Today the illegal referendum that took place on October 1, 2017 will be sent to trial by the Supreme Court of Spain, one of the most important trials of Spanish recent history.
>Spain says 'disinformation’ surrounds Catalan separatists’ trial
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>Catalan leaders' lawyer attacks 'vaudeville' case as trial begins
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>More than 40,000 Spanish nationalists protest against government talks with Catalan leaders
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Punish those cucks with worst thing possible.
Let them have fun while they can.
>more than 40000
seemed like much more than 40k
the lying media at it again
Lefty catacucks btfo
daily reminder that cucktalans are evil:
>40 years of indoctrination and linguistic immersion in schools and universities, which have become separatist factories
>reinvent the history to their liking, when they're never been a nation, country or reign (see Crown of Aragón)
>try to annex valencia, baleares, and part of aragon and france, because muh paisos catalans (another false invention)
>impose their dead dialect in schools, administration, government, etc. and fine bussinesses who label in spanish
>40 years blackmailing the spanish government and getting more money, benefits and infrastructures that the rest of spain but complain that 'spain steal us'
>harass non-secessionists, police, magistrates, everyone that dont think like them, often with violence, using their own gestapo (mossos), complain that they're being opressed
>say that they're genetically superior to spaniards, when 99% of people in cataluña have spanish ancestors
>become BFF with basque terrorists, which were killing catalonians few years ago, and create their own terrorist groups (CDRs)
>break the law again and again, making their own illegal laws, use public funds to organize an illegal referendum with no control, using previously filled ballot boxes, counting only the votes they wanted, people voting several times each
>declare independence for 8 (EIGHT) seconds, then flee like cowards from Spain when justice comes knocking on their doors
>try to put the international community and public opinion against spain, saying that we are fascist opressors, when they are the fascists
>say that we are violating their human rights, that there is political prisoners, when we are one of the most complete democracies in the fucking world
I could go on and on, but you get the idea, dont let them fool you
This, Spanish nationalism is on the rise and it will btfo every other kind of nationalism in Spain. Good times ahead lads.
Can you give me a tldr, Santiago ?
Wow... all of them are lies. Your mistake Manolo is thinking everyone is as stupid as yourself.
You need a very low IQ to believe that senseless shit.
they beat them they stole 95% of ballot boxes they tried to blockade people from getting their and still over 40% of the total residents cast a yes vote for independence/self determination, with 90%+ of all voted that survived Spanish attempts to stop democratic process being in favor of independence.
Spain then proceeded to lockup the people that officiated the vote because democracy and the will of the people populism extra are evil in the wage slave era
State your case and refute his points or stfu
See it’s just like Quebec here
But like Quebec here if they’re so annoying why not just let them leave? There’s a whole saying that if the rest of the provinces could have voted in the Quebec separation referendum we would have voted to kick them out
Vox is pro zionist fuck off retards
because they are just a loud minority, more than 50% of catalans dont want to leave spain, its just a crazy bunch of totalitarian retards, the press puting them on TV 24/7 and our faggot government that lets them do as they wish. cataluña its been spanish for centuries and we will not surrender to those separatist commie retards. if they want to leave they can fuck off to a desert island, because cataluña is rightful spanish clay
Except that you're bullshitting.
Catalonia was always the economically strongest region of Spain on which the rest of you manananiggers piggyback for as long as the living can remember. You struggle to erase catalonian cultural heritage and try to brand their tongue as dead. And having "spanish ancestors" is not such a scalding truth as you would think - catalonians are spanish, you're a moor mutt.
I see what you're trying to do, because I've seen it happen. My homeland's culture was labeled 'dead' and replaced by the culture of Romanian refugees running from the muslims with a can of Slovak paint dumped on it. Fuck you, communist cunt
You should google the "history" the muttalonians have been promoting too, shit is hilarious and they made up 950 years of history to justify their agenda
All of that it's a lie. Truth is Spain without catalans and basques would be a third world country. Every spaniard deep inside knows this so they're terrified of being on their own once our money stop flowing.
He says that about "spanish ancestors" because Franco brought here milions of spaniards to dilute us. The typical ethnic replacement, if you can't change how the population thinks you change the population you know.
Those spanish gibmigrants are the ones who don't want indpendence while we all catalans want it. They're are also poor and dirty and very stupid.
Fuck catalonians
Pro zionist with iranian financiation, are you retard? It only shows somewhat support into the israel against palestine position to appease the right wings of this country that are full pro israel.
But if you think a party that gets Tons of money from iranian regime is pro jews you are really retard
Spanish mutt audiotape stuck in a loop
>denial
www.voxespana.es/vox-israel-y-oriente-medio
Faggot shill
I can't hear you with your mouth full of Bosnian cock user
Lets spend most of the money developing infrastructure in catalunia for centuries and suddently is the most prosperous. Who could imagine? Noe they want to leave without owing a lot debt to the spanish goverment and they want that debt to be "magically" forgive
Their mentality is true of a 5 years old, and if you see a lot of their response ie the guy above me, they will use the "you are so stupid to understand" rather providing any non-maked up fact
Arguin with an independentist catalonian is really like speaking with a six years old kid
What i stated, they want the right wing vote that in spain means "being pro israel" they receive iranian financiation.
That would be the dumbest thing iranian would ever made, funding a pro zionist party
>for centuries
You have no idea how the previous governments work, don't you.
>debt to the spanish government
so you're thieving from the labor of a more powerful region, and instead of lifting your ass and reducing that 50% youth unemployment to 49%, you bitch about being poor
Arguing with spanish nationalist communists is like arguing with niggers.
>whitey robbed afrika
>we don't own money for the tractors and fertilizer whitey gave us
>without whitey, afrika would be rich
>*dies from drinking water*
www.voxespana.es/vox-israel-y-oriente-medio
Look rosario monasterio tweets about jews and palestinians
Also she is cuban-spanish kek
Both you and the user with the Cat flag need to state the case and provide evidence. So far, your comments on the Franco era migration of Spaniards to Catalonia bolsters Spanishanon"s point on the Catalan's sense of genetic superiority. Paraphrasing another of Spanishanons posts: if you've got a point to make, state it and provide evidence.
Typical spanish mentality. Everything is the product of superior entity that develops your land and puts factories here and there, everything has to be given to you or taken from others otherwise you're unable to do anything by yourself. You guys are so subhuman that the thought of a place evolving because of the hard work and entrepreneurial character of its inhabitants doesn't cross your mind. Truly the mentality of a low IQ shitskin.
Bahahahah fucking Manolo, sad because you can't even have an industry of your own? We had industry long before the modern spanish state emerged, you moron, so shut the fuck up
Implying forcing spaniards to buy catalonian textiles while hollands ones were cheaper just becouse otherwise "catalonians would go bankrupt" and offering catalonians privileges in the atlantic and pacific trade doesnt count to you
Also franco encouraging the catalonian and basque economy in detriment of other parts of spain neither xounts to you fucking cstalonian faggot
If you want to defend your shitty make up state come back to spain and fight for it you tard
I think this is the right place to post this
What i stated you tard, they will side with the jew side against palestinians to appease right wings voters
Now stop shilling, vox is the best that happend to spain in a while
Españoles, sois unos mierdas, haha
Evidence of what? It's actually the opposite, spanish gibmigrants have an inferiority complex towards us because we're the prosperous natives while they're the retards who had to come here because they were too stupid to develop their own land. The same inferiority complex economic immigrants have exist all over the world so it's nothing particular of Catalonia, and neither the natives have anything to do because it's all in the gibmigrant's mind.
Not providing not even one argument in the whole tread " muh catalonian superiority" " muh subhumans manolos" you really have the complex and the attitude of an emo teenager
>Spanish-cuban leaders the best that happened to Spain
Hang yourself brainwashed zombie
:)
Shut up you fucking shilltard, who are you gonna vote podemos?
None forced you to buy anything. Everything build in Spain had the same preference but just happens that only Catalonia was the only one with industry. Why didn't anywhere else in Spain develop industry too to suply the demand of textiles? Because you're retarded moors.
>be Manolo
>be too retarded to be succesful in own country
>move to the first world
>WE WUZ SPANISH SPAIN STRONK
see
spain has been protecting your industry for 200 years
and paid for 30% of the barcelona olimpics, which made the city famous
instead of showing some gratitude and respect, you stab them on the back
if cali or texas even attempt something similar, perpretators will end up in jail for life
be thankful spanish justice is soft and you'll spend only a few years behind bars
>economically strongest region
yeah thanks to the rest of spain that buys their shit and spanish companies that invest there, even franco gave them industries, they also get the most money from the country budget, but when you ask them to help the other regions with less luck (they didnt blackmail the state to get more money) they say 'ESPAÑA NOS ROBA'.
>catalonian cultural heritage
lol, u mean aragonese cultural heritage?
>brand their tongue as dead
their tongue is co-official along with euskera and the other dialects and is well protected, the problem is that they want to ban spanish from everywhere
>catalonian culture replaced by spanish culture
what the fuck are you on? spanish culture is cataluña's culture, they are not a nation, they are a region from spain, each region in spain have very different culture, that doesnt mean that they arent spanish. catalonians are spanish like the rest of spain you fucking autist, theres no difference. spanishness as a concept has existed before the romans you stupid cunt, our nation and culture is more than 1000 years old
>communist cunt
Im the opposite of communist, you filthy slanigger, your literally-who homeland is shit, youre only useful to make good pornstars so dont come here talking to us about how we have to deal with cataniggers
>saying that we are fascist opressors, when they are the fascists
Not necessarily fascist, but I would say the videos showing Spanish police beating old ladies and random people walking by or sitting down with batons just for being in a building where they are voting shows a bit of an "oppressive" government.
Also Catalan pays more than their fair share in taxes.
None forced you to buy anything just we will rise the taxes to textile until its the same price resulting in making poorer spaniards and richer the catalonians due to spanish protectivism into catalonian industry
I guess you just dont know how economics works user
You deflect, you jew, you nig, but you never work.
Forcing people to buy catalonian textiles is no different from putting import tolls on Chinese steel, not because it is cheaper and still fills most needs, but "because it is dumping" and "it hurts our steel mills". Same deal with EU ascension for us - fruit quality went down and prices went up, because we were not allowed to buy exotic fruit from places of our liking anymore, but from you spanish niggers and your former colonies that are good friends with the eurocrats.
Rats, that is what you are. You would rather buy from Holland or whatever place only out of spite that your neighbor is doing better than you. You would sell out your country from underneath your ass, underneath the butt of your family, neighbors, and all of the peoples living in Iberia, because you're too lazy to put in any work and would like to live like a king on your neighbor's dime.
"Spaniards", Yellow Vests, Euromaidan hopefuls - you're all one and the same: subhumans that throw a hissy-fit when their purchasing power is made to reflect their economic output. And instead of admitting you're indebted and poor because you're a nigger, you make everything worse on you and then try to make others suffer with you
>voting
You fall for dichotomies 12y/o brainlet. Talk to me when you grow up sissy
They dont pay more than their fare, actually they debt more money to spain than their PIB becouse no other bank would be stupid enough to lend money with no interests
Again braindead Manolo, the catalan industry wasn't protected, EVERYTHING build in Spain was. It's just that Catalonia was the only place with industry. Castilian landlords also demanded protectionist policies because they couldn't compete with the lower prices coming from Eastern Europe.
Sure what party will you vote in the upcoming elections, i want to listen the opinion of a such ascended mind that definetly is not a shill
I bet you are catalonian and basque judt shilling against vox you tard
Castilian land lords where selling whool to the netherlands you tard, what kind of history do you learn? You dont even know what cañada real is?
You're the argument. If you're not a retarded leecher wtf are you doing in Catalonia?
FALANGIST GANG
RISE UP
Why can't we just have a state coup like in the good old times?
>voting
Kys npc
ACASO ÉS UN CRIME A DEFENDER LA ESPAÑA?
ARRIBA LA ESPAÑA
VIVA LA MUERTE
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Don't you know that Castilla was and still a huge center of dryland farming? You're getting more stupid by the second.
>a rich region produces stuff
>hmm, why are they getting richer by making money from the stuff they produce
>me want shiny things
>they are not a nation
>that they are a region in Spain with a different culture, language, temperament, and disposition to work does not mean they aren't Spanish
>I'm not a communist, you filthy pornstar-producing piece of shit
etc etc etc
Call a Spaniard a fascist, a Franco-lover, dictator-loving bootlicker, nothing sticks. But call him by his real label: a lazy communist mutt more akin to a bantu nigger than a european, and see him bust several cogs in his head.
I'm not going to jump on your bait, truth of the matter is you were always poorer than we have ever been. You were poorer when we were under Hapsburg rule, you were poorer when we were democrats, you were poorer when we were with the nazis, you were poorer when we were ruled over by a communist party, and you are still poorer and more indebted today.
Go buy a ticket for the Guernica loteria
Im in burgos you tard
>Not making your right to vote to use and then crying becouse my coutnry is bad
You are really really cancer in whatever country you are
Posting from bosnia, haha catalonia has to be such amazing country that youd rather live in a third world country
You have just discarded your chance at a counter-argument. It can hereby be surmised that you are a rat in human skin
Spaniards like to LARP as facists but are in reality profoundly communistic. This is because they're worthless and need someone from above to tell them what to do, give them jobs and money otherwise they'd be laying in a chair all day doing nothing all day.
Everytime they deny the identity of Catalonia and say things like "Catalonia is Spain" what they mean is that they wish to sunk catalans to their level so everyone in Spain is homogeneous in mediocrity and worthlessness, so it's normal anyone with self-respect wants to leave this shithole.
The history of Spain is a story of leeching. Spain has never produced anything but has instead lived off the accomplishment of others. First it leeched of jews and moriscos, then its colonies in America and now the only colony they have left: Catalonia.
Whatever it's the same. Half of Burgos moved last century to Euskadi. You're to basques what andalusians are to us: worthless Manolos.
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Remember
>8 sec
The whole concepr of Spanish nationhood is based on civic nationalism. Everybody is Spanish who has citizenship regardless of race, gender or religion.
That is why I am a Catalan, which is a true ethnicity. For Catalan ethnicity it is worth dieing.
Just because everyone is against them
>yfw she orders all catalans put in extermination camps
>a rich region is rich because the other regions of the nation support them
s-stop stealing from us, what we produce is only thanks to our hard work! i-is not like you helped us at all giving us money, infrastructures and investors!
>a country must have the same exact culture, language and temperament in all its regions, if not all the regions should become countries because fuck you thats why
>disposition to work
>muh all spaniards are lazy
>spaniards arent hard working people and we arent amongst europeans who work the most hours a year
you literally have no arguments besides 'youre a poor lazy moor and catalonians are rich and you want to rob them' and 'let cataluña be a nation because if you have your own dialect automatically you are a nation'
Catalonia is a millenary nation of proud and industrious people while Spain is a meme country created because 2 people married some centuries ago.
literally a fake-spic flag.
you mean Aragón
why is putin spamming this shit again? it didn't work the last time.
Yes, that is my only argument, while your only argument is
>i-is not true!!!
If Germans and Austrians can be separate and Austria secretly more prosperous, so can Spain and Catalonia. Also, please consider that per-capita GDP and parity purchase power in Slovakia went up after we gained our independence from the leeches in Prague. For as long as we were part of a single state, they kept claiming how we leech off of them, but now they are poorer. And out of spite, they try to erase what they can of our common history - the Moravian-Slovak dialect was renamed the "East Moravian dialect", and you can observe how over the years some of the most important industrial cities in the Czech Republic became backwater towns just because they're within half an hour of our border.
You are no different, nigger rat
Aragón is an irrelevant place that went from belonging to Navarra to belong to Catalonia. No wonder they have a version of the flag of Catalonia, which was originally the personal emblem of the counts of Barcelona.
>catalonia will get richer without spain and the EU
>catalonians arent the ones trying to erase Spain and Aragón history, inventing their own fake one
>if secession worked with my shithole country, it should work everywhere
>my country and my people are superior, the others are lazy leeching rats because I say so
wow, you really believe that, go read a real history book, not the ones that they gave you in the separatist factory
t. Putin's argentinian shill again.
I instantly knew you even after so many months.
This time is even worse since you aren't even getting paid, kek.
yes
>Catalonians are so awful that we desperately need them to stay
The rulers of Aragón were first of the Jiménez dinasty, which was a royal house from Navarra, and after the last king Ramiro II gave the kingdom and his daughter to the count Berenguer IV of Barcelona it became another of his possessions. Obviously he kept the symbol (the actual flag of Catalonia) and used it to represent Aragón too, because it was his. This is real history Manolo.
k
cataluña's territory is rightful spanish clay, catalonians that dont want to stay can leave anytime
Cataloons duplicate, reunite, and annihilate.
Yes, Putin sends me as el País has told you boludo. This must be a new level of paranoia.
The butt hurt is strong in you?
Keep raging and making those assumptions. I live in Barcelona but I am not Catalan, nor am I Spanish so I don't have a horse in the (sic) race to the bottom of the shitpile.
I'm an oldfag aswell so I know what the fcuk I'm talking about. You're a total moron if you believe there is any difference between the Catalan and Spanish political classes, especially when it comes to corruption. This is the same all over Europe and to a degree the UK aswell. The yellow vests and the myriad protests, the lean to the 'right'...how many EU states taking months to form a government and what about the growing number of coalition governments? The migrant crisis and all the kickback from it, even antifa and other retard types. The driving sentiment is against the political classes corruption and abandonment of civic duties/responsibilities. The media and police forces appropriated by them and used as propaganda and militia arms of centralised control.
And here, in Spain, or Catalonia whatever the fcuk you want to call it the political classes are just as shameless daylight petty criminal thieving cnuts as the one"'s in La Moncloa. The Cat bourgeoisie and industrial classes neatly allied themselves with Franco and profited vastly from it. Read 'Los Catalanes de Franco'. And dont start on culture, Dali was an avowed fascist and Francoist too.
>this abhorrent post
Catalonia was a mistake.
the Crown of Aragon originated when the Kingdom of Aragon and the County of Barcelona merged by dynastic union upon the marriage of Petronilla of Aragon and Raymond Berenguer IV of Barcelona, their individual titles combined in their son Alfonso II of Aragon. The combined state was known as Corona Regum Aragoniae, Corona Aragonum or simply Aragon. this was due to the reduction of catalan influence, the renunciation of the family rights of the counts of barcelona in occitania and the extinction of the house of barcelona. consequently, the monarchs denominated themselves de Aragon
Here is the place
YES, YES!!
Would be fun to just cut all tourism for a year and see them beg for it to come back.
Those negro migrants sure won't pick up the tab.
Bingo. All these faggots concerned about muh race and muh nation, bitching about how we're being taken over...the bottom line is money. The means. Mostly to fill bellies.
Everyone forgets, we're all only ever 13 meals away from descending into niggerdom
The relation of Catalonia and Aragón back in the middle ages was the same as now: the first way more richer, populated and powerful while the later was little more than a granary for Catalonia.
Also very funny how you don't mention that the original name of the Crown was Regno, Dominio et Corona Aragonum et Catalonie. There was no extinction of the house of Barcelona because until the death of Martí l'Humà the Kingdom of Aragón belonged to the house of Barcelona because its kings were descended from the counts of Barcelona. The only thing that mattered (and still today) is the paternal line.
So according to you Spain belongs to Greece and your king is a Borbón because his mother is greek and from another house. Retard.
Nigger if it was for me I'd kill all tourism and ban it. Do you know who works in tourism? 99% of them are immigrants. If you're too succesful you need to cap your economy otherwise gibmigrants will fill the jobs.
>cuckalonians are too weak and pathetic to fight for their independence
You deserve the spanish dick up your asses, you pathetic weasels.
>1714 the catalan war of independence