Do you believe God is necessary for morality?

i don't think there is a female archangel, or even a female angel. aren't they all males? or androgenous?

androgynous*

fully androgynous

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In hindsight you are probably right. People need to believe in a god to have a common understanding of moral principles, but do we know that god isn't dead and we live in a post-apocalypse / ragnarok, where the enlightened / Lucifer is the god, that wrote the bible and Koran .... That would explain, why the story of the relationship of god and the human species is a constant strain of failures

Even if there wasn’t, things like degenarcy are still a threat to an ordered civilization that doesn’t devolve into lunacy/barbarism/or anamalism.

Muslims worship the same God as Christians

without God there is no morality.
God is the supreme scarecrow that keeps low IQ people from committing crimes.
If you are 100% sure that you can benefit from killing someone and the police will never catch you, you are gonna do it unless the supreme scarecrow threatens you not to.
But ofc, this is for the Christian God, your God says Paedophilia is cool...

No religion worships the same God

Morality is evolved as a feature of social creatures, most of us are either born with it or are very receptive to receiving moral framework from the society around us. We are also rather good at course-correcting an odd psychopath here and there that is needed to make amoral decisions for the good of the tribe.
It's all so gracefully fitting together. Even our tendency to attribute our evolved morality to some higher being for it to "stick" to the young'uns.

Yes.
If there is no standard, all things are relative to your own opinion.

You ultimately end up with might makes right.
God is mightier than you are, so the sooner you get on board with plan Jesus, the easier it is on you.

To be safe for all eternity:
A: Admit that you are a sinner, who violates the Will of God, and that you need a Saviour.
B: Believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah, died for you sins and rose again, as prophesied and recorded in the Word of God. Trust in His finished work.
C: Call on His name, ask Him to save you, and confess that He is Lord.

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>you are gonna do it
Some races have more empathy than others and simply behave morally on that basis alone.

Muslims Christians and Jews all worship the God of Abraham

True but not in the same way and they believe very different things about what God wants

Then it’s just different interpretations of the same God, like Jupiter to Zeus

You kid is hungry, I have food and don't want to share.
Your kid dies tonight.
There's no food, we are in a desert.
There is no Law.
There is no God.

Behave morally now.

This is called being a psychopath. You have no empathy for others, so if the punishment is suddenly to vanish, you have no reason not to become a cruel monster, where you would feel more at home. I am glad that historically people like you have been muzzled by religion.

If he doesnt wanna share then he's not a member of the same race. Killing someone of a different race is moral.

I'm a boomer and in a world with less religion we got:
>37 genders
>sjw faggotry everywhere
>males becoming females and participating in female sports
>abortions right before birth
>trying to normalize pedophilia
>Drag Kids on Netflix
>LET THEM IN mentatlity
Seriously, atheists are a fucking plague on the world.

This. AKA The Golden Rule, the root of all ethics. It's not one bit supernatural, it's just logical game theory. The Jews perpetual sin is thinking they can cheat it.

Are you telling us that the only reason you're against fornication and sodomy is because your holy book says it?

Yeah, Muslims are right: atheism is a mental disease.

Yes

Yes and no i'm culturally Muslim but the whole people of the book thing is far fetched and only muslims say it despite having a religion that differs greatly from judeo-christian scripture

No. But, without God, who would judge?

Morality is socio-evolutionary trait. There's no objective morality and it's been changing over time. For better or worse it's constantly changing and unless we end up at the point of no return and cross it, completely destroying ourselves the morality will stabilize once the retards die off.

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How do you deal with the fact that religious texts are fabrications? I believe in God but I think we're at a pivotal moment in society where we have to come up with a system of objective morality based off sociological evidence.

Logic. But I understand this might not work for everyone. So many people need a book of rules (or laws), to not act like pieces of shit.

Morality doesn't exist, even if God does.

lmao your kids are going to believe in a masonic ancient aliens cult

I can prove there is a God. One easy step. Compare Jesus' life to the story of Jonah (Jesus compared himself to Jonah in the New Testament).
Jonah: Sent by God to warn the town of Nineveh. If they do not repent, their town will be destroyed after 40 days. (This number will be important in the following sentence)
Jesus: Sent by God to warn the town of Jerusalem, in 30 AD. They did not repent, and their town was destroyed after 40 years, in 70 AD.
This is what Wikipedia says about the day-year concept.
"While not listed as primary precedent by the proponents, a direct reference to the day for a year concept is established in Genesis."
Do you deny that Jerusalem was attacked by roman forces in 70 AD? Do you deny that Jesus proclaimed his message in 30 AD? If not, this should be proof that God punished Jerusalem for rejecting Christ. There is no way to debunk this. God is real.

the bible is unironically a well backed up historical document. the new testament anyways.

I cant believe that some of u retards believe in God.

you could form an objective morality but it would be flexible and you would end up talking yourself into doing bad things through rationalizations.

Dude that doesn't prove anything if anything that's a good example of causation not equating to correlation. Religion is a fabrication but theres a big possibility of the existence of a "God" and no proof of an afterlife. The stories can be used as allegories for real world purposes like living in a hellhole if a community behaves unethically or living in heaven if a society is ethical and values beauty

There is a God and you are going to burn in his hell for all eternity

No, but metaphysics are. Which is pretty much what people who aren't literalists/dualists describe as "God".

That doesnt make it any less of a fabrication. It just puts them in the category of historical fiction.

>there is no objective morality

The absence of objective morality is impossible, because the statement "objective morality is wrong" is an objective statement.

so its just a coincidence that jerusalem was sacked exactly 40 years after jesus came? this is exactly what God would do if he was real and out to punish israel
Numbers 14:34 For forty years--one year for each of the forty days you explored the land--you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.'

>non-sequitur arguments
lol

But yet you abide the Christian laws because you grew into them , if you where a poor fag born in africa you would have less problems with stealing from the rich

Large cities in those times get besieged/destroyed by natural disaster every other decade you manlet arab.

Yeah its literally a coincidence why would anyone think otherwise.

It presupposes a fucking ton of ontological shit. Fucking mimicry won't validate your belief that secularism can exist outside of a culture that believes in a God. Eventually one without one will just be invaded and overtaken by a stronger culture that enforces its own beliefs through theocratic jurisdiction. Only through Christianity is secularism even allowed at this point.

White people think they can, because they're fucking dumb. You and i know very well what lies deep within, "brother".

because it closely resembles nineveh. only a bluepilled npc would think this is a coincidence

Poverty is sacred.

You don't want to think too much about anything, trust me.

Obey or go to Hell forever, there's your fucking morality faggot.

You need a benevolent dictator, i know you think you don't, White people. But trust me, you do.

The only thing required for morality to exist is two consciousnesses trying to agree on ways to act around each other.

God would know the most beneficial moral axioms for us to take and the best ways to go about them, which is the closest thing to morality being objective I have thought of

stop bullying that pupper

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Humz seems i was wrong and you are red pilled after all

In other words there is no God only Nature, but then when you realize "oh wait, The Supernatural is real" you're like "maybe" and once you realize demons are real you're like "yeah, probably". Fag.

LMFAO, you think you're such hot shit you have no idea how bad it's going to get.

Religious texts are simply history+esoteric fiction
God has no control over mans action the world is much more random

fun fact

God gave the jews 40 years to repent and btfo them hard

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70_CE)
>According to Josephus, 1.1 million non-combatants died in Jerusalem, mainly as a result of the violence and famine. Many of the casualties were observant Jews from across the world such as Babylon and Egypt who had travelled to Jerusalem wanting to celebrate the yearly Passover but instead got trapped in the chaotic siege.[1]
He also tells us that 97,000 were enslaved.[1]

Okay, taking God out of the question, fornication is still bad because it breaks the nuclear family which is bad for society, and sodomy is still bad because it spreads disease due to having your dick in literal shit.

Fuck society and use a condom. There.

We're not all just going to agree that we give a shit about society, you don't get it fuckface, nobody gives a shit about society in the abscence of God.

How fucking dumb are you people?

The AI, a meteorite, something. This shit is all pointless.

Allah is literally not God.
God consists of God the Father and of God the Son, Jesus the Christ. According to Muslims, God is one. Your God and Our God can never be the same, not even remotely.
Stop claiming our faith has anything to do with your religion.

Allah called himself the greatest of deceivers. But our God only works in Truth.

technically you can have your own
Reality shows that people need to be told what is moral and not, and be obedient, or else they aren't moral

thank you user for this reminder

Demons are manifestations of metaphysical concepts than exist on the "plane of ideas". It's just that we don't have words that describe them properly, so we give them names and describe them with traits.
Look at Baphomet, who represents a disgusting effect of trying to mix two opposites and put an end to dualism; a goat-headed shemale.
I do believe in the Supernatural.

THIS THIS THIS

Anyone who says "power won't corrupt ME" IS A FUCKING IDIOT. We literally need a BENEVOLENT SKY DICTATOR JUST IN CASE.

Shit is THAT bad. It's all bad.

>Imagine there was no God.
This isn't physically possible. It would make more sense to say "Imagine there was no humans"

Yeah, or maybe there's like actual fucking demons out there. Retard.

Because why not.

>implying society is good
>implying the nuclear family is good
why aren't we creating a hypersexualised world where literally everybody fucks literally everybody. There's no reason not to do that.

if anything the morality inherent to us is decreasing, as the time passes, our emotions which are our moral compasses, will slowly as the rudimentary organs they are, fade out for a completely rational argumentation.
Morality as an evolutionary aspect, insofar it exists, is probably having a smaller and smaller effect each generation.

I've noticed that most of you White people don't truly understand power, you're like... ugh... "good". What a bunch of faggots.

>why aren't we creating a hypersexualised world where literally everybody fucks literally everybody. >There's no reason not to do that.

It's cumming.

What the fuck are you even talking about you stupid half-nigger. Are you still pissed off about that Spain hate thread?

no of course not but Christianity gave us all concepts of modern morality an It hink it has been taken to extremism

>if anything the morality inherent to us is decreasing

Did your parents molest you, or let someone?

Christianity absolutely didn't give us all the concepts of modern morality, religion and Christianity is inherently immoral.

Spec 4 the digits

>God consists of God the Father and of God the Son, Jesus the Christ
god does not consist of anything.
This trinitarian thing is unconvincing through and through.

I'm talking about the same shit i'm always talking about: you're all literal serial killers/malicious narcissists/demons deep down inside, no exceptions. Not if you're on Jow Forums. At least i admit it, guess i still have some hope there's maybe something "out there". Some faith.

You know what i hope? i hope Hell is real, the other shit i don't care about just make Hell real.

yes it did on the basis of "we are created in Gods image" thus we are all the same inherently and open borders etc

The only thing necessary for morality is purity. Pure thoughts, compassion, forgiveness, the passion to make yourself and the world around you a better place for like minded people. That's what God wants you to do. Satan wants you to do the exact opposite (destroy, hate, suffer).
It's really simple and I recommend just thinking of God as a concept of the ultimate good, not so much as a supreme being that you serve

>religion and Christianity is inherently immoral.

Do tell.

jesus christ did you seriously forget to mention the Holy Spirit

but why

Every European has blood of countless serial killers flowing in their veins. We got so fucking bored of murdering each other we started looking for more shit to kill outside of our continent, and Spaniards being retards made rape babies like you. If it wasn't for the fact that killing each other got kind of stale after a couple thousand years and we decided to explore a bit you wouldn't exist.
As a non-white you should pray we don't wake up one day and decide to colonize your asses again, it would be so funny seeing Spaniards rape your women again

No, morality is based on survival. Even animals have social structures and morality. Animals have not read the bible.

I earlier labeled us as neurotics, but there are various manifestations of that condition.

urugay nigger is a schizophrenic don't waste much time on him

Neither did they build houses with central heating and air.

>Do you believe God is necessary for morality?
That's easy. Compare West 50 years ago to West now.

Wait, you just left out the Farther.

No fuckface, it's a Supreme Being that you serve, don't be getting any bright ideas about freedom or any of that other faggot shit. You don't get to be evil.

Don't buy the "free will" spiel, that's all bullshit. The Guy is full of shit but guess what? so is everyone else. It's all bad, we're all evil. You can only be "less shitty".

There is no "good". Why? because why limit yourself? that's why.

Because i'm a nice person, retard.

Yadda yadda is that a copy pasta? i think i saw that before. You're a bunch of faggots, kid. Your only advantage is genetic and God-given, if you didn't have it we would have killed you all by now - signed a Moor.

Have fun being chosen, shithead.

You're not "secretly good", abandon all hope.

holland nigger is a schizophrenic don't waste much time on him