I need a conceptual help. So, natsoc is about preserving your own race and country. Knowing that, I'd like to know how it should be applied in Brazil
We have (2012-2016 governamental census*): -44.2% whites (decreasing more than 2% every 4 years) -46.7% mulattoes (increasing more than 1% every 4 years) -8.2% blacks (increasing less than 1% every 4 years)(I might also add that it had a big increase in the last decade because of Haitian immigrants, who most have been sent to South and Southwest, what a (((coincidence)))) *The people declare as what race they belong to, as race is viewed by governamental entities as social constructs. Also, not everyone is consulted, so these numbers might be wrong, to good or bad
Most whites are in the South and Southwest (and always outnumber blacks everywhere in the country) Most mulattoes are in the Southwest and Northeast
With this in mind, how to deal with the racial question? The solutions I could find are the following: a) Make a deal with african countries and deport the blacks with proper state reparation for the losses of abandoning our country to their native one b) Bleach them all
With option a), we would be dealing with ONU (Europe and USA) chimping out at us hard, state reparation would probably lessen the chimping, but it would happen nonetheless. Plus, it might damage the view of the populance on the country, and so it might harden attempts of restauring nationalism and might even incite, at least, a left mind conquest on the population With option b), we can, in +100 years turn Brazil into a majority white country, and for this objective, I'm thinking of state (monetary) incentive to white couples to have more children, achieving an outbreed status and natural bleaching of the society
Now, about the racial question itself, more in an arguing sense agaisnt opposing voices, I'm not sure of what to do. Brazil was colonized by Portugueses, and differently from North America or Spanish America, Portuguese blended in with the natives (thus why this big amount of mulatoes, probably they bleached blacks too, but I don't have much info on that in hands), and the reason why there are so many whites is because of the european (and japanese) immigration we had before and in WW1 and WW2
To sum it up, I'd like to know if, first of all, whitefication of Brazil should happen, and if my solution could work, or if there's a better one, and how to convince the average boomer and 50-70% indoctrinated zoomers into helping to achieve this goal? Would redpilling them on IQ and correlation to violence and overall success by race be an alternative? Are there any better ones?
Also, a curiosity, that might help the discussion. From a 2008 (iirc) census made by some students, it was shown that 200.000 habitants of the South of Brazil were nazi-simpatizers, and with some cauculus I did back then, I came with the number of 1 million to 1.2 million nazi-simpatizer in early 2017, this number might have risen because of the recent political turmoil we had
The race ideal will not work here. The armed forces itself are composed of a vast majority of mulatto and blacks. Your only hope if to base the ideal on nationalism, or national pride, for all independent of race. You have to built a nation identity which embraces the majority of which are mixed race. The 40% white is a fantasy because people don't like to declare themselves pardo and probably most whites have mixed-race dna. The communities on the south are not representative culturally or demographically.
Liam Campbell
Makes sense, but I'm more for "our" mixed race, because if you make your national identity as "anyone who is mixed race", we'll lose our identity. 1 million imported military aged syrians goes to show that
Hunter Turner
Integralism,not every single nationalist movement or "third position" regime needs to be racialist. Go look up cultured thug
Luis Long
I know about integralism, I'm just worried about the IQ issue
Thomas Young
>b) Bleach them all this is what got us in this situation in the first place retard, look up "branqueamento da raça" >let's breed with niggers so we can whiten them in a few generations >it's a good idea goy
Gabriel Fisher
secession down to the individual level. that will generate very healthy discrimination and reinforcement of localized morals which proliferate large white families.
Tyler Price
You built up education to very very high standards, create an actual meritocratic system in place. The lower intelligence people would just work easier jobs,its likely in a true meritocracy the Brazilian whites would take most important positions anyway. Don't fall for the larpers and their ridiculous fantasy, every nation needs an unique approach and not all will revolves around ethnic nationalism.
Matthew Rogers
Look up Turkey for example. They are a mix of a number of different peoples yet they are fiercely nationalistic.
Maybe drop the emphasis on race, focus on a more inclusive concept like “the brazilian people” and religion.
For it to happen you would have to have a group of people who would be the new elite. So you could use my previous statements as the exoteric doctrine such a group would push while esoterically they would be racialists and so on.
Cooper Carter
>-44.2% whites (decreasing more than 2% every 4 years) Really? I thought things were much worse than that. Whites are decreasing by 1,5% ever year in Sweden, so you're doing alright I suppose.
Zachary Cox
Just a clarification, I'm not saying that whites should marry niggers Also, I checked a link to "branqueamento da raça", couldn't understand why it means we in the situation we are I see, thank you RIP Sven
Jace Rivera
Cut their social services and bleach them desu
Hudson Perry
only import the right Africans this time(north africans)
What if you set up a caste system? Brahmins didn't need to be 51% of the population to rule. Maybe replacing democracy is the first step, and from there building a caste system based on race until the white birth rate picks up and the crisis ends. Usually suggesting "lol just end democracy" is a LARP, but maybe you guys have a shot. Your politics seem to be naturally more inclined to authoritarianism than in the West. Maybe you get a guy like Bolsonsero, but not a Zionist.
Carson Hall
To the Brazilians here: What are the odds the South separates? And what has been the main thing preventing that from happening so far?
Aiden Hernandez
There's also a 3erd option >Invest in genetic engineering & artificial wombs
Parker Fisher
Reminder that Bolsonaro us dying right now
Joshua Long
I have studied with some north africans, they are shit and will not assimilate, if we import them, expect us to become something like UK is today, with Sharia Patrol and No Go Zones Yes, but there's the black menace and the rising mulattoes, that's why I was thinking if there should be a new effort of whitefication
Ryan Brown
these immigrants nowadays are the middle and upper class of Brazil, while mutts and blacks are the poor (in the pic Italian immigrants in a factory in São Paulo. )
One other thing I might add is to put emphasis on your similarity to the USA. Present Brazil as the second America or something. Under that basis is much easier to weave together the concepts I previously mentioned. Bolsonaro did this to some extent.
Thomas Roberts
Zero. They have no money to support themselves.
Realistic São Paulo is the only state that could separate from the country
Connor Walker
Can you post a link? All the stuff I find is about the knife attack.
Hudson White
Nah, caste system will get a big social backlash, it would be considered too much of a backward thing, that's why I suggested a state (monetary) incentive, brazilians would approve it easier
Low. In 2017 there was a public-made referendum to see how many would like to separate, 800.000 attended to say yes (considering the South has +23 million habitants). In an older referendum, there was 1 million or so who said yes, so the movement is declining. For the reasons why it is being prevented, brazilian nationalism and dislike between the states that make the South region, and maybe you could add that it's not being well informed, because the ideals of the movement itself is very well organized
Justin Ross
whites in Brazil are ruralists and large corporations who control Brazil since the beginning of the republic (1889),all favelas and poor cities are black and mutts.except for some colonies that have isolated and maintained a strong German and Italian culture in small hidden villages
I want to distance Brazil as much as possible from the US, the people here suck too much american dick, to a point where they trash talk about our contry, not knowing how great we are, and this influences the others to follow this mindless adoration I'll stick with the Turkey example, it's a good one
Lincoln Carter
Support LNT, Integralist Front or even build a Group like Sudderland
Also see That's why some separationist say São Paulo, and even Minas Gerais (where we mine our iron) should secede together with the South region, basically cutting the country in half, and that's just impossible
Noah Baker
Fair enough. I meant the yeasteryear America not the pop-culture hollywood one but I totally get your point.
Julian Sullivan
Yeah I discovered LNT recently, I'll be looking more into them throught this year, but while I dont, I was thinking of creating a whole new movement/ideology made for Brazil only, taking National-Socialism and maybe Integralism as inspirations
Joseph Cooper
Most definitely, it is our country and our race, as mutt as it is. First generation immigrants never fully integrate in a country and quickly disintegrate national identity if welcomed in large numbers, see parts of US as a case study.
Ayden Scott
Unfortunately, it is mathematically inevitable that Brasil will become 100% Mulatto/Negroid by the end of this century.The same will happen to entire Suth/Central America. USA and Canada await the same fate but perhaps little later.
Luis Johnson
The only way for Whites in Brasil to survive is to segregate,which Im assuming is already a reality anyway.
Kayden Kelly
I'd like to see the mathematics for this statement
Lucas Martinez
that's not what national socialism is buddy, it's just what larping retards on this board associate it with. And anyway if you're looking to implement it (or any other system that old) you'll need to revise it. Most realizations of fascism and communism are 50 or more years old, when you still had people putting nuts and bolts on something on an assembly line. Human societies have changed, politically, socially and economically since then, and it's not as simple as forcing things to return to how they were before (you can't). You have to integrate what you think was good or clever about such systems and mold them to fit current circumstances and problems. Consumerism is a good example of a hurdle for any realization of fascism. Fascism seems to be best received when times are hard and there is a perceived imminent external threat. It makes people pull together, lets them justify giving their lives (not in the sense of dying) to a greater purpose. People think very highly of their individual worth these days, and are quite comfortable. Some far-away concern of brown immigration, rising national debts or creeping leftism are hardly visceral and scary threats to the typical person. And the solutions to these problems are hardly palatable for someone who has never experienced real hardship or had to do something violent of brutal. Soft people for comfortable times. Most fascist anons buy into accelerationism for this reason, which might be right but is definitely intellectually lazy
John Campbell
Its simple logic.If only there is lets say 2 % drop of number of Whites each 4 years (which will only increase as time progreses) ,by the end of the century they will be completely gone.Race mixing will take care of it and you cant really stop it.
Lucas Gray
Yeah, I'll try revising it in the following years and apply to the brazilian reality. A global economic crash is about to come, to I'm betting all my tickets authoritarianism will rise and rule again, the sad thing is that brazilians were brainwashed into thinking that all things shall be democratic, and they endure much shit thrown at them, so I think these behaviors will greatly play against the instalation of natsoc or a derivative of it
That's why I said state (monetary) incentive to whites, don't know about other places, but brazilians would take this idea easier with such incentive
Nolan White
What cities are the best to live in Brazil? I visited once and liked Goiania and Santa Catarina state the best. But Im curious of the opinions of the Brazilians here.
Levi Taylor
I didn't travel much outside of my city (Curitiba, Paraná, the state over Santa Catarina), but I'd say Curitiba or the capital/somewhere near the capital of Rio Grande do Sul (state below Santa Catarina), I don't have an opinion on Santa Catarina and Center-West tho, hope a huebro gives a better insight Southeast is pretty fucked up imo, just too much violence and overcrowded Northeast has beautiful places and good food but in it's actual state (high criminality and some terrorist attacks), I'd recommend against living there, the scenario there might change in a near future though
Wyatt Wood
It did work, the south is much better than other places. Why do people like to pretend it did not?
James Lee
Where in the southeast has too much violence?
Jason Jenkins
Everywhere lol But I've heard that in some places of São Paulo it's pretty chill, you'll have to see someone from there to check where in São Paulo is chill
Sebastian Howard
Rio is a broken shithole. ES is a less relevant Rio. SP's capital is sketchy but the smaller towns in the state are alright, the state has the lowest homicide rates and best everything on average. MG ranges from ok to shit from the south to north.
Your best bet is somewhere in SP, PR or SC, just don't expect first world living standards outside fatcat millionaire neighborhoods.
1 - Immediately cease funding dysgenic programs, which take money from whites to promote the reproduction of retarded people.
2 - Invest said money on the exact opposite, thus financially supporting smarter (and whiter) couples to reproduce.
3 - Promote the local autonomy and (ethnic) identity of the states, and impose restrictions on internal migration. This way our taxes won't be stolen by our Northeastern enemies and they won't be able to flood our lands anymore (and ideally, would be deported back to their hellholes). In an even more ideal scenario, we would restructure the Union according to an imperial model, in which these people and states have zero political influence. Also, if I'm just "white" but with no German ancestry, I can't move from the Southwest to the South. But a "German" Southerner could migrate to the "White" Southwest. In fact, that should be incentivized, just as migration from generally "White" states to muttlands. But never the opposite, which is what currently happens.
4 - Whenever confronted with hard data on race, what do Brazilian conservatives rely on, to justify their egalitarian/ multicultural/ dysgenic bullshit? The Bible. This must stop immediately. If we are to still rely on Christianity, two things must be done: First, to unify the country under a single denomination, such that we won't have a different church every corner, most of them under the leadership of retarded mutt sheperds. Second, we must make sure that this version of Christianity is compatible with the survival of our people, and with actual Traditional knowledge. There is little Traditional about our postmodern, brazilified interpretations of Christianity.
5 - Reject the notion of progress, entirely. Return to a traditional, patriarchal societal model.
Joshua Martinez
>44.2% whites (decreasing more than 2% every 4 years) What percentage of Brazil do you think is proper white? Like proper aryan blue eyes blonde hair?
Mason Robinson
5% to 15% at best As a curiosity, there's a town in, iirc, Paraná ou Santa Catarina, where all the kids are born white, blonde hair and blue/green eyes, it's said Mengele had experiments there
Nicholas Lopez
Third point wouldn't stir up secessionist feelings? Specially in Northeast, my ex-navy officer geopolitical teacher told me Northeast is of extreme importance to our country because of the many minerals there are, plus, Saudis wanted to buy great amount of land there, I don't like this idea at all. But I do agree on more restrictions in migration About the forth point, I was thinking Brazil should just create another Catholic church, much like the Byzantines did, and slowly ban evangelics, as they are the cancer our country has And could you elaborate your fifth point?
Connor Campbell
Forgot to add something, if a new church was to be made, it should be Sedvacantists
Kayden Foster
ES has many Pomeranians, there are more Pomeranians in ES than in Europe
Realistically speaking, our best bet is to weather the storm by promoting a substandard form of traditionalism and "nationalism" that includes all races, just like the original brazilian integralists did. That means anti-marxism, anti-gender ideologies, and pro-childbirth policies. Currently, Bolsonaro actually covers some of those bases.
Naturally, this "we're all equal" cuckolding bullshit will mostly be so that we can put traditionalist, classical ideals on the table, because in such a racially diverse country we can't openly proclaim white unity. But because niggers and mulattos would never in a million years embrace tradition, in the end only white couples will embrace nationalism, while blacks will remain stagnant and holding hedonistic worthless parties in their improductive favelas.
This, in turn, will slowly make white brazilians understand the reality of race, as we naturally begin to segregate ourselves due to traditionalist policies.
This is all to hold us on until the global climate changes so that racial science is acknowledged due to the mass invasion of africans into Europe and the United States. Because our government wishes close ties with the US for the sake of trade opportunities, this will further allow our nationalism to thrive.
TL; DR hold the line and improve white birth rates with traditionalism until we can make a return to true nationalism.
Yeah, Bolsonaro isn't good, but at least he opened the nationalist path for us to invest About white couples, are you sure about that? Whites here are as degenerate as the foreign ones, no? And niggers and mulattoes will pop out children like water, and our welfare will cover them, it's kinda worrisome About racial science, Europe is cucked, if more kangz and muhammeds immigrate there, it'll not be awknoledged, unless burger white supremacist invest in it, then we'd have some hope to legitimize it, but they're kinda worrisome too, since most of them look like unironically wanna kill all non-whites, and they view only themselves and some europeans as whites 55chan maybe? You could try for facebook groups, but it might be hard due to language difference
Ryder Price
Mind to provide more insight on this claim? Sure thing liberturd
Robert Stewart
>Mind to provide more insight on this claim? eneas was economically ignorant.it was against the privatization of telecommunications
Ryder Powell
>Whites here are as degenerate as the foreign ones, no?
Holy shit, and here I was thinking I was blackpilled. No, most whites I've seen around my city are educated enough. Most of them fall into cuckolded "all races are equal and we gotta be nice to the niggers killing us", of course, but it's not like a mass awakening can happen so quickly after years of multicultural marxism. The fact that Bolsonaro got elected is still proof that we're slowly making a breakthrough.
Justin Myers
Go with Option B and then pay proper whites like myself to relocate to Brazil and to help in your bleaching efforts.
Dominic Brooks
Why do you people talk about national socialism when its immediately apparent you've never read a single piece of national socialist literature? By people I mean all the larpy internet nazis on this board. Why would German National Socialism apply to Brazil? Are you talking about white nationalism? Because white nationalism isnt National Socialism. National Socialism is German Fascism, above all it was a philosophic conception and economic revolution, not about "preserving your race". The German race was 99% of the population during the Nazi's rise to power. They weren't preserving anything. The idea was to unite a broken nation (literally broken apart after WW1) under a common identity, which was the German language and what Hitler considered the German biological race. It was primarily an excuse to exclude harmful influences in Germany (the Jews) from being citizens and therefore having positions of power in Germany. American White Nationalists need to stop soiling these beautiful 20th century movements with their low iq hollywood Nazi shit.
Noah Adams
AT LEAST IN BRAZIL WE DONT HAVE THOSE FUCKING MUSLINS AND INDIAN SHITTERS. Yep we have mutt people a lot, but they dont have a religion.
It makes sense considering he was a nationalist and probably thought privatized telecommunication would sell your info to foreign agencies (which isn't really out of question) How long do think it'll take for a mass awakening? I'm betting +20 years
Isaiah Lopez
Eneas was a National Socialist or even a Social Nationalist
Jason Carter
We do dude, not indians, but moslems, and not as much as europeans or maybe burgers, but we do. 1 mil syrians from 2017 until near the end of 2018 were immigrated to here thanks to Temer, plus the already quite big community of moslems here, at least in the South We should deport them asap
Nathan Cruz
>I'm betting +20 years
Then we better get to fucking work. People over here on Jow Forums act like normies just suddenly woke up and thought it was a good idea to commit mass racial suicide and give their wives to rapist niggers, rather than the result of over forty years of communist propaganda aided by selfish big corporations that want an obedient race of braindead hedonist consumers hooked on antidepressants.
We're not gonna just wake up one day and have a mass super-united white front ready to fight tooth and nail for the survival of their race. That shit takes time and effort to be built. We win by progressing slowly, like the Mineiros during the civil war.
James Scott
Dude, most of the Brazillian territory is a no-go zone.
Luke Wood
in ES (Brazil) there are many Pomeranians and they only breed with other Pomeranians, for fear of losing their culture and being assimilated
I'll try and create a political party in Paraná in the following years to slowly enforce such values, I hope it triumphs If you live in Hell de Janeiro, São Paulo or Nordeste, then yes, you're right Also, you definitely shouldn't be walking in the streets after 6pm
Aaron Hall
thanks.
Juan Sullivan
Is pay for sex morally wrong
Robert Jackson
Is there any way to make the right people have more kids? the Pomeranians (ES) have a high culture and beautiful architecture in their cities, the southerners too, how do they have a high birth rate? (pic of ES)
Strict parents and fear of rejection by them, that's how my family is with me at least, and I consider myself a great person, the only thing they didn't push me for is marrying whites, they only made sure I didn't marry blacks and preferably not mulattoes too And like I said, I think state (monetary) incentive to white couples breeding will do the trick to revive our white population, but to achieve that, we need to spread the word about nationalism, and with the most close friends, share about reviving the white race in Brazil, and try to get in positions of power
Ryan Howard
You seem politically passionate. Not an insult, I'm just surprised there's someone in this blackpilled hellhole site who's actually getting shit done instead of bitching and moaning about how things aren't going exactly the way they want.
Gavin Bell
Thanks, glad to be recognized by a fellow brother
Nathan Smith
Is pay for sex moral wrong
Luke Collins
Are you okay? Are you having a stroke?
Julian Morales
He's a shill, don't reply
Elijah Fisher
>What cities are the best to live in Brazil? STATES WHERE BOLSONARO HAD MORE THAN 50% OF VALID (+ BLANK) VOTES. PS:Using the first turn is better than using the second because there were alot of shills at this election and someone may think ciro is better than bolsonaro and think bolsonaro is better than haddad, this guy would still be a bluepilled person. PS2: For the sake of simplicity, i am assuming daciolo and eymael are bluepilled votes.
62,844 santa catarina 61,377 roraima 60,056 rondonia 59,914 acre 57,491 df 56,7034 goias 55,537 RJ 54,169 parana 53,996 mato grosso 52,412 mato grosso do sul 51,894 ES 50,788 rio grande do sul 50,1245 SP
treze de maio, is the city where bolsonaro ahd the biggest eprcentage of valid votes (here I am counting only valid votes, because I dont have the other info and wont calculate it for all cities at brazil.)
this city is at santa catarina, the most redpilled state. So if you pick the most redpilled state and then the most repidlled city of this state OR pick straight the most redpilled city the result is the same.
Easton Nguyen
Your whites are not even 20% of the population, the real ones.
agreed, i need a place to share everything that bolso already did for us
Brandon Baker
Is sex for pay wrong moral
James Gutierrez
I'm going to Ouro preto (MG) soon. Any advice? is it dangerous? How white is it (if you can tell)?
Daniel Walker
I vote yes.
Kevin Rivera
Sorry mate, I know nothing about MG, hope a huebro can assist you
Owen Edwards
cool
i dont have the knack to start a thread with links and shit but if noone does it i'll start one tomorrow by 10 am. Hope people gets interested and bring it back to life
Parker Peterson
Ouro preto is cool, just take the regular precautions like not walking around with valuables on sight, and avoid ghettos
Benjamin Gomez
I'd start it, but it's been nearly a month that I didn't touch our politics, so I can't provide a post with links and fun stuff to discuss, but since I'm getting back to uni, I might get invested in it again, so until then, I'm counting on you brothers
Its a really really small town. I don't think it can be dangerous cause its remote. Its a college town and historical one, most people know each other. I don't know how white it is, probably the same as any city in Minas? I forget.
