We dont need welfare...

Advanced degrees usually need to be done in a formal setting. But otherwise, I completely agree

somehow i still dont want to go to work and pay your taxes, and ill take your emergency care or whatever you are offering as long as it bankrupts you and your shitty anti libertarian society.

Doesn't need to. We will run the underground economy and make it possible to live without taxation or mass government intrusion.

>An Ancap state will never happen. Grow up.
>i-its not worth a try guys

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I'm on your side, idiot. I despise socialized medicine and high taxes.

somehow we are on the raod to nationalist socialism where i pay someone to have a child then that child goes on welfare, then i pay for his schooling then he gets drafted into the military at age 18 then i pay for his college then he gets a job and raises his own "educated" child to be drafted in the army, just get out im on to thise nanny slave bullshit diaper changing scoiety, fuck this.

Who will run the courts? Who will support give employees any rights? Can anyone own nukes? If not that makes your state very susceptible to invasion. How do you make up for all this without esssentially creating a state again?

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read a book on the ideology stupid nigger paki

שילך לזיין עז

Answer a single one of these questions,

Come back when you have an actual idea. LSD fever dreams don't count

> when you're having a heart attack and need emergency transport put you don't have enough facebook credits to pay for Amazon emergency services so you die alone in your apartment.

if thats how it has to be then so be it, but atleast my contract with this government expires in 1 year.

honestly you are the only person who can put up an arguement, but somehow you are the liberals and somehow i have to fight you.

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You seem to not understand "hand outs." It would never be a permanent status as in today's welfare society, it would be a temporary and short term relief that would be shut off after a short term.

Based free market man

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The state is a tool of people to organize and created the world you live in. Ultra individualism is a meme and not rooted in human nature nor reality. It's as unrealistic as communism and we know how that turned out.

doesnt change the fact that im forced to make babies for you and raise your children who are forced to join YOUR militiary like in awesome socialist societies like Sweden who have such a high minimum wage, see k, thanks.

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You're right OP, but you failed to mention we don't need monopolies, globalism, mass immigration and automation either.

If you think you have no stake in the society you were born in you're a nigger. You only have the wealth and society you have because of your ancestors who comprised a state. You are not born in a vacuum, nigger, you're born into a contract between your ancestors and descendents. There are things more important than you, little snow flake nigger.

it shouldent be the governemnts decision to decide whether we are globalist or not, if i want to order a cheap electronic part from china like the raspberry pi and it was made by slave labor than it is relaly none of your business and if a bunch of employees in china want to start a union then thats none of MY business either.

Lots of your American's handouts are results of corporate shilling, like food stamps. American food industry is aggresively lobbying for them, and for example Kraft Foods has stated that they got one sixth of all their revenue from food stamps.

In high stage capitalism, the corporations will always shill for income transfer from taxpayers to corporations, because it's good for business.

It's so nice to see when people they know their talking about.
No welfare means you have no security after you're fired.
You're on your own go pay cost of living, rent and mortgage and how except to send your kids to school?

Handouts also exist to help out with people disabilities you can't work or its very hard for them to find a job

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that doesnt mean you cant sign your children onto unemployment insurance who get help until they are 18 which is when the "handouts" expire and they are obligated to pay a certain amount of their wage till a certain age or break the birthright contract their parents signed them on to, chances are most people wouldnt break the contract because most people end up finding work in a free market society and they end up paying that money back.

Why should I pay for white children? Brown ones are free.
Mind your business statist.

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okay so youre a black nationalist-socialist or a black panther.

Yes, good prole, I like the way you think! "Workers rights" nonsense like minimum wage increases, parental leave and bathroom breaks are for wussies! Be sure to get your heathcare from your employer in an at-will employment jurisdiction so you can lose it when they fire you for whatever reason they like!

REAL people know the wealth will trickle down any moment now, so just get back into your wage cages and be patient!

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meme ideology, can not work in any real society, too hyper individualistic and inhumane. Its a libertarian pipe dream.

I just want the state to leave me alone, why should I subsidies your white kid fantasies?

How can you claim to be ancap and tell me what do on my land. Yeah, I hire an illegal lawnmower for cheap, but honestly the free market is the only way we are going to win.

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i dont work, i take your welfare and refuse to pop out your babies and i dodged your draft fuck your liberal-nationalist neocon bullshit

sometimes we are anarcho capitalist gypsies and we get hate from mexicans so we hire other illegal gypsies instead, but thats none of YOUR business.

>Hiring illegals
Is the true free market in a stateless society not a society without borders? If you accept borders, then you should not hire illegals, because the market will set a new price for yardcare or picking the fields or w/e for the people who live here already.

t.jew

>The dosh glasses
You mad lad

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I don't accept country borders, what a crazy statist idea that you can control entry to my country. If I want to hire an illegal, and give them a better life, on my land, fuck you for trying to stop me.

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Yep, just proving ancap retard boomers will be added to the purge list. What are you doing on a board that is only united in wanting white western countries back?

>Commies get out
>Kikes, niggers, and spics welcome
Kek. In your other post you said
>The free market is the only way we're going to win
Who is 'we' and win what exactly, since you don't care about homogenous white nations?

Ancapistan would be immediately taken over by private armies financed by Jew run corporations.

Give up libertarian values so some "pure" white people can feel better about not being able to compete. If you are poor and useless it isnt my fault.

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But isn't slave labor anti capitalist? Why are corporate headquarters of tech monopolies located in Ireland avoiding taxation but still can contribute politically? We do not live in a capitalist world, it's neofeudal.

>Goes bankrupt over a broken toe

My status and financial well being is not why I believe what I believe. The socialism part I could give or take, the nationalism part I cannot. Your founders founded a white nation.

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They also founded a minarchy.

exactly

I'm not wholly a Libertarian and if libertarians aren't going to defend our white nation then I won't be one. Whichever side will has my support.
A libertarian who does respect what our founders intended would also care about having a white nation as they did. This nigger does not and openly said he'd gladly hire illegals and doesn't even accept borders. Pretty sure our founders wouldn't want to accept illegal non-white aliens or thought we shouldn't have borders. They founded a nation, not ancapistan.

>"libertarian"
>stands for nothing
>become a statist to get what they want
I spit on you

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I'd even go so far as to say I'm not a libertarian, because really I'm not. If libertarians would defend their white nation I would be one, but they aren't.
I do stand for things, just different things than you and your mateialist world view. Whichever side will restore. White west has my support. That's me standing for something retard.

>The state is a tool of people to organize and created the world you live in. Ultra individualism is a meme and not rooted in human nature nor reality. It's as unrealistic as communism and we know how that turned out.

Free association does not mean no association.

Humans are social creatures. If someone wants to be a non-associating hermit then they would be free to do so. But most people like being part of a group, especially one that can protect them and enforce the rules of membership upon its members. These groups might be based on family links, skin color, wealth level, IQ, favorite foods or simply keeping up your subscription payments.

The most successful communist societies would emerge within Ancapistan, thanks to competition between different communist enclaves all trying to attract and keep their members. If communist enclave #1 fails to live up to your expectations of utopia, you are free to leave and join another enclave that is looking for members.

Over time, the various communist communities will adopt the rules and organisational structures that have the most successful track records, if they want to keep their members and gain new ones. Those that don't adopt best practice will keep losing members until they collapse.

You can't choose things like your favorite color, gender or ideology. It happens to you. If libertarians don't share your white nationalism it's ok to infringe upon people's rights but if they do it isn't. That doesn't make sense.

And libertarianism and white nationalism don't even exclude eachother. Why not be both?

Okay, and what if I want to go found my own country and there's no available land to do so? Does that nation whose land I'm squatting on have to give me that land I'm squatting on? Even if they laid claim to it?
Lolbertarians are so out of touch with reality it's ridiculous. Communists also thought they could reshape reality to suit their interests and it didn't work out for them either. The best thing to do is to embrace reality and live within it's structure.
Who gets to own the nukes we have?

I said I'm not libertarian. I said I'll support the side that will restore a white society whether it be natsoc's, libertarians, or fucking monarchists. The only things that matters to me besides a white nation are a full on rejection of Marxism and reasonable environmental protection. Other than that I can live with or without socialism or libertarianism.
If libertarians don't start to become white nationalists I'll support the natsoc's who have never minced words about it.

>he advocates to embrace the current reality and to live within it's structure
>the current reality is living in clownworld, being lorded over by mentally ill people who enjoy your suffering and want to genocide you.
>he thinks libertarians are crazy

Don't twist my words. The closing world you reference is specifically NOT embracing reality, but more marxists who think they can reshape reality to suit how they want it to be rather than email it for what it is. By embracing reality I am inherently rejecting the clown world. While libertarians are not AS bad about it, they also think they can shape reality to suit how they want it to be rather than how it is. A system of only logic does not work in the real world because the real world is not governed by pure logic. People have a human nature and have evolved under certain circumstances. Better to embrace these things.

Fuck phone posting

No, you didn't say you would support the side that supported white nationalism, you said you would actually become a libertarian if white nationalism was mainstream in the libertarian movement. See >"If libertarians would defend their white nation I would be one"

A complete libertarian victory would support the white nationalist movement because nothing would stop you from seceding and forming your own ethnostate. Socialism would result in white breadlines. Not the best thing for the white race.

The current reality is clownworld. By embracing the current reality you are in fact embracing clownworld.

The human nature is to be free. People are not born as legitimate property of others. By embracing the natural condition of man you should concede to libertarianism.

Not that I don't agree with you, but I don't feel like we should broadcast that we're shoving them out of the chopper until after they help us push the commies out.

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>oy vey

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My bad, let me phrase better then once and for all. I will join the movement that is most likely to succeed in bringing about white nationalism. If libertarians get off their asses and support white Nationalism and have the most support for it, I'll join in. If the natsoc's have the most or equal, I'll join them first.
Even if I joined the libertarian movement I wouldn't be fully satisfied with it, but I'd be willing to set aside my lesser issues with it and join in. My philosophy is one of pragmatism and embracing reality for what it is. Multiracialism has been shown to not work time and time again. All scientific data on it shows it to be a failure and thus I reject it. I also reject the idea of a purely material world view, there are more important things than attaining 100% efficiency or material wealth and I'm willing to sacrifice in that domain to achieve elsewhere.
>Muh breadlines
Didn't happen in natsoc, it happened in Marxist socialism. Natsoc is closer to corporatism. Also natsoc genuinely hasn't been tried before. It didn't fail in Germany because of it, it was forced out during a war.
>Current reality
Nigger try and understand what I'm saying. I am not saying "le current reality," I am saying THE objective singular reality that we live within. The one in which is governed by natural laws and where multiracialism has always failed.
>Human nature is free
No it's not. Human nature has always been collective and we evolved as tribes before we were even fucking human.

You have zero understanding of how the actual logistics of a ancap society would look. It would be more like Greek city states than anything. You better fucking believe part of your contract for living there would be to keep the riff raff out, or you can violate your contract with your community, no longer be covered by the NAP and have to live in the woods with the nigs.

contract with who, the massive "community" government you want to put in place?

just as always, you statists pretend to be ancap and then when there is hard questions, BAM magic government and magic nigger woods.

>Also natsoc genuinely hasn't been tried before. It didn't fail in Germany because of it, it was forced out during war.

Central planning doesn't work, without the war people would be starving in due time.

>Human nature has always been collective and we evolved as tribes before we were even fucking human.

Evolving in tribes or groups doesn't mean you aren't free. Humans have been around far longer than states so by that logic you should support societies without a group of people with a monopoly on force and decision making.

Corporatism is not central planning in the way you think it is. Specifically tell me why it wouldn't work. People were starving in the amount of time between Hitler's ascension and WW2 in the USSR. They are not the same systems. The biggest reason they starved to begin with is because they took all the grain from the peasants and sold it over seas to finance industrialization, liquidated the kulaks, supported collective farms without personal accountability/responsibility, and did massive redistribution of lands to unskilled laborers. That didn't happen under natsoc. Explain why they were destined to starve as you say. Sacrificing a modicom of economic efficiency is not the end of the world.
>Tribes were free
Even if you think this was true you don't get civilization to our level as tribes without a state. But it's not true and it's observable in our nature. Humans rally behind one leader in times of conflict or war and you were always subject to rule by someone.

How would an Ancap society promote gay rights and tolerance for sexual minorities

They're gonna say that some communities will have a social contract allowing and supporting it.
I counter offer the Gay sexostate where the world can send their gays each generation so we don't have to live with them of we don't want to and the gays can be free to be as degenerate as they want. But once you go there you can't leave or else you'll spread your various inevitable super STDs. If they spread from the sexostate then it gets nuked.

I've played enough Resident Evil to know what happens when capitalism is unchecked.

You really don't understand the difference between a community that lives under its own non hierachral social contract and the State? You probably can't even define the difference between the state and the State.

they are going to say a lot of dumb shit and recreate society from the ground up, completely re-inventing the wheel to form some sort of representative voting system when everyone gets a voice and.... bam, massive government all over again

So are you, Mr. Anarchist. Anarchy is a temporary state of chaos through which order is created. It's been done time and time again and is the natural way of reality.

Having to put words in your opponents mouth weakens all your other arguments statist bootlicker. Either upon the founding of the community or a legal resident reaching the agreed upon age of majority, they would be asked to sign a contract laying out the obligations and responsibilities all members are expected to adhere to, or leave.

So nothing would be the answer, fucking do it yourself if you care that much.

My type of Jewish Ideological Ancap has never been tried before. We have a council of learned elders and everything. Its going to be great.

>But once you go there you can't leave or else you'll spread your various inevitable super STDs. If they spread from the sexostate then it gets nuked.

that doesn't sound very nice at all

I would consider such actions discriminatory against sexual minorities

nukes should be banned as well

You shouldn't use the same cadence and phrasing after you switch ID.

>lol let the white race die I want money
Hmm... I wonder how could be behind this post.

Promote your own rights. Form your own community, that's how ancap works. In my mind it would be deincentivized by giving discounts on community subscriptions for those that breed and produce able adults.

Nigger I just said that your solution is that some communities would allow it and others wouldn't based on their founding contract, is there a reason you're sperging out over something that I said about your system that was true?
Hey, you get the sexostate or repression, your choice.
I didn't faggot. Pretty sure I was arguing with him earlier too. I think he's false flagging as an ancap.

am i switching back and forth? how would that work newfag?

Don't worry, Ancap are a bounce of autistic larpers as bad as the neonazis

See:
You fucking schizoid retard

Ancap society would be ultimate social Darwinism, where the white race would prosper the most. Natsoc society would let our brothers and sisters and their children die cruel because some incel didn't like them smoking weed. Not getting into we would all die of starvation because at the end of the day it's still socialism.

Easy there, Moshe.

Taking grain from peasants and leaving them to starve is a form of central planning.

National socialism had price controls, severe restrictions on employers, a welfare state, corrupt legislators and bureaucrats and a central bank. And yet the government kept on growing. All this is a drain on the productive sectors of the economy. Eventually the private economy can't afford the public sector anymore. It just didn't get to this point because of Hitler's defeat. It is no coincidence that Ludwig Erhard's economic reforms helped create the wirschaftwunder.

Then go to Somalia? you don't like government and you don't care about race right?

Go create your utopia.

You won't though because you're a fucking spastic , ANCAP has never successfully existed , which is why you'll sit on the side and bitch and moan about how everything is a failure unless it's muh "real capitalism" , really and truly people like yourself only deserve to have your heads cut off, if you're white you are an embarassment to your ancestors and you will be judged come time.

>subsidize the welfare bums at the cost of the most productive members of society

I wonder who could be behind this post

ancap and socialism are not a spectrum between having family values and being a greedy individual. The family values come from culture, not state regulations.
Beyond my family I don't really care about anyone. And if I do, I donate some voluntarily.

You could define the society as a state OR you could define it as a collective of free individuals who participated in the marketplace voluntarily and created wealth for everyone.
Don't confuse culture with the state.

Where do you think the money to support you after you get fired comes from?
It's just the money you give away each month and instead of you saving for emergencies on your bank account, the government does it for you.
Government is unable to create wealth, it can only gather or and distribute it.

The schizoid problem is great on this board, nigger. You were the one so paranoid as to think two people disagreeing with you were the same person. And not everyone who disagrees has to be Jewish. You're the equivalent of the faggots who sperg about "show your flag" expecting to see an Israeli flag.
Ethnicity is an extended family. And the state can help defend the culture.
The state is not just an economic marketplace it's an extension of the culture too. The state is the collective of individuals.

To have any wealth at all you must accept wealth inequality.
The alternative is that everyone lives like shit.

State doesn't determine how individualistic you are, culture does.
It's another discussion.