challenged they’re right back on Jow Forums talking about how depressed they are, tfw no gf and how the world is so unfair because they can’t just have someone else’s life.
>are doing is making people become confident in a persona and attitudes they’re adopting rather than with who they are.
Very wrong, and I‘m not saying this to have a debate, just as a disclaimer for people who know very little about the topic and would end up believing false information.
Can you summarise what methods the ones you used had?
>becoming more attractive socially
To whom and why would you want to be attractive to people who you wouldn’t normally associate with?
>avoiding mistakes
But that’s the worst part, you have to make and learn from your own mistakes. Not try to avoid ever making a mistake and when you do, imagining your self to be like a smug cartoon frog instead of facing up and learning from the experience.
>male and female dynamics
But everyone is different user, some people have those dynamics but they aren’t going to be true for a lot of people.
>it made me a better person
Being more likeable to people who wouldn’t have hung out with you before isn’t necessarily going to make you happy in the long run.
there's a lot of projection and presumption in that post, lad.
>projection
Okay m8, it’s just what I’ve seen.
Actually, I don’t even see where the projection is, I haven’t accused you of anything in my post..
As for presumptions, I’m actually addressing your presumptions that men and women can function as carbon copies of stereotypes.
>To whom
To myself because that makes me feel more confident and happy and to the girls I‘m interested in
>why would you want to be attractive to people who you wouldn’t normally associate with?
I don‘t do that anyway? Weird preassumptive claim
>you have to make and learn from your own mistakes
I‘m not saying you shouldn‘t try things. You should expose yourself a lot and part of it will include making mistakes. That’s okay. There is no real reason though to reject advice that would help you avoid unnecessary mistakes.
>But everyone is different user
Yup, despite that there are general commonalities, despite exceptions.
>Being more likeable to people who
So if for example you had been cynical and toxic and people would have been turned off by that because it kills their mood, fixing that with the help of advice and introspection is somehow bad?
From the way you articulated your responses I don‘t think you are in the correct headspace to have a productive discussion at the moment.
>To the girls i'm interested in
But if they're not interested in who you naturally are, is that going to work out when elements of who you used to be eventually surface again?
>I don‘t do that anyway? Weird preassumptive claim
Not really, "becoming more attractive in behavior" basically means "trying to fit in" right?
>There is no real reason though to reject advice that would help you avoid unnecessary mistakes.
Okay that's fine, but what does that frog picture actually symbolise when you make a mistake and feel mad, sad, anxious etc? How does it help you (or this other person you agree with)?
>despite exceptions.
Which everyone has. It's the exceptions which people are usually attracted to, the differences that piques people's interest.
>If you were cynical and toxic
Again, not a bad thing to lose but the way this seems to be "fixed" is in "not caring anymore" as is shown in the picture that was posted and also anecdotally it seems to me that PUA (or red-pilling which seems to go hand in hand) encourages practitioners to lose respect for women, to "stop putting them on a pedestal" so to speak. This strikes me as a very cynical and toxic way to handle rejection.
>Headspace
The reasons this isn't being a productive discussion is because you're just saying I'm wrong, projecting and presuming but you haven't actually told me without rhetoric where I'm going wrong in your opinion.
It's all very well to say PUA and other similar topics will make you more likeable, successful, happy, confident, etc but if you don't explain why or summarize the methods used to achieve this then all I can do is presume based on previous experiences.
not me, the "incels" you are going on about.
no one said anything about stereotypes either
Look if you can't be arsed to explain wtf you're actually defending, just tell me what to search for on Google and I'll get myself read up on it.
That will be more productive than going back and forth between my suspicion about PUAs and your (and probably others) defense of how I'm just projecting and I don't know anything about what you haven't even attempted to explain.
>But if they're not interested in who you naturally are
I think you either believe in a very rigid and stationary interpretation of the word personality or you think I‘m changing my personality for girls. I‘m changing things I see as deficiencies. Like being insecure as an example. It‘s like the difference between not taking a shower, wearing ugly clothes, not doing your hair and on the other side actually taking care of your appearance. Did I sacrifice my personality by taking care of myself? Is the dirty unkept self the natural me and girls are supposed to be okay with that? That‘s just an example that can be extended to behavior.
>basically means "trying to fit in" right?
Not at all. I do things that are positive and live out my personality. Some people stick, some don‘t. Only thing I noticed after being more confident and comfortable with myself is more people are drawn to me.
>but what does that frog picture
It‘s just a picture I saved I found funny, lol. It being attached to my post has no meaning, besides having a positive vibe.
>exceptions
An individual has his/her preferences yup. There are still general things that are attractive.
>"not caring anymore"
You wouldn‘t do all of this if you didn‘t care. You are reading too much into the image
>encourages practitioners to lose respect for women, to "stop putting them on a pedestal"
Not putting someone on a pedestal doesn‘t mean you don‘t respect them. You shouldn‘t put anyone on a pedestal regardless of context and it‘s also a leap to equate that statement to the dehumanizing believes the red pill community has towards women. Not putting a girl on a pedestal basically removes neediness, improves confidence and actually treats them more human.
>but if you don't explain why
I did
>or summarize the methods use
That would take so much time man, there is a lot of material. If you are actually curious then read Models or watch the videos by RSDTyler.
>I tidied myself up
Good for you, but lets face it, that advice isn't exclusive to pick up artistry. It's just a part of being an adult. I feel you've chosen that because it's naturally advice no one can refute to distract from the advice that you actually get only from PUA and not just anyone.
>I do things that are positive and live out my personality.
For example?
>besides having a positive vibe.
Seems to me it encourages the avoidance of accepting those emotions and their causes in favour of smugness.
>There are still general things that are attractive.
And do you find them attractive in all women?
>You are reading too much into the image
Maybe, but I'm getting sick of this new age "sorry, not sorry" attitude. That no one does any wrong anymore, everyone else is just a hater or a snowflake. I think that's the reason why common fucking decency has weirdly disappeared from people recently. So it reads to me
>Oh I just got rejected? That hurts..
>No it doesn't I'm actually better than those emotions and the people that tried to cause those emotions
>Go me
>Shouldn't put anyone on a pedestal
But it seems that it swings the opposite way and encourages people to become devoid of any humility. "Got rejected by one? Go out and fuck 100 more" is the jist of what I've heard this amounts to. Over a rejection it's supposed to be a finger to the girl who gave you the feels and apparently a finger to girls in general because you didn't get what you want with 100 victims.
>I did
Nope, you never said "You got that wrong because ", you just keep saying I'm wrong and giving some generic Jow Forums bullshit like "You're projecting, so I win".
>That would take so much time man
Well this WAS a better use of the time you've already spent.
what I am defending is personal improvement, not PUA lifestyle. But like some other user above, I can see the value in some of the stuff that comes from that movement - self-confidence and social skills above all.
Okay checked out RSDTyler, video "Be more SELFISH to pick up hotter girls".
45 seconds in, it's an advertisement about how many drunk girls he picks up...
