Does anyone else feel themselves slowly sliding towards MGTOW for completely practical reasons?
Even ignoring divorce rape and the other kinds of relationship bullshit, there's nothing appealing about a relationship on paper.
Let's picture a perfectly "healthy" relationship - I provide a woman with physical protection, income, DIY skills, problem solving skills etc. etc. for what practical benefit in return? Absolutely fuck all.
Why would I want to spend the entire rest of my life living with and entertaining some physically weak and mentally vapid human being for absolutely nothing practical in return? Wow, I get a hole to put my dick in and my brain releases some happy chemicals when I'm around her!? Let me sign away half of my life and half of my paycheck right this second!!
The problem with MRAs, MGTOWs, and incels (but I repeat myself) is that their brains are wired to think like women.
This is a result of their upbringing by single mothers. They take up the alt-right as a rebellion against mommy, but they don't rid themselves of the feminist tenets that mommy raised them with. This is how you end up with edgelords who hate women and think they are shallow sub-humans, yet they unquestionably believe women have agency like them, are logical beings like them, are attracted only to looks like them.
Ironically, the incel brain ends up being more feminine than masculine. Incels have no agency, nothing in their life is their fault, they are powerless to fix anything in their life. This is exactly how a woman thinks.
So we arrive at the ultimate redpill. The only way to fix incels is to deprogram their brains and force them to think like men, perhaps for the first time in their lives. We do this by relying on the common link between MRAs, MGTOWs, and incels: their extreme sexual frustration.
Luis Howard
Here is the plan.
We identify incels, trap them in the wild, and send them to regional incel processing centers. Kind of like going to prison: take off your clothes, get hosed down and deloused, checked for STDs (lol, don't have to worry about that).
After they are confirmed clean, they are transported to a large, featureless room with all the other incels. Kind of like a padded gymnasium. The only way out is you either buttfuck another incel or you get buttfucked by another incel. No food or water until then, the last thing we want is to encourage complacency, the common trait among incels. (Plenty of K-Y, though.)
The initial buttfucking is just a method to separate groups, as follows.
The buttfucked group, having established the ultimate personality trait of a woman (i.e., submission), gets sent to Level 1 training. Groups of female volunteers will take the buttfucked incels and turn them into passable traps. Waxing, makeup, pretty clothes, all that jazz. Some of them are going to like this, that's OK, they can be sent on to the "gender reassignment centers" (i.e., cremation ovens). But most aren't going to like it. Tough titties: as long as you think like a woman you're going to get fucked like one.
The buttfuckers, having established aptitude in the masculine trait of dominance, get promoted to Level 2 training. Here they will take the Level 1 trainees on dates. Proper dates, where they are going to treat the traps like proper ladies: open the doors for them, order their food for them, decide what movies they will see together (invariably some anime shit). And then they're going to take the traps home and fuck their brains out.
The Level 1 trainees get promoted when they demonstrate that they're willing to change their life to think like men instead of women. And the Level 2 trainees graduate from the program, and are released back into the wild, when they can take the traps on dates and treat them as women should be treated.
Cameron Jenkins
Nope. Even though most would think I'm a prime candidate for it. But I am always hopeful, and may have (finally) met her, "the one".
Levi Thompson
Nope, don't be a fag OP. Its easy to write all women, men, group x,y or z off when you have a metastasized prejudice against them based on information bias and over saturation of memetic ordinance designed to fracture and fragment the bonds between groups and turn them against each other. Stop thinking with your dick, if your looking for a "hole" to fuck, go fuck your couch. You want a long term partner? Be someone worth partnering up with, and focus on her emotional stability, not her #/10 rating. You're the sum of everyone and everything that has come before you, which makes you the cornerstone to everything that can/will come after you. Doesn't have to be biological, but the train needs to keep going. Salvation through sufference. Dont be a pussy and you'll find contentment one way or another.
Dominic Perez
>for what practical benefit in return?
The promise of fidelity and raising your snot nosed kids. At least that's what it was supposed to be.
Wyatt Rogers
is there a reason why do you want to be a homosexual?
Camden Collins
the one who will let you down. You are almost there user.
If i cannot create then I shall destroy.
Lucas Jenkins
More for me you fucking coward cry baby. Why not just kill your self, you genetic dead end?
...or maybe get out of your comfort zone and actually live, faggot.
;)
>alsosage
Daniel Reed
Moishe, please stop making this thread. It's getting embarassing also sage
Cooper Roberts
deja vu
Elijah Ross
>Let's picture a perfectly "healthy" relationship - I provide a woman with physical protection, income, DIY skills, problem solving skills etc. etc. for what practical benefit in return? Absolutely fuck all. Maybe if you have the mind of a teenager and the only thing you WANT from a woman is sex, then it's easy to see things that way. Normal stable men need an emotional relationship with a stable female counterpart
I’m not necessarily pushing myself towards MGTOW, but I’m fed up with a it of women, especially my current girlfriend. Acting like she’s entitled to my money and is overly emotional, puts way too much emotional weight on me. But previous girlfriends were like that. Where are the sanr women? I’m getting frustrated
Gavin Lopez
>stable female counterpart Therein lies the fucking problem. Decent women exist, but they're few and far between. Good luck having the stars align perfectly to encounter her, attract her, and keep her.
Jose Walker
How old are you? Don't be another Eliott Rodger...he was just a loser.
Carter Thompson
Then why is it that I look like the light hair guy am a virgin for purity reasons, and I'm still the ire of every group?
I'm in a similar boat. I haven't been on a date since last summer, and have no desire to go on one. It's just a sea of cell phone and social media addicted whores who are incapable of uttering a single interesting word. Most of them are highly in debt. It amazes me how many of these chicks openly tell you how upside down in debt they are and still expect you to take them seriously as relationship material, knowing at the end of the tunnel is a big fat check for the money THEY borrowed and can't pay back.
Charles Lee
So much hate and thought behind a fantasy over a minority of people you shouldn't care about.
Joseph Ramirez
the quality of women has consistently gone down and it's hard to meet someone who's not crazy nowadays. i started reading the bible again, started to challenge myself to follow the word of god and live a clean life. try to have faith and believe in his plans. i am nexting people who dont believe in god. you dont have to believe in jesus christ but you have to believe that there is a creator of this world and his creation contains a set of rules that is best to be followed if you want a fulfilling and happy life. anything else is just placing yourself at the center of the universe, those women i dont want. so as i search, i read the word of god and try to walk the path jesus once did. no miracles coming from me, but i guess staying out of trouble and keeping a clear head when it comes to judging women (think with your bigger head instead) is going to be the path forward.
Ayden Russell
I'm an autistic beta male with severe mental deficiencies. Women don't like me and never will, so why bother?
Michael Bell
Same thread, same model from the other photos. Nobody with a modicum of maturity does MGTOW, sport.
Austin Murphy
Trying to find a decent woman in the UK is true suffering.
Yeah my girlfriend is a cunt and we live together. She’s part nigger and I make fun of her for it, she’s a good lay but she wants kids and I’m not gonna fuck with that. I want someone white but I’ve fucked up already and screwed a jigaboo. Should I kms?
Brandon Miller
I'll fuck ya
Brayden King
Yea. I just broke up with my girlfriend of two years . Im 35 years old. Ive had plenty of relationships and while I am obviously not without fault for my own actions I see the popposite sex as damaged beyond repair. For the most part at least. I think Im going to take a long break from dating. If I meet a nice girl later in the future I can marry I may get back into it but as of right now Im tired and worn out from trying to find any lasting meaningful relationship.
The thing is that someone that is usualy the dominan one will have to be marked as a submisive one as eventualy someone has to fk someone or they die .
if there are 2 ”alpha” males left one has to get buttfucked , or they will die , so witch will it be , get raped or get dead , of course they are gonna play a game of chance like rock paper sissors , and the one who losses gets buttfucked
so a alpha male get put in the ”women” camp
you luckly you have a failsafe as lvl1 can be promoted
but now the problem is the following: ”what if to betas play a game of change for one to get buttfucked so both can escape” , now you got a beta in a alpha pen and cant be demoted
Brody Price
Women are little pieces of garbage.
Parker Miller
I've seen healthy and unhealthy relationships. I honestly want a longterm wife and a couple kids, nuclear family. But I also think MGTOWs make a lot of good points. My basic idea is to factor in how marriages usually affect careers and lifestyles, and how much damage divorces can do. Then, before settling into a longterm relationship or marriage, set up the kind of career and lifestyle that I want, and that can hopefully absorb some potential damage from divorce or whatever. Then, find a woman who's as compatible with and supportive of that lifestyle and career as possible, as well as, as low risk and drama as possible. I'm in my late 20s now, so my goal is to settle down with a girl in her mid to late 20s when I'm in my early to mid 30s. I recognize this means finding a woman who's sexually and physically feminine (for attraction's sake), but maybe mentally a little more on the logical/masculine end. It's a little weird, but that's fine.
Reported to the THOT police; turn yourself into the Winston Churchill Gulag for 30 days of re-education, Nigel
Elijah Adams
>women have no agency, whoch is why it's current men's faults and we should allow women to still have rights. Hypergamy is unstoppable. Women will keep raising the bar until only genghis fucking khan with 10/10 looks xan get laid. Look at the match ratios over the years eith online dating, you can see it getting worse. Striking out at other men is no better than punching right because the leftists called you a name. Incel is racist all over again, and you are falling for it hard with a full on 'no you're the real racist!' level spergout.
Joshua Brooks
It sounds like you might be looking for a rare breed, an alpha woman. I found one. They are very special and good luck!
Benjamin Hughes
or as I call her, "the forty-seven"
you could be her "the one hundred" if you're really lucky little buddy
Asher Stewart
Hypergamy is hardcoded but rightwing tradcucks are too dumb to get that
Jace Edwards
Yes you need to be a stable man as well to attract her. Good luck on that, user.
Connor Diaz
These thoughts have led me to raising my standards. I'm not accepting such one sided relationships, where my only benefit would be some sex and psychological comfort. I demand my partner to be willing to gain income along with having several practical skills on her own, to share our knowledge mutually. Also, fuck having children and plenty of other traditional, useless garbage.
Wyatt Sanchez
This shit will get fixed when muslims bring back grooming.
Bentley Garcia
She's trying to copy Jess Southern with that outfit. Apparently thinks she's hot shit.
Which is why women in your country are voting for migrants that respond to their bullshit with acid attacks. The jew would lose all power if women were disenfranchised.
Nolan King
>I provide a woman with physical protection, income, DIY skills, problem solving skills etc. etc. for what practical benefit in return? Absolutely fuck all. Pretty much this. All you get is a (occasionally)moist hole. Everything else is on you. You provide the emotional support, you provide the entertainment, you provide the housing, you provide food. It's like having a very expensive pet who's only use is fucking. And even that pretty stops once you marry.
Funny thing is this will hit women a lot harder than men. Once their looks gone women really struggle.
Eli Kelly
Maybe in Germany where you have blonde hair because of your Russian grandfather
Joshua Gutierrez
Mgtow is a trick
Jonathan Ross
& to remind ppl of the nightmarish reality that these 'women' created: if u want to breed/reproduce u can just go to a 3rd world country & fuck as many women as u can, then just leave (..lol..) i wont suggest doing that, but that reality exists already
Actually, that won't last long. When you have too many poor people who can't even survive let alone get laid crime goes up. In a few generations it will be damn near impossible to be a NEET in most of the west, gov't handouts will have to get cut and most people really have no decient family anymore.
Christopher Morris
I'm only here for sauce
Adam Lewis
She was fuckin hot too. Oh well. After I ended it she immediately starts hitting the bars, calling me drunk, being a total cunt, and using her ass as leverage to try and make me jealous. Fuckin broad actually thought Id get jealous she was out getting dicked down and ask her to come back. This obviously had the complete opposite effect on me and now I feel I dodged a bullet. Dumb cunts man
Robert Fisher
America has the most divorces out of any white country
So don't talk shit Mr. Rodriguez Gutierez Wangilivitch.
Nolan Price
>Once their looks gone women really struggle. Too bad they will almost NEVER admit it.
>Me? Struggling? Oh sweetie, I'm living the dream. I have a career(boring office job) of being a consultant(receptionist) at a big marketing company(retarded internet marketing startup). I love my life! >*comes back to a tiny apartment with 3 cats and drinks wine until she collapses to work another day tomorrow* Meanwhile men: >working a relatively easy engineering job, probably with computers >comes back to a nice apartment with nice pc setup, big kitchen, a room dedicated to their hobbies >spend the evening hanging out with friends or enjoying their hobbies
Levi Martin
Men have also walked away from marriage
It's not a good deal
Women can earn their own money thanks to technology so their standards are higher
>what practical benefit in return Someone to provide you the emotional comfort you so clearly need. Find a woman who complements you. I'm a lazy SOB who would jerk off and smoke pot all day if it weren't for my on-the-go girlfriend that enjoys planning dates and trips. She also gives me something to care about, but otherwise I care fuck all. I have a great job w/ 6 figure income before 30, but no real motivation to live my life until she came along.
I guess what I'm trying to say is the right woman will kill your apathy.
Colton Martinez
>I need someone else to be alpha on my behalf
Your forefathers found the solution to hypergamy. Why haven't you?
>Being such an insufferable faggot as to not consider simple conscription.
You don't defend your country with betas with the brains of women. That's how we got here in the first place, fake nordic country.
I'm genuinely impressed by this, most of Jow Forums is too insecure with their heterosexuality to actually read the copypasta and think critically about it. So it sounds like we need a way to demote level 2 back down to level 1. Maybe they only get a certain amount of time/dates before they have to start over or something. If we get a consensus on this fix I will incorporate this into future shitposting.
Nathaniel Morris
Delusion: the post
Luis Wilson
mgtow and feminism are two sides of the same shekel. They both lead away from the nuclear family unit. The nuclear family unit is the backbone of civilization. It ensures that men are husbands and fathers and that women are wives and mothers. It ensures that children are raised by both of their parents which increases their happiness and success in life.
Men are not supposed to go their own way. Men lead the way. Men are creators and the most powerful thing they can create is a family.
Feminism teaches women to nurture their college education and working careers. Both of these drastically pale in comparison to the might of the family. Women are nurturers and the most powerful thing they can nurture is a family.
You mean force them to do their part for society. How about fuck you and fuck our slave like species. Being a MGTOW is checking out of the system because we see it for the bullshit it is. Many of us know there's no escaping it because it's part of our DNA, I'd just rather not contribute to this sham than be an obedient slave like you. Everything comes with sacrifice, I simply value the freedoms I have more than being a pet to the system.
Xavier Rodriguez
Here's where you have to worry, she makes false rape charges against you now or later on down the road. With social media it's piss easy to get digitally lynched and for the most part women get away with it, seen it happen to a few buddies who had to flee the state their ex lived in.
Some honest advice for you, block her I mean totally block her from your phone and any social media you have. Dude, if she's doing this now I guaruntee you she not only resents you but is just going down the list of ideas she has to fuck with you, be smart.
Here, another horror story, a buddy of mine used his linkedin to totally fuck over his ex. She had a conivtion a long time ago that was public record, he followed her linkedin right to her boss, got her fired. Women do that shit to men all the time, it's also how attourneys find out where people work so they can have them served. Hate to sound tinfoil but i've seen this shit too many times to count. Once women loose their looks watch out.
yeah neat fucking fan-fic faggot. You've got no chance.
Andrew Ross
Yo German/bro, how are the divorce rates over there? I've read that in Bayernland it's quite low due to the Catholic influence. Sad to say Catholicism doesn't have that affect here, we get all the bad and hardly any of the good. It's hilarious when you see the Catholic church running adds on TV, it's damn near always a procession through some Bavarian or Southern Euopean village, never some degenerate shithole here.
Also, was reading that it's damn near impossible to get an abortion over there? That it's technically illegal? God that's awesome if true.
>"the ultimate redpill" >Not liking MGTOW retards and whatever offshoots they have Did you mean penultimate? Otherwise I'm long past this redpill
Leo Stewart
If only it was that easy, over here the divorce is just the beginning. Damn near all the people I knew who were married are divorced and still have to fight their ex. They go out of their way to make their lives a living hell, it's too damn easy to ruin a man here.
A companion who will stand with you through thick and thin. I love my gf, she is my best friend and someone I can trust to 100% and she trusts me the same way.
You explore the world together and give eachother new knowledge and experiences.You help each other out to achieve your common and individual goals.
You guys are lonely, not because women are crap, but because you are unwanted by women. You despise them because they don't find you attractive, funny or a good companion.
Just face it.
Women need handsome, smart, strong and financially stable men. And EVERY man can achieve this, but you have to put some god damn effort into it.
You HAVE to study, you HAVE to work out, you HAVE to care about your appearance. And this isn't something unusual.
You are all just lazy and to stupid to understand that in order to gain a gf and later a wife you have to work for it. in the same way that you dumb fucks have standards for a girlfriend, they will have a standard that you will have to live up to.
>hate women and think they are shallow sub-humans, Women are sub human you fucking idiot
Eli Moore
>I abandoned women because they 're simply impractical! -incel sent his own way
Noah Lewis
All the incels hated this :^)
Brandon Phillips
MGTOW is a classic case of being "redpilled" instead of redpilled.
It takes a special kind of self-serving retard to live on a board that blames the jews for every sort of psychological propaganda present in the West yet to think he organically and logically decided that taking himself out of the gene pool and leaving white women with the blacks is the only way out of the mess he created.
Brandon Cook
>Damn near all the people I knew who were married are divorced and still have to fight their ex. I actually just had that experience. About 2 years ago while I was living in Ireland a lot of my friends got married in a short amount of time. I want back to poland 5 times for a wedding that year.
Two years later and 3 out of those 5 people are already divorced. Just few weeks ago I went out with one of them and all they could talk about was minute details of their failed relationship and constantly struggling to understand what went wrong because his wife just decided the relationship wasn't what she was looking for one day and just left. I'm trying to be supportive but in my mind I'm reaching cringe levels that shouldn't even be possible.
It's like a meme playing out in real life. I feel bad for the guy.
>Does anyone else feel themselves slowly sliding towards MGTOW for completely practical reasons? No, but I did lose all my respect for women as a whole.
>Even ignoring divorce rape My country's law has a wonderfull loophole that allows me to screw bitches royally if they try. Basically according to the law, I can only be forced to pay 30% of my salary in child support, DIVIDED BY ALL CHILDREN I NEED TO PAY IT TO.
Therefore if I go around having unprotected sex with a whole lot of bitches and impregnate them all, the child support will become progressivelly lower to each bitch. Sure, I will still have to pay 30% of my salary, but I can make sure the bitch that took me to the cleaner in the first place will get so little it will be basically a slap to the face every single month!
Jaxson Murphy
I was at a local bar last night mostly know as the place the older couples and singles hang out - most women were near or past 50.
I’d say about 99% had let themselves go beyond repair. There were maybe 2 hotties who still worked hard to keep their looks, even then they can’t fight it forever.
I’m 38 - that shit hit me hard. I take care of myself thankfully but I realized I need to find a woman to settle down with that I can force to continue taking care of her looks or else I’m going to be stuck with one of the 99%
Henry Ross
Here's the problem, men here for the most part are so fucked beyond belief it's scary, that and many of us have been ruined. Look at our politics, we've been in fuck you mode for a bit. Guaruntee you sooner or later they'll just start chimping out, either that or withdrawing from society even more. You see that now with taxes, many people work remotely and are now leaving high tax areas that have high single mom populations and welfare bums. Women do use abortion as birth control so I see a lot of this bs ending. Also, sooner or later I know states will start fixing the shit divorce laws. When you get super conservative states that tends to happen. My other hope is sooner or later abortion is made illegal here, that will really solve a lot of problems. Even in Poland it's that bad? Shame. Hope there weren't kids involved, hate how people drag kids into their own mess, happens all the time here. Pardon my burger autism, thought religion helped keep some of that stuff in check.
Jason Sanchez
I'm pretty much going my own way until I can afford to travel abroad to find a traditional wife abroad and give her a comfortable life. The relationships that I see don't appeal to me. I want a wife, not an equal partner. So for now I guess you could say I'm mgtow but hopefully I find a nice wife one day.. Probably won't happen boohoo
>implying it was the mgtow "choice" to be an incel virgin
lol
Cooper Rivera
I appreciate this sentiment, as I don't find "MGTOW" to be productive, but this puts an awful lot of importance onto the nuclear family unit. Is this really that important, today? It's utility is in raising children, but if you have no desire to have children then what utility would it provide to you? Is your proposition that everyone should want to procreate? Does that not lead to unwanted and neglected children, further causing strain on the family unit? Seems to me any theories predicated on the belief that the family unit are missing the mark.
I believe the problem are the tensions between the sexes, built upon our cultural and societal norms, are being challenged in ways they never have before. Insecure men will point to the rise of birth control, feminism, and porn for the reason they're single and insecure women will point to MGTOW and redbills for reasons they're into hookups or other women.
The truth is those secure in themselves don't see a problem. They treat members of the other sex as human beings, with respect, and that quiet confidence is why they're happy and you're not.
Matthew Foster
>Your forefathers found the solution to hypergamy. Why haven't you?
Because my sexual market is not a woman who is forced to marry within the local village
This. I was a regular normie guy who was slightly more conservative than leftie but thought I was a leftie. Got married at 26, had a little girl together, life was great. Then a bluepilled literal kikesse starting working with my wife and she convinced her that she'd be better off alone, so my wife left me, took our daughter, our house, my savings, ghosted me, and it took me a year just to track her down with the help of a PI. I filed CS on myself, and the fuckers dragged their feet FOR TWO YEARS because I didn't know the name of my baby girl (wife took off at 6 months pregnant), and they for some reason wouldn't find out. I've spent over $15,000 on legal shit, while all of her stuff is paid for by the state because muh wammin, and she gets well over 50% of my take-home because the whole "it's only 20% of your income goy" bullshit is a fucking lie. I sent her a letter through the mail because she ghosted all social media and got a new number, saying essentially "please consider getting back together; I miss you and I love you and I want to be a part of my daughter's life". She filed a restraining order and it fucking stuck. Said if I contacted her again she would "tell the police about the sexual abuse" (there was none). I now live in a trailer while she gets the house I paid for to raise our daughter in, and I get to see her twice a month. My mother has to pick her up because of the restraining order. All this and she gets told that she's strong, brave, while she raises my daughter to hate me. I fucking refuse to go through this all again. I married Jow Forums's dream girl. Christian, innocent, red-headed qt, wore dresses, etc. She's now indistinguishable from leftie whores and acts the part as well. Someone will call me a lying kike, I'm sure, but go to any forum for single dads and you'll see that my story is anything but unique. It's in fact fairly par for the course. I know that I'm doing what (((they))) want. I don't care.
Nolan Rivera
why the flying fuck
Nathaniel Thomas
> Focus on yourself and self improvement > Build a harem of women to fuck > Never commit to them - no cohabitation or marriage > Breed them like no tomorrow to build a legacy > Reward your parents mothers with good behaviour like dogs > Abuse the system as much as possible (avoid tax) > Live a very basic stoic life - walks in the park etc.
Your legacy will live on through your kids, you will contribute to the collapse and reset by abusing the system, and you will have a good time with little desires and wants in the process.
>Even in Poland it's that bad? My case is kinda special because I'm from the capitol city, which is the most westernized part of Poland. So that's nothing to be surprised about. >thought religion helped keep some of that stuff in check. It does in most of the country. Warsaw is special because so many people here used to live abroad(like me). >Hope there weren't kids involved Fortunately in all 3 cases none. Which is kinda weird. Why did they marry if they didn't do it with kids in mind? My guess would be that they thought it would make the happy(the marriage itself). Which is fucking retarded.
I'm starting to think I have to look for a wife in the rural areas. I work remotely, maybe I could move to a nice below 1k citizens town to look.
Dude. On Friday a 19 year old pawg spent the night. We fucked,got drunk,watched terrible action movies and she sucked my dick the next morning. She did the same tonight.
Im 29. I smoke weed every day. I spend 8 hours on Jow Forums a day.
All I do is offer dick and warmth and I get pussy? shiiiit my dude thats real MGTOW
>imagine not having sex with women and think your winning in any way
Lucas Morgan
broads take time away from fishing and golf /thread t. aerospace engineer
Carter Murphy
>I sent her a letter through the mail because she ghosted all social media and got a new number, saying essentially "please consider getting back together; I miss you and I love you and I want to be a part of my daughter's life" >She filed a restraining order Jesus Holy Christ... I'm so sorry man. So sorry.
Can we just agree that women don't have any comprehension of morality? Wtf...
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Luke Gutierrez
>implying it was the mgtow "choice" to be an incel virgin
It's always a choice, my brown friend. That's the real redpill.
>what about incels?
They're all part of the same group, man. I already said that.
