How do you justify having children...

Is this physique achievable natty?

Do you need a rational answer for self-continuation and self-propagation? Psychologically healthy people seek to do it because they are hard-wired to do it. What further explanation do you want?

If everyone thought and felt as you do, the human race would die out.

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Then do your duty and kill yourself.
But no, you pathetic anti-natalists don't have the courage to put your money where your mouth is. You'll lament the environmental damage humans cause, bitch about consumption, despair over the suffering of life, propound an ideology that justifies pointless slaughter, but never follow through and actually kill yourselves. Fucking hypocritical cowards, all of you.

>All people have a natural desire to reproduce
no; reworded to be accurate rather than false and stupid -
>most people tend to want to fuck other people

children are a consequence of that
children are not why most people fuck at all

>Justify

Going to assume you mean in a general sense

interesting choice of word. How do I Justify planting a tree? How do I justify writing a book? I'm not sure you know what that word means!

Now if you said how do I justify killing someone or how do I justify stealing that would make more sense.

why does asking you to explain why you think "the survival of humanity" is important carry all that shit you just attached to it?
people can ask you that question and be rabid anthropocentrists

>trying to cope this hard after having shit faced kids from some shallow whore who couldn’t close their slut legs
>not realizing the same bitch would easily hide the fact those kids aren’t even yours
>this retarded and would try to justify all of it

>The greatest bodybuilder of his era
>Some guy on Jow Forums asking if he can be the next Arnie

>let it all die out
He said. Want to know how I know you're retarded?

ITT: butthurt pro natalists/ well adjusted normies

GTFO

You are literally retarded. Not suprising for a fellow burger. Fuck you. Learn english, then promptly learn to grow more brains.

To increase the strength of the tribe and crush our enemies.

>How do I Justify planting a tree? How do I justify writing a book?
Typically you'd say "because you want to". Whether those constitute a justification that OUGHT to be accepted is a different matter. You surely understand that having children carries with it moral implications that - it can be understood to thus (maybe) require an actual moral justification.

Finally the right answer.

Today, we have no tribe. Most of us. Here in ZOG jew land.

if everyone in the world just decided to not fuck ever again starting tomorrow, or otherwise take actions that would beget children, would that be some kind of moral travesty?
because in that scenario, everyone WOULD die out, because everyone DOES die out - it's just that there are usually other people who are still alive after they're gone
see how that can be the case non-maliciously?

>literally
>literally
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Beta male who talks like a dumb slut AND he's mad! Please keep talking!

4chins btfo

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The traitors have made it too dangerous to have children these days. The corrupt police won't protect them, and the traitor politicians took our guns. I hope the Muslims rape the shit out of middle class Leftist kids, to punish their parents for betraying us.

There are no males in that picture.

I don't

Can't you see the potential we have as a species? We can conquer the galaxy, maybe even go beyond that. We just have to terminate anything that holds us back, sociologically and biologically speaking

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Ever heard of this thing called biology?

>survival of humanity

It matters to some, but not others. Personally, I would prefer absolutely all life on earth perish before shitty Marxism spreads to the universe.

I do hope the ET's are paying attention. They'd be right to waste the whole rock before it's too fucking late.

>look, I can frame the complete annihilation of the species as a good thing!
Honestly, if you believe this, then you have a duty to kill yourself. Even more frightening, you have a duty to kill as many people as you can first, in order to reduce human suffering and bring about humanity's end. This ideology is an existential threat to everything you know and love. All the toil and suffering and blood of your ancestors, all they sacrificed, every single one stretching back before the first humans, to time immemorial - all of it so a whiney fucking memeflag could champion complete destruction and ruin and feel good about it.
Do us all a favor and feel good about when your 6ft under, and get there as quickly as possible.

*tripfag, not memeflag

I like myself. Not in a narcissistic fashion necessarily, but I am merely content with my being. Most of that formation is based genetically. If I want to increase the amount of what I perceive to be good in the world, one way is to act good. Another is to effectively clone myself by reproduction to increase the amount of people in the world, onward into the future, with the same genes that made me good.

If you can’t get behind such a sentiment, don’t reproduce. But don’t try to convince people like myself to NOT breed, Schlomo. We’ll be happy keeping the world turning tomorrow when you’ve long since turned to dust

ETs would be communist though
only way to explore and advance is maximum cooperation and being synchronized

who is doing something immoral?
everyone just happens to stop fucking, of their own volitions - which people are doing something that you would go up to them and say "you are evil"?
all of them?

>you have a duty to kill as many people as you can first, in order to reduce human suffering
dude, no one is saying anything about this - I can guess where you're coming from, and I SYMPATHIZE with being against nonsense anti-human shit like environmental nutjobs, but those aren't positions inherent to the question

>justify having children
When you're thinking along those lines, you're in a state of neurosis. It's a dysfunction. Your mind has overcomplicated the most natural thing in the world.

>Race must go on, even if it doesn't know where!
>R. A. Heinlein

What would be the argument not to have children? The state of the world today? It's a common used argument and its a flawed one. Who are you to decide if the next generation lives on or not. You are kind of obligated to have kids if you are able to. You need to produce strong offspring that manifests in a proper way so the world can keep existing an humanity can prosper. Your offspring has the right to bare the burden of life. And voluntarily engage in this nasty world with straight shoulders.

what the fuck?
You were never a child? No one gave you anything? Even an Education, who taught you to shill?

Childfree people over 45 wouldn't get shit for services in muh country if I were in-charge. They go to an empty old folks home devoid of younger people because they didn't do their part.

Remember, life is a gift if you don't think so kill yourself.

Reread OPs post, and tell me it has nothing to do with extinction.
I'm happy to hear you aren't an anti-natalist, but you're not much better being le radical centrist. Take the ideology at hand to its next logical steps. The question at hand seeks to justify human extinction by laissez-faire methods. If one agrees, the next step is to argue for targetted policy. The step after that is expedite it in any way possible. The step after that is justification for indiscriminate slaughter. If you don't see where this is going, you're blind.
>inb4 muh slippery slope!
The past decades have confirmed that the slippery slope is very real.

How do you justify not having children?
Why do my children need to pay for you having your ass wiped? Hm?
My children are my biggest contribution and gift to the world.
Nothing I ever do at work or otherwise will have as great of an impact as them.
You are a looser OP.

Since this is a stupid topic lets make a small riddle.
Pic related is 3 generations.
Can you see which one is the granny?
As you can see, having kids early only has benefits

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If someone doesnt like living, they can quit any time

>How do you justify having children?
>It is one thing I can never get a rational answer since its such a selfish and emotionally charged topic
Can you tell me which of these is an advocation of anyone doing something immoral?
All it would take for "extinction" is for people to just not fuck.
That's it - that would result in no humans (barring other uncommon means of arriving at more humans) being alive after a century or so.

I'm completely pro-human. I'm a Christian - I believe human life is sacred and that we have a duty to God to be good to other humans. But I really see nothing objectionable anywhere in this example of mankind ending. If everyone just decided to not fuck, I don't think anyone would be doing anything wrong - it's not a sin to not fuck. Just this particular example is what I'm talking about.

Well let's say having children did carry moral implications, which children would require justification? All? Just the ones who have shitty parents? Even if the parents raise a responsible and functioning member of society?

>why does the surviva of humanity matter though?
Imagine tens of thousands of years (or maybe even longer, who fucking knows) of this little faggots ancestors.
Battling every day, fighting to survive and pass on the bloodline.
All to just have this faggot end it all with his crying
>ohhh noo, what does it matter though??? boo hooo
You are a faggot OP. Jew fucked your mind.
Why were you born then? If all has no meaning why didnt you off yourself already then and waste everybodies time.
Like I said, total looser.

>All?
I'd imagine that would have to be the case if there are moral implications in having children(.)
I'd proffer that one moral implication is that you have duties toward your children, and that if you have reason to believe that you can't fulfill such duties that it could at least possibly be immoral to engage in activities that might beget the children you don't believe you could fulfill your responsibilities toward.

>My children are my biggest contribution and gift to the world
kek he actually convinced himself of this
>As you can see, having kids early only has benefits
being cucked from and pulled into a ball and chain of being busy and freedomless does have its benefits, huh jung? tell me more.

most people love their children, and feel good about having their children in their lives and making their children happy

you don't have to like the idea of having children in the abstract, but it's pretty clear that most people who do have children nevertheless tend to love them and want them around

lmao imagine being a genetic dead end billions of years in the making, destined to die alone while niggers abuse you in a retirement home.
>but muh overpopulation
that's okay Chang and Mkembe will make 8 each

that is what I mean these responses like an organism. it is contrary to the rational logical mind. we are just bugs. if you crack this question it all tumbles with it.

basically you have no survival instinct and are mentally impaired

>hurrr npc hurrr me too intelligent
Every single one of these threads goes exactly the same
>how can you justify having children
>lmao op is a dead end and should just kill himself
>because I like having children
>op then spends the rest of the thread stating how intelligent he is and how he isn't an npc
You guys are honestly just so fucking boring.

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That flag has is ironic, Hitler was all about breeding, friendo.

Back to r9k with you edgyfag, this board is 18+

>rational logical mind. we are just bugs.
>We are just bugs
>let it all die out desu senpai
Peak intelligence high IQ guy right there.

Why do you have a nazi memeflag while arguing against kids?

>kek he actually convinced himself of this
I am. Nothing matters more to me. Its what will remain.

This stood out though:
>freedomless
Tell me. which "freedoms" do you enjoy that are supposedly more important than having children? Go on.
And another question:
Are they worth rotting alone at old age, because I dont want my children to pay for your wrinkly ass?

Extinction is an existential threat you absolute faux-intellectual brainlet. Morality enters into it when people spread and propagate ideologies of death and destruction, you fucking moron.

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>Extinction is an existential threat
In the example of people just willingly not fucking?

>We are just bugs

Okay chinaman.

People I’ve seen get old without children tend to be much sadder, their lives emptier. Also, I’d love to bring new life into this world and watch them grow and learn and contribute to society. So yeah, call me selfish or whatever

taking care of you in old age is pure selfishness. you can just blow your brains out at that age.
also a lot of these outlooks are pure hedonism, not spiritual
humanity is pure evil, a ruthless blood thirsty tournament for money and doninance, nothing more
only hope is some kind of communist transhumanist utopia which will end in total disaster. imo we all must not reproduce as an alternative to the terrifying machine god that is coming.

Yes. Yes it is. We are transient in time, our lives here are short, and we are more than just ourselves, we *are* our families, our ancestors, and our communities.
The death of us all is the death of us all. What's stopping you from grasping this? Death neex not come from a blade or a bullet you stupid nigger.

I think your right that the biological drive is stronger the the philosophical one. It’s like drinking cola, there’s no logical benefit anymore, but we do it because our brain trick us into thinking it has value.

The most important thing you can do for yourself is keep your life in order. It is in your interest to be competent and hardworking if nothing else. Do people in your life trust and respect you? Are you capable of raising children who become successful adults? What does your family think of you? Internet politics don't have to be the only factor of your life. And if you can't achieve these basic things for yourself, then the chances are very high that you are not ready to be a political activist, either online or in real life. Because how can you make a difference for the race, for the lives of many, if you can't even make anything of your own life? How can you make a real difference in society, when the greatest extent of your capacity is to be out-organized by jews on social media?

Always remember: we live in first world countries and have opportunities that most people born on this planet do not. Things aren't as good for us as they were for our parents. But billions of people in the third world would still kill to have the opportunities that you do right now. So take care of yourself! Work your ass off, every day, to build a good life for you, and for your family. You have the power to create yourself. Clear your mind of self destructive thoughts, and keep yourself focused on realistic goals. Work hard, but also do fun and wholesome things with real people, in real life. That's very important. Nothing on a screen should ever take away from your real life.

>Yes. Yes it is
so you'd have to maintain that it is sinful or otherwise evil to not fuck
that someone is a bad person if they don't either stick their dick in a wet hole, or get a dick stuck in their wet hole, or otherwise get bodily fluids and reproductive organs conjoined

that seems really crazy dude

You called yourself a Christian. Why do you think the Lord commands us to go forth and multiply?

because there were two people and Christ was yet to come

No this is exactly how you think. The reason why your parents reproduced is because it is in their genes to do so. The reason why every single living being is reproducing is because it is in their genes to do so. If it wasn't in their genes to do so, then they wouldn't reproduce, which means they would have died out a long time ago.

Reproducing is essential for our survival, and our survival is essential for our well-being. If it wasn't essential for our well-being, then we wouldn't care about our survival, and the fact that we are alive is absolute proof that we care about our survival.

TL;DR You can't achive true happiness without having children. Or at the very least securing a safe future for your tribe, so atleast they can reproduce if you for some reason can't.

I hope they kill you you narcissistic faggot

Stop playing the commies game. You don't need reasons.

Family is a type of property. You are permitted to have property with or without the commies permission.

>yes goy it is selfish to have children
>we should save space for the replacement population
Wow that's a really good point rabbi I will go tell my girlfriend to have an abortion tomorrow.

Having children doesn't have to be justified, nor is it selfish to take on the responsibility of parenting. That is literally the most selfless thing you can do, to raise and nurture another human being.

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Did Jesus tell you to stop?
It's late, and I need to sleep.
Honor your mother and father.

Killing yourself could have potential karmic repercussions, choosing not to bring another consciousness into this realm of pain and suffering would not

14 words nigger.
It's about the future and genetic lineage.

Things might be awful now but they WILL get better eventually. What good would that be if there are no more white europeans?

>Having children doesn't have to be justified
but if you believe having children entails moral responsibilities - which you seem to believe is the case - then it would have to be justified in cases where you didn't believe you could fulfill those responsibilities

>Did Jesus tell you to stop?
he certainly didn't tell anyone they must keep at it, and the apostles weren't recorded as having any children at all

>why does the surviva of humanity matter
it doesn't , he's a maniac
even your neighbor don't give a shit about you

think so, afaik they only took roids before the competition to look their best

>My children are my biggest contribution and gift to the world.
>Nothing I ever do at work or otherwise will have as great of an impact as them.
lul look at this guy, your kid will be wage slaves and prob kts

The only reason to have kids: so that they may fight the Jews after I have passed

>Battling every day, fighting to survive and pass on the bloodline.
nigger pls, they just wanted to fuck , same as you btw

Arnold was not legit.

He has so many health problems now and he mentioned his heart is fucked up these days.

well he doesn't look like that these days

Can't justify it if you have shit genes like me if not then you are not thinking about the future of your species.

1. Morality is a purely an evolutionary adaptation that results in pro-social behavior
2. Therefore, any anti-natalist morality is inherently defective and destined to die out

I'm okay with being alive and I like family, so yeah. It's the best thing in life.

It is the human answer to godly/elven/transhuman immortality. In many ways, it is superior, like, for example, it allows the damage sustained in one life to be discarded periodically.
By not making more of yourself (with a comely wench), you are denying life to yourself, while someone else will take your place, your home

it is the highest IQ position and why jews and academics are so antinatalist. when you know the truth, you know it. only people with a pt might be hedonists, lifes a party, the rest are lying to themselves

I have seen so many of my friends and familys kids turn out to be total useless garbage, i have no regrets for having none.
One friend has literally kept himself poor paying child support our entire adult lives and will likely die poor and is on the hook till he is nearly 65.
Oldest one has tatttoo's and fucks niggers and is pregnant. Prime candidate for a late term abortion imo.

You are like the Panda bear--to dumb to be useful, and too retarded to see the logic in perpetuating its own Gene's. When a creature can no longer see the value in sexual reproduction, it is dead.

This guy gets it

Rationally? It’s the only reason for existence. If you fail at your one and only biological imperative, truly there can be no bigger failure than that.

My children will make the world a better place to line in.

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*live