How realistic is it for me to expect future girlfriends to be virgins...

How realistic is it for me to expect future girlfriends to be virgins? I myself am a virgin (shocker) because of my own moral principles, and I firmly believe that any girl I'm with in the future should be the same way. After all, its not unfair or hypocritical to expect that if Ive been practicing it myself.

On the other hand, is this mentality unhealthy? I can't see how adhering to a moral code is in any way a bad thing, but at the same time it's driving me insane and paranoid about any girl I meet.
I didn't used to be like this with past GFs, but the further down this moralistic path I go the more discouraging other people are.

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It's okay if you are 15

It's not as uncommon as tv would have you believe, but if you broaden your search to girls who's number is under 5 it becomes a lot more realistic.

If you are older than 16 it's pretty much impossible

What the fuck are you trying to say?

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It's unhealthy to not have sex for "moral reasons", whatever they might be.

It might not be unfair or hypocritical, but it is definitely unrealistic.

I mean im trying to remain purely monogamous. It's not like im morally opposed to sex, I want to make sure it's with an exclusive partner.

It (being a virgin) is not as uncommon as tv (television) would have you believe, but if you broaden your search (who you are willing to date) to girls who's number (number of sexual partners) is under 5 (a lowish number compared to many girls) it becomes a lot more realistic (or reasonable).

>It's unhealthy to not have sex
According to whom?

Can you explain why?

A relationship without sex makes you unhappy and therefore unhealthy.

see I thought you mean't who's AGE is under 5. I wouldn't expect anything better from Jow Forums.

Also 5 partners is kinda high for some kid who probably hasn't even seen a vagina irl

science, human growth and development

If you and your couple are both virgins without any experience whatsoever and you wanna have sex with only one girl in your entire life, you'll never know if there's something better/different. Also, relationships are complicated. Maybe you think you found your ideal partner, smash, and then for some reason you break up. It's unhealthy because
>it's driving me insane and paranoid about any girl I meet

Men prey on virgins. Girls are very bad at seeing when they're preyed upon. Ergo, very unrealistic.

there are plenty, the 10/10 goddess you have been pining for probably isn't a virgin though

women are cock carousel sluts and if you find a virgin she will cheat on you because she missed out on the experience.

OP isn't in a relationship though. He wants to be but he's hung up on how all his prospects are hoes.

Honestly this. No woman goes unfucked by Chad. Either in the past or in the future, there's no escaping it.

Don't delude yourself. Chads only want stacies, not the ugly and pathetic women.

Men preying on virgins is one of the reasons I hung on to mine for so long. The thought of being a trophy or prize for someone made me feel sick and vulnerable.

>never know if there's something better/different
whoah dude if you're going to be exclusive to one other person you love your whole life then there's absolutely no need to "find out" other experiences.
I don't mean to get all Jow Forums, but your kind of mentality is what has been deteriorating the very social fiber that has defined civilization for the past several millennia. Human society is meant to be monogamous.

No, men don't prey on virgins. Only men with a virgin fetish do. And most of them are virgin incels.

How old are you ? and where (country) do you live ?

This
Virgin girls are a turn off for many men because they're unexperienced and clingy
But if that's what you're looking for (I can relate) go for it

I don't want a virgin but at the same time I don't want a cumrag that slept with a hundred people, and holy fucking shit it seems like every woman is just that

Yep. Women who aren't virgins are sluts who were dumb and got used.

>but the further down this moralistic path I go the more discouraging other people are
thats because you believe your path is the only path and everyone else sinners and damned to hell. pretty arrogant of you

You're not a virgin because of moral principles. You're a virgin because no woman wants to touch you.

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

Anyway, what the fuck makes you think a female virgin is going to want you? Men value purity in women, but women value experience in men. In terms of value you're the equivalent of a female whore.

yeah I know that, but at least I have convictions.
huh? I know that it's me and not everyone else, and that it's driving me further away from people. Now what?

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I know virgins in college and I know nonvirgins in college. The virgins include shy girls who generally dislike attention and the particularly loud and abrasive who are paradoxically only looking for love. The nonvirgins are the sorority girls and the church girls. If oral sex or handjobs counts as a loss of virginity to you, the only true virgin I know identifies as asexual. Take that with what you will.

Stop framing your inexperience as a virtue because it's preventing you from cultivating any experience whatsoever.

Your future virgin gf, if she exists, will not fault you for having been with other women before her. She will most likely appreciate it.

Can confirm. My BF had slept with a few people before me and knew how to help me through it. He was able to help me relax and made it a very enjoyable experience. He wasn't a sex god, and we had a lot to learn together, but it was nice to feel reassured during the whole thing.

>monogamous
Not from an evolutionary standpoint. The best possible genes, coming from the best possible partner should be merged to form the best possible / genetically superior children. That's why Chad gets 20x more pussy than you

Well then, i hope you'll be lucky enough to find a virgin gf who loves you for the rest of your life, can be mature enough to argue and having a discussion without getting tired of you after a couple years, and enjoys having shitty sex. I bet your relationship will not be frustrating as fuck. I really believe you'll know how to fulfill her and make her feel good. Your gf will always love you and she will never EVER think of dumping your virgin ass so she can get Chad's cock.

Why didnt you find it gross or devaluing?

thats why weak men ended up dying in conflict and hunting while women remained more or less safe. A society can handle chads getting 20x more pussy if there is proportionately more pussy to go around.

I honestly don’t understand guys who care about dumb shit like that. Who cares if she’s had sex with a couple of past boyfriends before? As long as she’s never cheated on them, that doesn’t raise the chance that she’ll cheat on you.

Because its gross and reduces the value of intimacy to that of maybe mini-golf.

How would you know? You've never been intimate with anyone.

Short answer, why should I?

Virginity isn't "real," it's just an arbitrarily defined concept used to denote value on other people, and I want nothing to do with the whole system. This is proven simply by having a group of people individually define virginity. The answers will vary wildly. There isn't a universally agreed upon metric due to e-sex, oral sex, and anal sex existing, and it's so grossly heteronormative that it places the importance on the man's role in sex (if I just smash cunts, no penis is involved, I guess I'm still a virgin by some definitions?). It doesn't suit my needs and feeds the egos of dumb men and women who buy into the system that will tell me my pussy's interactions with dicks is all that matters about my potential "status" or "values." No thanks.

Moreover, I theoretically cut out these men and women from my dating pool, which is a great bonus because I don't have to waste my time with them. I say theoretically because I've yet to meet a man who values virginity in women not down to smash if it's easy, making the whole moral affront a charade and proving the point that caring about :muh virginity" is only for outward social performance.

I've only "fucked" one guy, but some might say I lost my virginity to my ex when I gave him head, or my previous e-partners bc we jacked off together on cam. I'm happy with my sex life and I'm happy with my current man. That's all that matters.

hey he gets it.
Some people just view sex as something deeply intimate and more than something you just kinda do. personally I've personally only had sex with 1 gf of mine, but it was earned over time so to speak. I think its okay if a future gf has had 1 or 2 partners in the past, as long as they were strong relationships. Women who just fuck after the first date lost that understanding of intimacy in the past, and won't have an issue with betraying it in the future.

>I say theoretically because I've yet to meet a man who values virginity in women not down to smash if it's easy, making the whole moral affront a charade and proving the point that caring about :muh virginity" is only for outward social performance.
maybe im a dummy, but im having trouble understanding this sentence. Could you elaborate ples?

Men who bitch about how terrible sluts are and how they want to be a pure virgin bf/have a pure virgin gf often have no problem fucking them once you get them alone, making them shitty hypocrites. I've had quite a few men come onto me months after arguing that virginity is stupid because they think I'm an essy lay. Turning them down was always extra satisfying.

Confused. Are you a virgin/nonvirgin, guy/girl?

Can you not fucking read? Do you not know how to follow post chains?

Whatever you are, you are angry and dumb.

No retard, I'm just not spoonfeeding you. If you don't know how to follow the post chain and read the previous posts to understand the context, that's on you, not me. What site did you just come from?

>making them shitty hypocrites
But the whole point of that is to have exclusivity. How is that hypocritical? Its not like they see the act of sexual intercourse as a bad thing, just the disappreciaton of it.

It takes two to tango. If you find that the "increase" in casual sex and nonvirgin women is bad, then you proceed to participate in casual sex and contribute to the culture that makes women lose their virginities casually, you are a part of the problem and have no right to bitch.

What the FUCK are you talking about? You literally just talked about 2 virgin partners in your last post, now you're pretending like these two "theoretical" monogamous partners are contributing to the slew of promiscuity.
Stop fucking posting if you can't keep track of your own thoughts

>A relationship without sex makes you unhappy
Lol no, my wife was a virgin when we were married. During the week year relationship we did just fine. Not everyone is lead around by pussy tingles.

>science
All hail our new god and it's prophets, the scientists.

>Not from an evolutionary standpoint
Well we are no longer merely biological beings, we are now influenced heavily by the world of ideas and have been for thousands of years.

>human growth and development
Deferral of gratification has been the single greatest step the ancients took towards the future we now live in. This applies to sex as well.

Ebin incel poster

Get over it unless it's religious

>heteronormative
>I theoretically cut out these men and women
Oh, one of "those".

>week year
Two year

See, I agree you shouldn't fuck everything you possibly can. I've met people before who were chads fucking every girl, and now they have 5 baby mommas and only see half of their kids on Wednesday. But, just because a woman had sex once, twice, thrice shouldn't mean you should completely cut her off, in our society sex before marriage isn't taboo anymore (quite the opposite) so if a woman has had sex and you don't wanna date her, I mean, cool. But, you're gonna be disappointed to find out that most aren't virgins.

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It is religious desu.

Heres the stupid part about wanting virgin partner: if you breakup, your moral code gets thrown away.

That's not unrealistic at all, given that you're waiting as well.
>is this mentality unhealthy?
Absolutely not. It's not your fault society has lost its morality, and it's also hardly unreasonable to be wary of people you meet because of it.

Not if you wait until marriage.

>Who cares if she’s had sex with a couple of past boyfriends before?
Anyone with an ounce of moral fiber or a few functional neurons.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2012.00996.x/abstract
>Bivariate results suggested that delaying sexual involvement was associated with higher relationship quality across several dimensions. The multivariate results indicated that the speed of entry into sexual relationships was negatively associated with marital quality, but only among women."

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x/abstract
>"I find that premarital sex or premarital cohabitation that is limited to a woman's husband is not associated with an elevated risk of marital disruption. However, women who have more than one intimate premarital relationship have an increased risk of marital dissolution."

psycnet.apa.org/record/2010-25811-011
>"Both structural equation and group comparison analyses demonstrated that sexual restraint was associated with better relationship outcomes, even when controlling for education, the number of sexual partners, religiosity, and relationship length."

>Not if you wait until marriage.
>Implying divorce doesn't exist and your husband/wife WILL have to be with you their entire life even if they hate your guts.

>he got married to someone he disliked
The point is to spend more than a year dating them so that DOESN'T happen.

She is either cheating on you or asexual.

In addition to , divorce rates for those who wait are far lower, even controlling for religion (which actually has a relatively modest effect, a tenth the size of the gap between whores/degenerates and those who wait).

See this is great and all, until you marry a virgin and find out that she's a virgin because she doesn't want to have sex at all.

It's the same bullshit. Marriage changes people

>implying that you can't talk about this without whoring around

I'm with you, brother. I am 18 years old and have never had a gf. I am not religious, but I crave exclusivity in a monogamous relationship. I have no experience and cannot assign myself any worth. In other words, I don't know what makes me valuable to the female I am envisioning. No doubt my views will have unhealthy consequences.

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>of course I'll have sex with you every day in any way you want after we get married
>wut? I don't want to have sex with you. Disgusting. I'm your wife, that doesn't mean I have to have sex with you.

>of course I'll have sex with you every day in any way you want after we get married
This is a retarded premise. If a man cares enough about morality to restrain himself, he won't be thinking with his dick so much as to demand this nonsense.
>Disgusting. I'm your wife, that doesn't mean I have to have sex with you.
This is also a retarded premise, since you need sex for children. If there's someone who is completely asexual, this will probably come out quite quickly.

Serious question. Are you asexual? Since you hate sex so much.

They're not intrinsically unhealthy desires, far from it actually. It's just nearly unviable in today's social climate. If you manage to find a girl you love who also is a virgin and want's a monogamous relationship, lock that down right away.
it's incredibly unlikely that you would marry someone after dating them for a year and NOT have discussed the possibility of sex at some point, and if you didn't it would be a bit of a red flag.

>wants sex after marriage = asexual
Look, man, I'm no presiserp of his fanclub but holy shit you're on some next level retard here.
If you're gonna shit on a tripfag, try not to look even dumber than you already are

>Since you hate sex so much.
If your monkey brain can't conceive of sexual restraint being separate from reckless sex, that's on you. Sex within marriage is completely fine, outside of it, not so much.
>Are you asexual?
No, but I'd rather die alone than compromise on morality.
>inb4youwill
Okay.

I'm the same but I don't think it's feasible now that I'm 28. I don't have a virgin fetish but I want someone with my level of experience because if I went into a relationship with a girl who had previous partners I know it would eat away at me. If I had also had several girlfriends it wouldn't bother me. Basically I'm not capable of having a relationship with a normal girl my age which means I'll probably never have one. At least I'll be able to save a lot of money.

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Thank you for for ruining my thread, guys

Just aim for someone who is 21 or younger. Its not creepy once you both are adults.

I gave you an answer to OP and even posted sources. I can give you more sources on the likelihood of finding a virgin, too, if you're in the US.
Don't blame me for the inevitable legions of screeching hedonists.

>Its not creepy once you both are adults.
I feel like I could get away with it while I'm under 30 at least but there's a reason I reached 28 without touching a girl.

You should not need an entire thread to fucking tell you, "selling your beliefs out for sex is going to leave you immensely unhappy."

Okay fine, please tell me where all these virgins are hiding

>Its not creepy once you both are adults.
I'm sorry my friend, but it's just legal. It's always creepy.

cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/s.htm#sexualactivity
I can't tell you where they are, and odds are they will skew religious, but as far as raw chance is concerned, these are the stats for the US.
It'll probably be much harder if you're in Northern or Western Europe. Eastern Europe is a mixed bag after what the commies did.

if you're not having sex at all, maybe, if you're just saving it for later, it's not, and definetely healthier than the other extreme - having sex with everyone you meet

This is useless

I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but people don't have to have sex to be happy in their relationship