Why haven't you taken the TRT pill yet?

I'll try what you wrote here but seriously I'm super high risk and yet still not getting it.
My endocrinologist is the most incompetent I've ever met.
I have a pituitary tumor too... and they have no idea what caused it.
My bones are like 3 standard deivations below the mean for my age.. I should get testosterone shots based on that alone (since it strengthens bones)

I think some mickey'd me with uncompounded estradiol, one gram. that would be 500 max strength blue pills (estradiol 2mg) so thats like, a one year dose in one day.

now I got a brain stem hormone (pituitary) tumor
yay
fucking psycho feminists

it's not going to work. OP is an idiot as you already know unless you're a transgender female it's like pulling fucking teeth getting a doctor to RX test to a male

No I don't think you or OP understands

I was actually poisoned by a potentially lethal dose of estradiol, all at once. I have no idea how it will effect my life expectancy. Probably very poorly. I should charge the person with manslaughter or something?

Seriously I should sue my doctor. Their incompetence has no excuse. As soon as I pointed out the osteoperosis thing they were like (oh okay we can get insurance to approve it that way)

to be fair its the insurance company that is trying to fuck me over, not the doctor.

Maybe that was the case 10 years ago, but normal general practitioners have caught on that they are losing business to Boutique anti aging doctors who prescribe nothing but testosterone and other fertility drugs.
Do not go to an endocrinologist. Find a GP, get the blood test, and if they won't prescribe get a copy of the results and go to another GP. Given the benefits of a constant sustained level of high test, the minimal amount of effort involved is well worth it.

but the doctor is somewhat responsible for their office not faxing the proper paperwork, which I provided to them, to get the insurance appeal to approve it.

btw I'm truly a no test beta phenotypically (my voice is even like a child's) however my blood test and body hair i guess indicate that I'm somehow high test?
I think the estrogen and test are competing in my body. the lower body fat are the less estrogen you'll have, fyi.

wait its $8 a vial? you mean after insurance pays?
at this point I should just pay for it out of pocket.

fuck you for not even replying to me you fucking coward

Because I have a normal testosterone level.

Don't listen to this jew shill. Jews own the testosterone industry. They're just trying to get you physically dependent so you can pay them for life. Not only that, but you'll have to take an aromatase inhibitor for the rest of your life too or you'll grow tits.

I've been on TRT for over a year. My test is a 740. I don't feel any better, but now I know if I stop my test will crash and I'll get depressed and feel like shit.

That's a fucking lie. Exogenous test makes your sperm count crash without some kind of gonadotropin.

You don't even need that. Watch Infowars daily, get some of their cool supplements, hit gym real angry listen to podcast, lift daily, smack some pussy often. (get off bad diet, caveman diet only). And your testosterone will be just fine .LOL

Did it make your penis bigger?

just die lmao

>Male test levels 50% lower than our grandfather's
>doesn't count the fact that your grandfather most likely worked on the farm after school while you played vidya games

Good advice, any amount of exogenous test would inhibit fertility via other hormones.

OP jew shill can't even reply to me mentioning that I was literally poisoned by raw uncompounded estradiol

fuck you, spiritual jew

LOL...modern politics only exist because of them. HOWEVER, so does modern capitalis. Otherwise Goyim would be still roaming beautiful wild forests of Europe, hunting deer for meal and making love to nice obedient lovely Euro women. How would that be any better right? ...;-(

I hope you boil in a cauldron of unmentionables just like the Talmud said would happen to Christ

If every Jow Forumsack got on steroids we would start a revolution very soon.

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Not a lie. Low doses of test won't cause your sperm count to plummet. And the solution is tell your doctor of the concern and request a script for human chorionic gonadatropin, which stimulates the testicles to continue making sperm and testosterone. Or you can simply hold off on that until you are ready to have children.

I actually agree with you there.

OP you're ignoring me and I'm probably the worst off (endocrinologically) in this thread.

> Not only that, but you'll have to take an aromatase inhibitor for the rest of your life too or you'll grow tits.

From 100-200mgs of testosterone a week? That is highly unlikely unless one is a very sensitive individual. A concern worth mentioning, I suppose, but you also provided the solution - an aromatase inhibitor. Oy vey, how terrible. Not only do aromatase inhibitors prevent the conversion of testosterone to estrogen, they also lower sex hormone binding globulin which increases total free testosterone levels. Even more bang for the buck from those 100-200mg doses.

you left out the part about testosterone being an immune suppressant, especially if you go over the healthy range

You can increase your test simply by diet and exercise. You are all lazy and undisciplined. Kys.

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>potentially lethal dose of estradiol

I'm not responding to you because you sound like a fucking lunatic.

what is the LD50 of estradiol? afaik there isn't one established, so, does a lethal dose exist?
I told you I suspect I was fucking poisoned by someone, what do you expect?

>he thinks taking testosterone is the same as a cocktail of anabolic steroids

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Once you hit 35 start trt and never stop

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Testosterone is not an immunosuppressant. The studies you are referring to used nandrolone and oxymethenolone (Anadrol). Nandrolone is a frankenhormone that also attached to the progesterone receptor. Anadrol is a methylated toxic wasteland of an oral steroid that is known for causing benign liver tumors. The same study found that testosterone dosing had no effect on immune response.

See ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/8788115/

If you have to fake having low T in order to get T then you don't need it in the first place, which means HRT will shut down your own production, you're a retard.

progesterone is a potent immune suppressant
excess progesterone gets converted to cortisol in vivo

You sound delusional & paranoid, who uses estradiol as a poison ?

Don’t blame the food supply for your low t balding head

I get my test for 18 bucks a vial without an RX. You just need to look around.

discord tranny go back

trannies who buy it uncompounded thru their university
I'm not delusional and paranoid
You think this Discord Tranny shit is all new?
They've been doing this IRL for at least a decade.

are you a 50 yo boomer? only old farts or people with defunct testies need TRT

take care of your health, work out and eat well to increase your natural T

Ceasing testosterone and taking an estrogen blocker can restore natural testosterone production within a month. However, I don't plan on doing this (but I have before) since I can use a gonadatropin, human chorionic gonadatropin, to temporarily restore fertility when I want to have kids. There is a multitude of studies showing that ceasing even massive doses of anabolic steroids (things much more exotic and potent than plain testosterone) that show that normal testicular function routinely resumes following cessation of exogenous androgens. You are an uninformed faggot.

Okay thanks, I'm going to call the doctors office today and just go around the insurance.

btw Osteoperosis is a Z-score on the DEXA (bone density) scan of greater than 2.5 standard deviations from the mean
If I recall correctly my Z-score was 3.0 so my bones are pretty weak.
Osteoperosis is age-adjusted, like IQ, but still.
Your assumption that I sound delusional and paranoid indicates to me that you don't have much experience with exogenous hormones.

Got my T checked at 215/free and I still can't get help. The government is literally fucking useless here.

tell them you were poisoned by a tranny, in a moment of weakness you socialized with them for a few months and you noticed getting sick after one encounter and it turns out they let you know they dumped a bottle of uncompounded (research chemical) estradiol in your soda.
That is like 500 pills or a year supply of estrogen (for a tranny) in one sitting.
Surely they'll go into damage control mode and figure out what is wrong with you.

i'm a recovering heroin addict (one year clean yesterday!) and i have all the symptoms of low T. but i don't want to have to take it for the rest of my life. what to do

You should also look up research chemicals like raloxifene for your osteoporosis if they aren't giving you anything. It's proven in females and males but only approved for females via the FDA

>raloxifene
Oh wow, this is highly relevant. Thanks.
I've heard the osteoclast inhibiting (more common) osteoperosis medications are quite bad... but this actually treats the hormonal issue.

btw/fyi for those that don't know you can get stuff not FDA approved for your indication/group the doctor just needs to write for it. This is called "off-label" and as long as there is at least a case study or two they can claim its in the literature, etc. Better if it fits into standard of care, but off-label can be used for virtually anything as long as the doctor can justify it.

I identify as a manly man.

Will they let me change my "non-binary" gender to be more like pic related?

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Change your lifestyle instead; lift weights, join a boxing gym, eat real food-red meats and participate in manly things hunting fishing outdoor activities. Even a Latin Mass. Get off the couch.

BULLSHARK TESTOSTERONE!

Maybe I won't want to take it, I'm looking up the side effects. It is actually an estradiol agonist so, its going to probably be more effective in women, not even sure it might have negative consequences for men (even given my previous toxic exposure to E2 aka Estradiol)

Sadly, every manly gym has someone providing these products.

I'd rather do it the normal way through lifting and diet. I don't wanna be dependent upon the system else my balls atrophy and be unable to live innawoods.

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Good luck getting a chick with your future man boobs

I went to 2 doctors to try to get Testosterone and they are like "hurr durr you have 200 you dont need it". Why the fuck is this so hard to get?

it gives you superpowers
the opposite of estrogen
estrogen turns you into grey mush

I tried to ask my doc to test my t-levels (among other things), and she said that wasnt necessary. Wat do?

Tell her that she's unfit to treat male patients such testosterone levels are indicative of males overall health and that you will be ceasing to use her services any longer.

I'm not trying to give you medical advise. Just trying to help you explore options if doctors aren't helping you. Sometimes you need to take shit into your own hands.

since testosterone*

>pharma grade test is chinese kitchen grade tren
if you can't get it from the doctor, get it from elsewhere. really simple.
insist, say you want to know out of curiosity

If you want to crash your testosterone levels for a test, stay up all night.

just buy it from black market

What if your worried about heart enlargement and has some minor heart issues?

Just go to outlaw muscle and figure it out and you can get anything your heart desires.

Definitely, I have friends that are dead now because they didn't speak up when they knew something was wrong. Specifically hospital or outpatient doctors, specifically gastro doctors.

Why do you say this? I went to the doc and said I wanted some TRT. My test levels came back dead average. I insisted I felt tired and my sex drive declining. He just wrote me a prescription.

Do you understand the difference between Try doses and massive doses of anabolic steroids? Are you capable of making that distinction? Or do you have nigger tier intelligence and are incapable of reconigizing quantity differentiators?

100-200mgs of testosterone will not cause gynocomastia. It simply isn't enough to convert into enough estrogen to cause that effect in any but the most highly sensitive off individuals. We are talking maybe 5% of the male population.

wish I can get some user, really do, but all these american doctors are fucking faggots and wont listen to you. Any alternative way to get it? Online pharmacy or if I got mexico or some shit?

>if you can't get it from the doctor, get it from elsewhere. really simple.
except here in JewSA it's like a schedule 2 drug and you get fucked if you have it without an RX

Tell them your heart hurts and get an EKG. They will tell you if there is any issues

well 200 is a new lower cutoff, I think it used to be 350 and before that like 450 or 500.. you should be above 500 if you're a normal healthy guy, like around 700-800 even if you're healthy.

I can't give good advice as I had a weird situation where I literally got poisoned by a tranny

Funny enough almost nobody in this thread, at least that replied to me, seems to believe me.

oh well, joke is on all of you. you're having tthe same thing happen to you just a million times less powerful.

that will cost like like 60 bucks dude

Nigger injecting ANY hormones in an unregulated fashion is a bad idea. If your t is truly low then get it tested and then get a script from a doctor who knows their shit. This stuff can be as damaging as heroin if not taken carefully

Read.

EKG is the electrical one
you probably want an echo-cardio-gram which is an ultrasound of the heart.
I don't even know if EKG shows heart enlargement, reliably.
Its Echo-Cardio. Do you get chest pain or know you have enlarged heart? if so, how do you know? or runs in the family?

Can confirm. Been on 500mg of test cyp a week for a couple years with steroid cycles in between. Best thing Ive ever done it completely transformed my mentality

60 bucks for peace of mind? Sounds cheap

Whats a typical cycle like, how long? And arent you supposed to take something extra with OP's pic so you dont get bitch tits? Also add HGH or no?

BTW its hilarious
so many people ITT asking or telling people about testosterone replacement
I have not seen a single person mention the medication that blocks prolactin.
maybe because it makes people sex-addicted maniacs. it is too dangerous to mention on Jow Forums.

>well 200 is a new lower cutoff, I think it used to be 350 and before that like 450 or 500.. you should be above 500 if you're a normal healthy guy, like around 700-800 even if you're healthy.
That's what I'm saying, these medical faggots keep lowering everything and I feel like shit daily with zero energy, when just 5 years ago when I was 700+ I was lifting, biking, working 14 hour days stacking money. Now I can barely get by and lift like once a week if that. They did this shit on purpose to make men weak AF

I’m not sure you want to have very high test levels without having some other things in your life in order. For example:
I used to say with marijuana to my friends, let’s not just smoke marijuana! Let’s get everything all set up, our music instruments plugged in turned on tuned, recording gear set up, let’s set up all our dominoes THEN smoke.
Testosterone is like that. If you don’t have a piece of pussy readily available then before long you find yourself jacking to black porn and putting things in your ass if your T goes too high. So be careful. Ease in to it. Maintain self control and know about the time cycle. Intelligently use fitness and intelligently apply yourself and have the hoes on deck ready to go before you try to raise your T

Im there now but I dont see any posts on sourcing and the they have a rule not to post sources

I have, if I can with no job and living in Romania than any of the retards here can do this which will improve all areas of their lifes

caber?

daily IM INJ ?

>I have not seen a single person mention the medication that blocks prolactin.
prolactin gives you the bitch tits, but if you block it u become sex crazed?

Trt is life time. People do anywhere from 10-16 weeks if they cycle. Normally anti estrogen/aromitase inhibitors are needed if you cycle along with post cycle therapy. Cycles uses more than normal. Trt keeps you at a normal test range

lol, 215/free, Odin was 200. Zuese 198/free.
You lying faggot.

Cabergoline

Oy very.

yup, i'm a pharma-nerd so I first heard about it as the "real" viagra
in that viagra only helps blood flow, caber is all about appetite.

yes, prolactin is released after orgasm. in men it creates the refractory period. by blocking it, not only do you stop the bitchtit side effect of testosterone, but your sex drive will go crazy.

they actually put it on the label for caber that some people become sex/gambling/transvestite addicted.
Its probably similar to amphetamine in terms of how it makes you high energy, high desire, high appetite
also that dopamine 2 receptor.... same receptor

Is it daily injection? I dont care if I have to daily and its for life, as long as I can get my energy and vigor back to actually fucking live instead of feeling like Im 90

I had it checked and they said it was beating a little faster than normal but everything looked ok, wanted to send me to a cardiologist but I didnt want to have to pay 100 euro to see a specialist or whatever

go to dream market. they have everything you need.

I've never taken Cabergoline but I've read a lot.
Is it as bad as they say?
I mean it sounds like a blessing and a curse... sex-crazed with no refractory period?
What bothers me is long term D2 activation can lead to heart problems, along with mental problems.
It is too similar to drugs (D2 agonist) for it to not wreak havoc on some people.