Jordan Peterson

Of course. Except when it's for Jews and we are lucky they rule over us. Long live Zionism!

And collectively remember the Holocaust. THAT is very important.

>become famous as a result of
the Jews chosing him as a gatekeeper and using all their media power to shill for him and to destroy white identity.

If you stop conflating society with government, you will understand the clever word games he is pulling. Individualism is great in context of government, as you should be judged based on your actions and your actions alone. Collectivism is what happens naturally in society, as humans are tribal creatures. Jordan (purposefully) conflates the two in order to drive the agenda that white should not organize to act in their interests, and it's actually quite masterful when you see how well it works.

>Should the individual always triumph over the collective?
The collective should seek to protect the rights, freedoms, and responsibilities of it's constituent members.

The individual should contribute to the betterment of the collective both by improving himself and upholding the cultural values of the collective.

Only in a state of war is it acceptable to sacrifice the well-being of the individual for the sake of the collective. It is best if this sacrifice is voluntary.

WASH YOUR PENIS AND LET YOUR WIFE FUCK JAMAL

logos is important, however as purpose to guide an individual or collectives it's a bit of a cop out, as it represents a mechanisms and not an end goal

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If you see his wife you'd understand why he would say such a thing.

STOP JOINING TOGETHER WHITES! DIE FOR ISRAEL!!

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Do you think he hatched his plan all by himself or were they behind his rise? I gotta give him props, he really planned out the subversion well.
youtube.com/watch?v=WXYuqrO8LLo

The individual and the collective are not mutually exclusive. One is built on top of the other. Individualism can flourish only in a homogenous, coherent society that has a foundation of collective history, culture, biology and destiny.

Peterson's scam is trying to convince you that it's even possible to separate yourself from any collective identity. It isn't. We evolved in cooperative groups with common ideals and objectives. The individual emerges from that and sits atop it.

They are not independent of the other. They are complimentary.

Him and joe came up with it after a night of furious buttsex.

Of course Individual Liberty is the only way. Another topic that cannot be debated .

It’s funny how Peterson holds his lectures in front of thousands and thousands of white people. It’s almost as if other races are not that interested in individualism.

Vox Day discussing Jorden Peterson
Ko31

m.youtube.com/watch?v=gdVDMsgNhl8
Proper link

Anti jordan peterson shills are discord trannies.

I wanna sniff Bratass

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Yes, and that's why Israel must be destroyed.

More importantly, should the benis be cleaned?

Right about what exactly? He's most certainly wrong about atheism. Most certainly wrong about communism.

I suppose you imagine he is right because when commies want to take his stuff it hurts he fee fees.

Nah, he was chosen for the task. Not an organic rise to fame at all. You don't get put on television with actual talking time by accident.

there is no collective.

Yep, its a wildly idealistic solution to his perceived problems with ideologies.

>life is hell!!
>btw listen to my advice about life
Yikes. If you think life is hell maybe you don't know how to live it sir

There is no individual. Checkm9 btfoist.

Only in a culturally homogeneous collective can the individual be given maximum space for self expression without the destruction of the the culture the individual inhabits.

Peterson subverts Jung's individuation concepts in order to push his agenda.

I liked the guy for a while, then I read the people he was citing aaaand lets just say he twists their concepts and patches their philosophies together to suit his own end.

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The collective will always win, that's the law of nature and our very own history has proven it.

The Africans can't be bothered (low IQ maybe??). The Asians are Commies(Chinks) and Conformists(Japs)

If you are white.

If you truly want people to be fully redpilled, you don't try to tear down a guy who is handing out 'baby's first redpill' to millions.
>unless you don't
>inb4 muh Juden Peterstein

Only NPCs should be considered a collective.

Dumb dialectic

>Was he right?
Yes.

>Should the individual always triumph over the collective?
This is a strawman.

Juden Pederstein is a shill here's a good vid to bring ya out of his magical spell
youtu.be/pMm8ESQF2qQ

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>implying I shouldn't look forward to the apocalypse
Opinion discarded. I've invested too much in bike leathers, chains and hair spray to turn back now.

>muh individualism
>muh collective
Both are idiotic positions. The solution to this problem is the organic state. Each person, not atomized individual, is like a cell in the body. The cells make up the different parts like hands, and eyes while all are controlled by the brain, the monarch. One of the primary mistakes is that people try to conceive of freedom as something beyond the moral order. What they fail to understand is that freedom is something that can only exist within the moral order. So to be free is to be person and part of the organic whole within the moral order.
Part of what defines you as a person is your membership and position in society. To remove yourself from this position is the opposite of freedom but slavery.
This may not be the best description but this is exactly how society was organized during the middle ages. When our civilization was young and full of life and it is the proper way to organize a society because it does not pit one group against the other. Worker does not fight manager who fights owner who fights government inspector and so on. No each person is part of the organic whole and works for that whole. All of this being centered around something divine and transcendent

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Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country

Dude, the middle ages was a piece of shit.

American Krogan just blew him out on the JQ today

youtube.com/watch?v=FSgeg3z0ewI

and how exactly did you come to that conclusion? Was it perhaps the propaganda produced by the bankers and capitalist. The ones who wanted to destroy the guild system and every other remnant of that time period so they could grow their wealth without having any responsibility toward those they harmed?
>Yes I always believe the propaganda of an "elite" that is spiritually Jewish.
that is how stupid you sound. The Gothic was the birth of our civilization and the time when it has the most vitality. They were superior to us in every way but technologically.

No, it's from my family's chronicles actually. The Gothic wasn't the birth of our civilization, Rome was the birth of our civilization, because everything you're talking about spread from there. Rome was a degenerate cesspool of filth by then, so that's what we got up here too. The miscegenated hooknosed Aristocracy that crept up from Rome with their ill-gotten spoils from it's fall to wage war and intermarry into our societies turned them from masculine and spiritual tribes into materialist multicultural city peasants, prostitutes and thieves. Where did you get your history from, Prince Valiant comics?

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>youtube.com/watch?v=Qnq5XPqBPuw&t=16

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>Where did you get your history from, Prince Valiant comics?
More like Oswald Spengler and Francis Parker Yockey. Are you not aware that Spengler considered the greco-roman civilization to be a wholly different civilization from the Faustian civilization, the one in which we both live.
If you are actually interested in these things the following article found on Arktos is an excellent start.
arktos.com/2018/10/03/the-left-the-right-and-social-revolt-part-1/
arktos.com/2018/10/04/the-left-the-right-and-social-revolt-part-2/
But generally yes I feel that to get past modernity the right needs to look to forms like the organic state which existed in Europe before this train became a runaway.

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Wow, not an argument.. so typical of anti-JP fags.

No. I do not believe individualism and collectivism are mutually exclusive. You should focus on improving yourself and striving to be the best you can believe so that you can better serve the collective you have chosen to be a part of.

I'll concede that our medieval states were vastly superior to today's. I just don't think that's saying much compared to all we've lost. Your conclusion we're in agreement about.

Beginning to think this board is the new alt-reddit.

Civilisation is collective game of make-believe with very real consequences for the players.

Yes faggot

get outta here nigger

Based.

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Imposter. You aren't Canadian.

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He did a lecture on the jews. That their collective will allows fail because god wills it. It was about the tower of babel, and how the jews found salvation in the group, but will eventually always crumble under the weight of group infighting. He revealed a little of his power level there.

E Michael Jones has put out some great books and he is right when he talks about freedom and society. To take it a step further the idea that you can have an atheist state without God and still have moral people is insanity. Atheist state brings about atheist citizens. There is no private life or public life that is separate from God.
One of the big solutions to our current problems is to reunify church and state and finally end this masonic horror experiment.

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damn what planet is this guy from

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jp is a good example of why sometimes you SHOULDN'T "think for yourself," especially if you're as stupid as he is

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Daily reminder that you're not an anarchist.

Except Jones has shat all over white nationalists and ethno nationalism and unironically believes "common language" is the foundation of the nation. Like the typical Christcuck that he is. Into the trash it goes.

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>Should the individual always triumph over the collective?
That's not what he says. Here is a list of typical JBP tropes that represent his viewpoint

>Don't be ungrateful
>Clean up your shit life before calling others shills
>The West is mostly good, and exceptional compared to other places
>Christianity is an important institution and should at least be respected
>Atheists are, and never have been, oppressed, and should shut the fuck up and stop degrading Christianity
>Morals are not included in humanity, we had to create them, and we crystallized them in Christianity
>Read great books
>Government should not compel speech
>Inequality is a law of nature, not a product of anything humans have created
>The Patriarchy is real but it's closer to a symbiotic relationship between men and women than it is a tyrannical oppression matrix
>Women hate being CEOs and they want babies
>The invention of the birth control pill was the real catalyst for women's rights, not women themself

JBP good

kek

>the Jews chosing him as a gatekeeper

lmao dude, his wife and grandmother are jewish

he is a cryptokike

youtube.com/watch?v=WXYuqrO8LLo&t=32s

The only viable non master-slave collective is formed by strong individuals.

Anyone that can't understand that is a retard.

Doesn't contradict each other, nederlander. on the contrary

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His individualism is a bastardization of Gnosticism.

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Well to be honest white nationalism and worship of the race is not enough. If you are able to remove every shit skin in the world and do nothing to address the problems of modernity all those white people are going to end up slaves to some bankers runway AI.
Now don't get me wrong race is important and racially homogeneous societies are the best even if you could have Hitler 2.0 a racially aware modernity is still hell on earth. Modernity must be addressed and part of addressing that is the restoration of more natural groups of people and living together with those who are like one self biologically.

No.

i dislike him for dumbing down my nigga c.g. jung. i also feel triggered by the media portraying him as the right's house psychologist when he's not even right-wing. that being said, the whole infighting nonsense between people on Jow Forums is very cringeworthy. you can all suck my substandard irish pecker.

That's not what Jones stands for though. It's not "Yeah, it's not enough. We need all the rest, too." But "Fuck ethno-nationalism, language bruh." Her let me just open the border to N'kwanda and Tariq. They are based Catholic brothers and speak English so well! Language as the foundation is the most retarded idea ever anyway. By that logic, I would be a burger now.

Attacking Peterstein is the Aryan thing to do, Mick diaspora

>That's not what Jones stands for though
Yeah, I know that. That is what I stand for, as if that is really important. I mean who cares about anons on Jow Forums, amirite. That being said despite his faults Jones is still worth reading. Just don't take everything he says as gospel truth.

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>Atheists are, and never have been, oppressed
try saying your an atheist in the middle east, or tell that to your Mormon family

Salmon swin upstream collectively, but it is their individual choice by their nature. People make the correct choices in sway with the collective when truly free and understanding. Pure collectivism gives you Chink bugmen or African tribal conflict, pure individualism gives you shitty neoliberalism. The fusion of both is the future

Why would I want to read someone for hundreds of hours, if he comes to fundamentally wrong conclusions? The "dude, language bruh" is a big retard filter, too. It's also a fundamental leftist idea.

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you're the dumbest fucking krautposter on Jow Forums currently.

It's a question of truth, and truth is not in Jordan Peterson.

You > your family & close friends > your extended circle > your community > your ethnicity > your town > your country > everything else

Individual is more important than collective
But collective matters, once your needs are met. Individual is free to choose his priorities. There's no contradiction between sanctifying individualism and telling the spics to fuck off.

Not an argument, retard. Drink bleach. You also have to go back.

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life doesn't revolve around your ecelebs

You still have to go back.

Individuals never triumph over the collective

Jordan Peteson is an enemy of western civilisation. He has to be discredited.

Plato liked little boy fucking so should I not read The Republic? Nothing wrong with reading people and separating out the wheat from the chaff.

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I would agree with you if you had actually put something to your wall of text:
He is a typical evolutionary behaviourist - mind has innate knowledge.
He is a futilistic determinist, that life, knowledge is certainly uncertain and chaotic as its stable state.
His worse offenses are his actually published works where he makes fking long ass introductions with shitty childhood stories and longwinded and purposely misleading language.
Proverbs, bible stories aren't fucking evidence.

Then why is he remotely controversial and considered a pariah by the media? You should ask yourself this dumbass.

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Debateable. It was also part of his culture and considered normal during his time. It's a behavioral choice, not one of fundamental morality and life perspective. But yes, you should better read Romans anyway. Try Plutarch.