I have been Catholic my whole life, and I'm mostly convinced that God is not there. If there is a God, and if he is there, then surely he doesn't care. At all.
>Consider the following There are well over 4000 religions all over the world, each claiming it's the one true religion, each claiming it's right while the others are wrong. >Why would a loving caring God leave us to live in a world where there is so much confusion and conflicting information about which one is right Suppose you decide that Islam is the right religion, or that Christianity is the right religion >Well, Christianity has over a thousand, which one is right, why so many en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations >Islam, well there are many under Islam as well, in some cases if you chose the wrong one, you'll be killed because of it
>We should pray but God is in control Well, if God is in control anyway, why pray? Whats the point? >God gave us free will so we could choose to accept him or not Wait, God is in control, right? >But at the same time gave is free will What? How does that work? He is in complete control of all the seas, weather, universe, but we also have free will? So is he in control or not? >Are names have already been written in the book of life I'm getting confused now. We have already been chosen, but we should pray, God is in complete control, but we should pyand we also have free will? >God came to earth to live among us, enduring what we have to No. God has never not been God. And with that comes the greatest flaw >If God is all knowing, all powerful, and omnipotent, knowing past present and future THEN GOD DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO DOUBT, QUESTION, OR WONDER IF THERE IS A GOD LIKE WE DO God has never looked up at the night sky, and wondered which God is real, which religion is right or doubted it entirely, because he has never NOT BEEN all knowing. And lastly, why does he hide? Why not just come out for us to see? Prove me wrong
>If there is a God, and if he is there, then surely he doesn't care. At all. many people look at suffering and say "see, god doesnt exist! if he exists why would he let us suffer?!" first, let me ask. do you have kids? have you ever disciplined your child? because it fucking hurts when you do that. im not saying god feels pain, but us being god's children, his creations. god disciplines us just like how a dad would discipline his children. god created the world and there are rules that comes with that is conducive to a happy life. if we only look at happiness and things that make us feel good as the only thing god can do for us. then we're looking at the world with one eye closed. because god has created the world and he has created all the conditions for us to experience. the things that makes us feel good and the things that make us feel, not so good. it's utterly selfish to believe that the things that makes you feel good is what god shall deliver to you. because then you are assuming that YOU KNOW WHAT'S BETTER FOR YOU THAN GOD. when in reality, god created us, god knows what's best for us, and that's why we follow his words.
Elijah Reyes
God is the manifestation of consciousness. A way of explaining what we do not understand. As real as any other human construct.
If God is there then surely he doesn't care, not because there is a place like hell, and not because he "disciplines" us. He doesn't care because: >We are left in this world where there is no true way to discern between what is the true reyor what is the false religion. >Whatever God exists, well he doesn't exactly guide us or take us by the hand and point us in the right direction For example, if you were unlucky enough to be born in Yemen, then you will be raised muslim. And thats it. If he cared, he would do something to change that. If you were born in India, then Hindu is what you will follow. >It's not like God is going to come down and meet with you and tell you that Hinduism is not right. Nope, you are left with silence and zero guidance, as most of us have always been
Mason Hughes
If God was truly concerned with what people believe in, or what religion they were practicing, then he would jolly well do something about it.
Instead, he just sits idly, from his throne of perfection light and happiness, while we toil, bleed, suffer and hunger down here.
It must be nice to have never experienced any of the hardships you're creation has. I wonder what it's like to never wonder if God is real or if a God even exists >Because you are God
I'm agnostic. But the whole rationale is God didn't want to be alone so he created us with free will, The whole nihilism is satanic subversion
John Howard
the idea of the Christian god never sat right with me. new age shit is rightfully looked down upon here because the vast majority of followers are dipshit hippies but in about the past year or so I've gone from passive nihilism ("the universe is meaningless so I'll decide to find my own meaning and enjoy my time here responsibly") to the new age beliefs I have now ("all religions are mischaracterizing the infinite creator but are still valid spiritually; infinite understandings, infinite possibilities, one progression; we are in this life for our maximum subjective experience") and I feel generally a lot better about things I do.
Colton Rodriguez
>Fedoracucks believe this is a product of random events
Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you. Matthew 7:7
We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him. John 9:31
Austin Young
He is just laughing at us
Christian Walker
>He is in complete control of all the seas, weather, universe, but we also have free will? In the sense that he has the power to do whatever he wants to them. This isn't some kind of europagan religion, we don't believe that He is literally directing the weather.
>No. God has never not been God. You're just going to throw this out there, unsubstantiated, while claiming to have been Catholic your whole life?
Benjamin Hill
God you're dense. Actually read the book you're tipping your fedora at and maybe you'll get responses that aren't ad hominems. Until then these are such awful puddle-depth questions that they're not worth anyone's time further than poking fun at your 60 IQ ass
Landon Torres
When has God NOT been God?
Carter Evans
He is Alpha and Omega beginning and the end
Ayden Carter
Correct, so he has always been God. He has never NOT BEEN GOD.
>Thus he doesn't know what it's like to question and wonder if there is a God
God doesn't know what >Doubt is, what curiosity is, what it's like to question the existence of God like we do
All pajeet and sandnigger religions are bullshit. You want answers, look somewhere else.
Ryder Morgan
we are God, he sends himself into his creation in all of us, kinda like multiplayer vidya when you're all the same player at the same time but don't realise it.
>nothing is happening to them They receive their recompense, just like Romans 1 says.
Tyler Richardson
All of your ancestors lived to reproduce
Isaiah Nguyen
>There are well over 4000 religions all over the world, each claiming it's the one true religion, each claiming it's right while the others are wrong. Only Christianity was prophesied. >Well, Christianity has over a thousand, which one is right, why so many Just follow what the Bible says. It says nothing about choosing the wrong denomination, only that you believe in Jesus and love the Lord with all your heart. >Well, if God is in control anyway, why pray? Whats the point? To improve our relationship with God. Prayer isn’t just for material desires, you know. >Wait, God is in control, right? Yes
God seeks those who humbly seek Him. It’s not a matter of piling up proofs. God doesn’t want to be a scientific fact. That destroys faith and love of God. Read Pascal and see if you’re still an atheist
First off, you think yourself significant. You are nobody. You are nothing more than an NPC that the Lord has created. You mentioned 4k different gods in the OP, aside from the one true Abrahamic God, could you name 100 of them without google?
>It must be nice to have never experienced any of the hardships you're creation has. The Lord has experienced hardships, in fact, he himself experienced death and prosecution from hate. In the past when the generation only knew of agriculture, analogies regarding such were used to help the populace understand. Since you are probably more familiar video games than agricultural, let me use an analogy that fit with the modern times. The Lord himself experienced this world, as who you may know as Jesus. This may not make sense to you at first thought, but if you think of Jesus as his "in-game character name" then it might make some sense to you.
You want to understand the Lord. This simply isn't possible. You can try obviously, but your understanding and perception will only be restricted to what you can fathom. You may see things, but not PERCEIVE, and there is the inherent problem most of you Yoloists (Atheists) have.
To touch on the free concept, the best way to understand it (from my understanding) is to go program your own world. Create a system and polish it. You will find yourself running into many paradoxes even on extremely simple systems. Free will is key, cause if I program an "Angel" (robot) that is perfect, but doesn't have a will of it's own because it's totally obedient, that sense of life isn't there. Create a "human" (a free robot) that makes decisions based off only what it knows and is allowed to make the "wrong" decision, then you will not only come to find that it is "life like" but that it also is free. If you take away it's freedom or prevent it from making the "wrong choices" it quickly becomes a robot (Angel) again and is quite boring.
jesus did not complete any prophecy which is why jews don't recognize him...
Adam Thomas
These are the most basic bitch questions you ask and find answers for in the great debate of religion. This is stuff I'd expect retards who just took their first high school debate class to come up with. This is the same thing as asking if you can have a copy of the affirmative case. What a joke. No "Where is the soul" or "How can a retard (an actual retard not the OP) have a soul without active sentience?" or even "Why is music beautiful?" 2/10
Evan Evans
>there are real life human beans here right now who actually believe in an invisible god-man-thing who communicates UNIVERSAL TRUTH through a compilation of texts written thousands of years ago by literal sand-niggers Y I K E S
Nathan King
God is the author of the most complex book, the programmer of the most action-packed video game, the creator of the best anime of all time, and people complain that everything isn’t a boring utopia. Why do you not complain when your video games and books and shows have conflict and suffering? It’s almost as if you derive enjoyment from them, as they display meaning and purpose and the truths of existence. No, you want the world to be the same forever, with no purpose, just pleasure. You won’t have evil, but you won’t have sacrifice, or compassion, or bravery, or hope, or any understanding of what existence is. Everything is the movement toward Truth, and God’s greatest goal is to understand Himself. Giving humans a Brave New World infinite dopamine pleasures rush fantasyland wouldn’t achieve that goal.
Jordan Mitchell
>Isaiah 53 >psalm 110:1 >riding in on a donkey >born in Bethlehem (house of bread) but a Nazarene etc
Before the rise of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), polytheism was the way of most peoples. The folklore of the many polytheistic religions can generally be thought of as personifications of celestial bodies and the general character archetypes that have diffused into classical literature. The gods had faults. They made mistakes. They were not all powerful. In some religions, they didn’t even create or rule us. They didn’t demand to be followed. They served as examples to follow, so that we could become gods in our own right.
The nomadic (((tribe))) would take bits and pieces from the beliefs of those folks surrounding them and incorporate them into a god of their own, Yahweh.
Many pagans accepted Yahweh as another god alongside their pre-existing pantheon. This is where monotheism got its foot in the door as Yahweh began being held above the other gods as an exclusive deity, the “One True God.” The priest says, “Worship my God and your harvest will be bountiful,” and procures sinners and heretics to take the blame if his predictions don’t come true. Personal responsibility is removed from the priest.
Christianity and Catholicism have brought many good things to western culture, in terms of political and religious unity, the flourishing of arts, music, philosophy, and architecture, but it came with the cost of the folk accepting lies and deferring self-responsibility to a materialistic and dogmatic monoculture instead of seeking truth and self-improvement.
You don’t have to fear Yahweh and put your faith in Him to escape eternal punishment. You don’t have to believe in the gods in a literal, anthropomorphic, sense if that view seems silly. You don’t have to believe in any sky daddies if it’s not the path you find yourself on.
You should seek fidelity in yourself, first and foremost. Spiritual endeavors are best left for a sound mind.
It's especially why video games or stories where the plot armor is too strong, or when everyone is a winner, those games and stories quickly fall to the wayside. Especially when it harms the flow of logic.
I believe that was part of the point of the Garden of Eden. The true test of life, of sentience, was the ability to act freely. They (Adam and Eve) were given a "perfect world", would they ruin it all because of their curiosity? What's interesting if it was only men, or Adam, we may still be living in Eden now. However, because the figurative wrench in the gears known as WOMAN was enough to not only break the rule, but convince man to also use his free will to break the rules with her.
I think maybe if I make a simple video game where you have to play as "God", where the goal is whatever you want, but the game requires you to basically not interfere too much where you are "flooding the world" constantly due to the degeneracy or the cries of the people/NPCs.
Juan Taylor
God is asking the same thing, where is OP why is he in hell, when will he come home.
Wyatt Parker
Your whole post is a bunch of logical fallacies and false conclusions. Explaining why youre wrong is likely pointless if you cant see whats wrong in the first place. But just so you dont complain that Im not making an argument Ill go ahead and say your idea God cant bein contrrol if we have free will is child tier misunderstanding if not outright trolling. There is a very very large number of outcomes the universe can reach before the end God sets, but it is still finite. Each end is a result of the specific combination of choices every human is allowed to make in the world where God is in control.
Also predestination is catholic nonsense and that seems to be the root of most of your confusion.
Brody Moore
>When has God NOT been God? Mainstream Christianity's view is that Jesus was simultaneously God and man at once.
Dominic Sullivan
This is actually really well written, whether you copied it from somewhere or those words are of your own, I saved it for later use.
>To which I now reply with >Faith in which God, which religion or what book
If the traditions and morals of foreign cults, with their sacred prostitutes, orgies, mutilations, and cruel rituals appeal to you as truth and you find their cultural traditions comforting as a so called life long Catholic, then there is nothing anyone can say to you that would save you.
Michael Hernandez
>Also predestination is catholic nonsense and that seems to be the root of most of your confusion. I think you might be confused, here. Calvin was the first to popularize predestination. And don’t knock it so easily. Can you explain Romans 9 or Proverbs 16:4 without predestination? I would love to hear your thoughts, because there are verses that really challenge the idea of free will.
Michael Thompson
>Also predestination is catholic nonsense You want to run that by me again?
Justin James
Thanks, I tend to get in these discussions often, and I’ve used the same arguments many times, so it naturally flows out of me. I can’t write that well for most topics.
Dylan Price
Millions of degenerates around the world have died of AIDs and for every "miracle" drug that has been created to fight it a new form of resistance has evolved.
Eli Stewart
1. buy pic related 2. recite the Jesus Prayer everyday, all day, even while in bed waiting for sleep
If you believe God exists, he does. It's that simple.
Jackson Johnson
This.
Subjectivity is reality
Anthony Carter
To think of God playing with inanimate dolls is as much of a persuasive argument against it as any. It's like watching a parade, you can cheer or jump off the curb and walk with them if you choose, but either way the parade is still happening irrespective of persons. If a major participant decides to flesh out, our sovereign God can choose at His discretion how His plan will unfold. Can He make a vessel unto honor or dishonor? Yes. Do you choose ? Yes. Does watching a DVR recording of last night's football game affect the outcome or the players freewill? No. I know it's impossible to understand from riverside of the Veil, my ways are not His ways, my thoughts are not His thoughts. But most people who uplift predestination are unbelievers, or those who don't want to take on the idea that they are in fact responsible for their sins and will be held accountable.
Julian Bennett
The following is my opinion and I don't seek to make any declarative statements on these questions.
>Why would a loving caring God leave us to live in a world where there is so much confusion and conflicting information about which one is right Different religions are essentially different sets or rules to suit certain contexts. If you see God as a father figure and humanity as his children then the analogy to the family can take place. You will have different rules in place for your 5 year old son to follow than your 16 year old son, different rules for your son than your daughter, different rules for a responsible son than a reckless one. The overriding principle is mutual respect and caring.
>We should pray but God is in control Almost all religions ascribe free will to humans so it is a fallacy to say God is in control. Name a religion that describes God as in control of any humans choices. The rest of your arguments on this point are irrelevant because of this.
>THEN GOD DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO DOUBT, QUESTION, OR WONDER IF THERE IS A GOD LIKE WE DO It's called empathy. I dont need to experience something first hand to understand it so why would God?
Lincoln Williams
I just asked for your thoughts on Romans 9 or Proverbs 16:4. They trouble me, because I would rather not believe in predestination. I can’t say whether I believe in it or free will, but predestination makes sense to me, but I don’t know for sure. So could you explain your interpretation of Romans 9?
Kevin Gutierrez
The current leading scientific theory states that all matter was once compressed into an infinitesimally small singularity which, for whatever reason, after who-knows how long of just existing in a hyper-energized (but stable) state exploded into the universe as we now know it after eons of cooling, mixing, elements being fused into heavier ones etc etc Now, that singularity was not expanding at some point, and then a moment later it was. According to Newton's first law of physics the object at rest should have remained at rest until acted upon. For the object to move there must be mover, so the missing piece is the prime mover of that singularity. Something happened that made it go from not expanding to expanding. For an object at rest to transition into being in motion it must be acted upon and since the entire universe was bundled up in that singularity, something outside of the universe had to act on it. That's God. You can only argue against the prime mover argument by arguing that God should also have had a prime mover. However, the counter argument to that is that god always existed (much as that singularity did - so you can't argue that either) The other point is that since we have already stated that God exists outside the universe, therefore the laws that govern the universe do not apply to god. So, he wouldn't need a prime mover to begin with since Newtonian physics would not apply.
Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
Anthony Gray
Genesis 1:1 >b’reshiyt bara Elohim et hashamayim vet ha’aretz The word “bara” is commonly translated as “created,” when it actually means to fatten. ancient-hebrew.org/m/tlw_creation.html
Ian Murphy
I just gave you a response that included those. This life is filled with choices, your sin will Yes, the parade analogy in my comment.
Tyler Hernandez
GOD is figurative word. GOD is energy, source, awareness, infinity ever expanding into new possibilities. God includes everything so you are also part of it. All the religions are teaching about this truth, hidden within words to those who are ready to see. Are you ready?
There is always desire to be something more within human. Usually it manifest itself through materialistic ways, sexual ways, through drugs or parenthood example. It is endless chasing, rat-race that leads nowhere but keeps you busy through own creation that people calls as life.
We can't remember our time as toddlers because we didn't exist in that time. We had no identity. Only when years has gone while we gathered data from our environment we created identity. When we have our identity, we decide what matters to us. Then we experience impulsive feelings when things didn't go as we wanted.
We are piece of life that creates own image and plays it (Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image). We get so tangled to our own creation that it can kill us and bring us into hell. We think that something or someone causes our misery even when we alone create everything within.
We have all this mysterious desire to do something, be something more. It usually manifest itself through sexual ways, materialistic ways, through parenthood, dating, drugs, games, food, alcohol.. you name it. Through that it leads nowhere, it keeps us happy for a moment and then we need more. So where we are now? We are piece of life that want to experience bigger part of it. Through physical ways it finds not that part and when that need to expand finds no expression we create this pain within. So what to do? This is what meditation is all about. We don't want to identify to our thoughts or to our outward senses. That is just the data we gathered from the physical and created self from it. When we learn to be still, just be as piece of life, something start to happen that seems to expand you into everywhere. It seems to that consciousness, awareness is the basic that exist and everything else is manifest of it.
What (((they))) wan't is to bind us more and more into physical, sins, into that rat-race i wrote about above, so that we wouldn't be liberated.
I don’t think you sufficiently responded to this section. >19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
>22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
Surely you understand how this can be interpreted as supporting predestination. In your opinion, what does this passage mean? Is God preparing our fates, creating us for certain purposes, or what?
Landon Edwards
The World is controlled atleast from the ages of Rome, by the papacy, jesuits, Sabbateans, black nobility, banking families exc.. They are hiding the truth, knowledge of life & science from previous golden ages, that what was preserved also in Land of Khem, Egypt. After Rome, hidden by (((them))). They are the deceivers that veiled humanity into darkness. We are again rising from the ages with awareness. It is time to awake and realize what we really are.
>We are eternal piece of life bound to our bodies >(((they))) keep us in the dark by hiding truth, by this system, by sins, lies and science. >Ancient bloodlines like Aldobrandini,Breakspear ruling vatican & jesuits >they claimed people of the earth to their imaginary kingdom through three trust (three crown); 1455, romanus pontifex, 1481, aeterni regis, 1531, convocation. >Through these three trust, cestui que vie is name of our enslavement. Wich is also 6,6,6 (symbol of material bound) when translated in latin. >Level of awareness in humanity goes trough cycles accoarding our proximity of stars of Sirius. We are approaching and entered into age of aquarious, now slowly realizing more about life and truth even when (((They))) try to suppress it in many ways.
Poor response. I'll try and explain in another way. >Firstly No, kids have not covered these topics in a high school debate class. These are big questions, that I have asked Pastors and Preachers and gotten no answer. It always ends with, Durr, just have faith guy >Second God, has never not been God. Put in another way God has never had to question the existence of God like you or I do. Jesus, even him, when he was here on earth talked as if he knew full well of the fact that there was a heaven and hell, and that he had the power to take his soul up to heaven whenever he wanted, that this power was given from above. >Third Jesus knew what was after this life, and God knows full well whats after this life too, he created all of it right. So Jesus or God dying, is not the same as you or I dying. Imagine dying and not knowing what's after, Jesus didn't have that problem >Fourth Christianity has tons of denominations, which is right, which is wrong? Why does God allow perverse versions of his doctrine? How about Mormons, are they right? How about Jehovahs Witnesses, they right? What about Christ Church of Science, they the right one?
Like I said, if God is in fact real, he doesn't give two shits about whats going on. Never heard him, never seen him, never felt him, never smelled him, NOTHING. I've read the Koran, the Catholic Bible, The akJV Bible, even the Orthodox Bible with Apocrypha ans Septuigent, and I'm convinced that God either doesn't exist or care.
There is no god that actively interacts with earth in any meaningful way, and the god on the bible is most likely false, given the bible contradicts reality in several points. But that don't mean that in all the possible multiverses out there, there aren't a creature that you could describe as a god.
Also you have a biological need for religion, as we evolved to have this need so the smartest guy on the tribe could invent a god or several to guide the population to follow his observations and cure the existential dread that would otherwise remove many lives. And if you don't fulfill this need, someone else will for you, and you will end a marxist douche that buy the newest ithing from apple.
Jeremiah Peterson
>I have been a Catholic my whole life yeah right. What was the most significant thing about your "Catholic Childhood"?
He's ignoring the statements that have already answered him and proved him wrong. He is most likely a descendant of the (((pharisees))). He is just sliding and trolling now. Time to S*** in all fields.
Nah. He just doesn't like YOU. you Jow Forums a-hole.
Samuel Barnes
God is sovereign. Not only that, He is actively involved to work good into the lives of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose. How did God lead Moses to the red sea or Noah to build the ark, or protect any interaction of Christ's or His disciples with pagan authorities or the Pharisee that could have led to a disastrous mass arrest. He can sway any heart or mind to a checkpoint God needs to happen, just like He pushed this pharaoh, or many other figures in the Bible, regardless if their unbelief. That's what sovereign is, His will (the parade) is going to happen however He chooses, but it matters not how or when or with what person, and if a person becomes unavailable by their own choice there are 20 more God could bring into a lead as He chooses by weighing on their heart mind or Spirit, the immaterial the atheist says doesn't exist.
Kevin Robinson
You either accept Jesus Christ as the lord and savior or burn in hell. Not that complicated.
Nicholas Price
No, >you're an idiot.
Cameron Hernandez
>Only one Christianity was prophesied Which? Orthodox, Pentacostal, Catholic, Protastant? Which Modern day Christianity would that be. >To improve the relationship with God Praying is a one way phone call to a phone that is either busy, disconnected, or altogether forgotten about. People can't handle long distance relationships with people they can hear and visit. But we are suppose to have a RELATIONSHIP with someone who; >Never talks with us >Never visits us EVER >Never interacts with us in anyway humanly or even divinely possible Really guy?
I've been told that God answers with a >Yes >No >Later What a convenient set of answers. I could tell my son to pray to my dog, and give him the same set of possible answers, and you know what, my son would get more interaction from our dog than from praying to God. >God seeks those who humbly seek him You mean like getting on your knees and praying and crying? You mean like begging for any kind of communication or interaction at all, you mean like asking for a real relationship with no requests for money, health, or physical things? Yeah, doesn't work. I literally spent years crying to the ceiling. Nothing more.
Also, even the dumbest counselor on eath will tell you that for a relationship to be successful, it takes the communication of both people. How are we supposed to have any kind of relationship whipe at all when all we do is make one way phine calls to a telephone where nobody ever answers?
