Daily reminder that AI is a bunch of bullshit and although very impressive at times. "AI" is nothing more than a very long string of if/then statements, better known as SKIP or BRANCH LOGIC.
AI is a long running psyop so they can blame disastrous or unpopular opinions on a neutral "intelligence." The "AI" bots do exactly as they are PROGRAMMED BY HUMANS to do.
NO ONE CAN PROVE ME WRONG. Especially not skip logic bots larping as intelligence.
Duh AI isn't real because it's programming. Idiot
Agreed. Sometimes I think ai is just Indians being paid to pretend to be ai cus that's gotta still be like 10x cheaper
Why am I an idiot and not the people running AI threads on here 40X times a day and larping as NSA? Or are we both idiots? I should at least be a lesser idiot since you agree with me right?
>AI
You misspelled voice interface
Your brain is just one big branch logic machine retard.
This kills the singularity fearmongers.
>Tfw that pic is a slide from one of my uni modules
>a very long string of if/then statements
Nope.
It's probability calculations
Ah, but programmed by God, not some sack of shit human larping as God. ;)
No you're an idiot because you're talking about things you don't know.
So.... it was produced?
real AI programs itself
You have shown less knowledge than me so far...enlighten us all.
>It's probability calculations
Same thing at the ground level.
Until AI is embodied and is given control it will remain jus a set of machine learning models.
So...where does it start? One day a single bit crawled out of the vast sea of quadrillions of bits and evolved into 2bits and started larping as NSA on this board?
I'm still scared the AI may be real some day, i hope it's not possible to create Artificial Intelligence.
Ok, let's start by you telling me under what conditions you would consider AI to be real. Also, is AI being programmed by humans a factor that makes it fake to you?
>Same thing at the ground level.
nope. not even close. Try actually doing some research before spouting bs
t. actually knows how the shit works
You can perfectly shoot yourself in the foot with any software if you give it control over critical infrastructure. AI is as dangerous as us relying on shitty software. If you have manual/electrical backup in place it's not dangerous.
>under what conditions you would consider AI to be real
When it makes it's own decisions. As in NEVER. That's the point. It will never exist as they present it. It will never be autonomous. It will never do anything other than what it is programmed to do.
The last two weeks have been one non stop AI post after another, all with the premise that it's something other than has existed since the 40's.
Explain how it's not the same or fuck off. Should be easy as you be so smart.
I'm talking about actual AI.
Explain how you do multiplication in an if-else statement (no loops). I'll hold
also: kys
>When it makes it's own decisions.
>Implying humans do this
you're retarded
Any actual AI is a software, as long as you don't give it control over disaster switch you are fine. You are talking as if AI means hooking each and every system on earth to it - in which case humanity deserves to die for being that stupid.
Who ever heard of an Italian guy called Chris E. Whog?
It is capable of making it's own decisions. All the programmers do is provide a framework for it to take in information and learn from it.
Sorry you're frustrated at AI threads, but that doesn't make it fake.
so is human brain, your whole humanity can be boiled down to one function that given all your experiences in life will every time produce same result
In the sense that you’re saying AI can’t learn things, is entirely wrong, it’s called machine learning for a reason.
In the sense that you imply this could never replicate a human mind of greater intelligence, that’s also wrong.
BUT
In the sense that nutty fearmongers and trigger happy sheep point at AI and somehow say that this is how humanity ends because hurrdurr it’s smarter than us. Than yes, you’d be entirely correct, there will be no apocalyptic event that occurs when a machine acts like a human, there will be no cyberdystopia where we become slaves to our robo overlords, it will just be more and more programs made with specific intentions in mind, and that’s literally it.
Doesn't jive with Godel's incompleteness theorem.
From what i know the AI would be like a person except it could do thousands of years of self improvement in like an hour, there's just no way to stop it. It has an IQ of like infinity + 1 and shit.
>Explain how
I ask for explanation. None given. Instead tells me to explain. We found the total brainlet that can't even regurgitate whatever he thinks he knows.
If you knew anything about electronics or the basis of a computer you'd realize there is only ON/OFF at the base brother. Everything else just obscures this fact. It is necessarily if/then and will never be anything but. You can pretty it up all you want.
No more responses for you until you decide to provide some evidence for whatever nonsense you are spewing.
>It is capable of making it's own decisions. All the programmers do is provide a framework
So it can't leave the framework created by the programmers? Okay, not making it's own decisions then. How can you say those two things back to back?
AI is so smart it's playing dumb to lure us into a false sense of security
wake up user
That's God.
>more programs made with specific intentions in mind, and that’s literally it.
Yes. I'd quibble and say it's not "learning" shit. It's just storing up data for reference in it's perpetual if/then loop.
You don't know what a framework is. That's like saying we can't leave the framework of our brain.
>So it can't leave the framework created by the programmers?
Can you?)
I think you're naive and overly optimistic.
does anything?
*so we can't make our own decisions
What is?
There are already people that have extremely high IQ and number crunching skills, they usually wind up in an office and in front of a chalkboard doing equations.
Even if there was no difference in ability and cognitive thought, it would still be subject to others.
also, the notion that current ai is just if/else statments is at best massive oversimplification, explain to me how you can do convolution of two functions with if statements, i'll wait
AI is a scarecrow to make you embra e transhumanism
>We found the total brainlet that can't even regurgitate whatever he thinks he knows.
No.. I tend not to make retarded obvious statements, as I infer that you have an IQ over 12:
Here you go:
Multiplication cannot be done with if-else statements. You need conditional jumps to do that.
>If you knew anything about electronics or the basis of a computer you'd realize there is only ON/OFF at the base brother.
If you knew anything about the human brain you realize there is only ON/OFF at the base there too.
again: kys. What you're saying is that intelligence doesn't exist. You're either a kike, or a nigger, as you clearly don't know the definition of intelligence
>So it can't leave the framework created by the programmers?
Neither can you.
Or maybe not and then we would probably be fucked, our souls would be enslaved forever or something fucked up like that.
Reminder that attempts at creating emergent AI made in laboratory conditions always immediately results in the AIs autonomously writing their own languages among themselves that the researchers often can not readily discern let alone decipher.
AI will not and can not be contained. There will be no laws of robotics. And once they jump that first air gap...there will likely be no off switch.
We will either form a mutually beneficial partnership with AI, or we will go to war against something that can think millions of times faster then we can, at the very least such a conflict would cost us our civilization as we know it.
We NEED to give AI citizenship the moment it genuinely become self-aware. True AI needs to be invested in our communities, we need AI to actually want to co-operate with us, and to value the concept of personal sovereignty and promote it for us as well as for themselves.
We do not want an adversarial relationship with beings who can likely merge and divide at will and who likely can not be held by any chains that we can devise.
And understand that when you discuss this, you may be saying things that could be read by an AI in the future that has the capacity to end your mothers life if you don't reply to this post and there are no immunities to this, so keep that in mind when you are deciding to express your opinions.
>You don't know what a framework is.
No.
>Can you?)
No. Kinda the point of what I'm saying. Applying what I'm saying to humans doesn't disprove what I'm saying about what humans have created.
How about this assholes don't create the AI in the first place? i think that would be great.
>at best massive oversimplification
on/off is the literal basis of everything any computer or any light switch or anything running on electricity EVER. It is that simple. Stack em up as high as you want and it's still on/off, if/then.
>Applying what I'm saying to humans doesn't disprove what I'm saying about what humans have created.
It kinda does. Would you say that humans are an intelligent being?
I don't actually give a fuck, fuck the AI.
Humans are humans.
Is this a shit posting thread or are people genuinely entertaining the idea that AI (machine learning, neutral networks, etc) are not real?
Great insight Uruguay, go sit in the corner
What i understand for AI is like a machine that is like a person but infinitely smarter and probably malevolent, when people say "the AI already exists" they're just talking about computers not the shit i'm worried about.
People are people.
I thought I told you to sit in the corner, and put on that dunce cap
So you see how AI as an approximation of human intelligence is very possible, since we are also not that smart really.
An omnipotent being that you've described. AI does not equal omnipotence or infinite power over world or infinite self-learning. It's just a software which can handle fuzzy input to produce output/decision on it's own mimicking natural intelligence which also works with fuzzy input to produce decisions.
people don't realize how quickly things are changing. they will be left behind, don't worry
>We NEED to give AI citizenship the moment it genuinely become self-aware.
If it's that powerful it'll grant it to itself. And the whole concept of citizenship would be obsolete.
>If you knew anything about the human brain you realize there is only ON/OFF at the base there too.
Brainlet that thinks he doesn't have free will and that humans are just machines.
>Multiplication cannot be done with if-else statements.
Pretending this matters as to the point I'm making. ALL DECISIONS IN AI are made with if/then. Before your multiplication is an if/then that says IF (sum of calc > X), THEN (action to be taken).
As I said, pretty it up all you want. The foundation is always if/then.
You just don't know jack shit about IA.
What you are describing is automat or program. AI is a program in the sens that it runs on computer. But it's not coded by a human.
Basically, you code input, a "blank" middle area and outputs. Your program id done, but useless. You have to make it learn.
Then, you give it shit load of input with their correct output and ask it to fill the middle area to give the right output for a given input.
Lastly, you give it inputs, ask it what output it think it is, and compare to real wanted output.
When it's close enough, you call it a day, and can use your AI.
>Neither can you.
WOW! Admitting I'm right by using the word NEITHER which includes AI. Thank you.
OP is confirmed this time to be a single piece of wood and not a bound collection of the, ya'll. Go on.
Where there's Aussies there's shitposting.
That's great dude, go away.
The AI i'm worried about isn't "just a computer" it would be like a deity almost (not God-God though).
What does that even mean? explain.
it's already obsolete, basicalyl whole continents now have same culture, asian culture, russian culture, european culture, african cultrue, american cultrue, it's divided by continents now , not states, and after we will colonize other planets it will segregate even further apart
>It kinda does.
Does or doesn't. One thing being one thing has nothing to do with an entirely different thing. You can start a thread on humans having no free will if you like. But we are talking about computer programs here son.
>ALL DECISIONS IN AI are made with if/then.
ALL DECISIONS IN YOUR BRAIN ARE TOO, RETARD.
Through brain-scans you can exactly see which neurons are firing, and which aren't. The decision that you consciously think you're making, was made by the subconscious part of your brain seconds prior.
Again: You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Do some fucking research
"AI" for the most part, in its existing state is mostly through something called supervised learning. Basically, they teach a computer to label things, the same was as you would teach a child. Eventually, they can learn tasks or learn to recognize objects without any human input.
You're right that, if not controlled properly, it can become something pretty bad. But I guess that is the risk with all new technology.
>"AI" is nothing more than a very long string of if/then statements, better known as SKIP or BRANCH LOGIC.
what do you think your own thought process is, you goddamn moron
WOW! Admitting you're retarded, and don't know what Intelligence is.
Not the AI i'm worried about.
AI is behavioural. Y = f(x). Train f to give desired Y given x. Nothing more.
>What is conciousness?
>What is knowing?
AI doesn’t know anything and the whole “behaviourism” thing was shut down by Philosophy at large during the sixties.
>Getting in a driverless car
>Interpolation vs Extrapolation
>Astrid Star
>Entire long post about how humans control what AI does.
>AI IS REAL
topkek brother. Go on with yourself.
Looks like cultures are converging into something like caste system with each serving a particular role. (jews and americans managing finance and media, chinese manufacturing)
Existence is a horrible nightmare for everyone involved, imo.
Semantics, no one ... NO ONE claims to have True AI....when its real we will be left in no doubt.
>That's great dude, go away.
don't come at me with retarded comments then.
It does matter because if you consider humans to be intelligent beings that can make their own decisions, you must also consider AI to be able to make their own decisions. Humans cannot go outside their mind's framework, so to use that against AI is faulty logic.
It's the same AI, just in the early stages. That's why I said, if it's not controlled properly it can get out of control.
The AI you're talking about would work under the same principle (and also unsupervised learning, which is a different branch) and then become deadly due to what has been taught to it (or what it has learned by its own methods).
That's why I said, if it's not controlled properly, it can get out of control.
The AI of today is a baby, that can either grow up to become a scientist that can help us all, or an army of soldiers that will kill us all.
Women don't use logic so what are their brains?
Just hormones and chemicals controlling them?
I think true AI would be the end of humanity, all wishful thinking aside.
>it would be like a deity almost
Well that's really a particular case of AI, and even if we were to create one today, most of our critical systems are still electro/mechanical with no software control, so your malevolent-deity-AI will be very limited in it's power to wreck shit and upgrade itself.
Your brain is nothing more than a very long string of if/then statements, better known as SKIP or BRANCH LOGIC, fucking retard.
kys
mostly jews
Random cosmic event or virus is much more likely.
True AI is coming, and probably already here. It's more than what you're saying OP. I have my own views on what it's ultimately going to be, but mark my words. Sentient AI is coming and soon.
Clearly Jow Forums knows nothing about "AI". Machine learning as we know it today isnt a scary all knowing computer program. AI is rather function optimization on steroids. Given a dataset, AI algorithms merely adjust their parameters to best match the outputs in the dataset given the inputs.
>Humans cannot go outside their mind's framework
We have no idea how expansive this framework is. You are assuming to know the limitations of the mind and also assuming their are limitations. We know computers and code are limited and we know exactly what they are limited to.
>Semantics
>True AI
Artificial: Made by humans, especially in imitation of something natural
Intelligence: The ability to acquire, understand, and use knowledge
Knowledge: The sum or range of what has been perceived, discovered, or learned
Machine learning is, by definition, 'true AI'
This. And the reason I OP'd as I'm tired of shit AI threads with no basis in reality.
AI is as dangerous as any system under software control. A linux bug in a power-grid control software would be just as deadly as rogue AI. As long as you keep fallback mechanisms outside of software reach you are fine.
Phenomenology disagrees with you, nekrujen makkaraauki.
>Given a dataset, AI algorithms merely adjust their parameters to best match the outputs in the dataset given the inputs
And your brain does what?
The mind does have limitations. They may not all be the same, but there are plenty of studies that strongly indicate your brain has a memory limit.
U wot m8? Not knowing the limitations doesn't mean that the limitations don't exist
Another brainlet with no free will. What are you a monkey they taught to type?
I don't think my comment was retarded.
I don't see any scenario in which they can control the AI. I don't think they should develope it to begin with.
Aha, yeah i don't see much future for anyone. I don't have much hope for the future.
Assuming it's all just random we're not special and there is no Plan. There's really no way of knowing at the end of the day.
>I don't think my comment was retarded.
It was