You faggot bootlickers keep blaming immigration it's not ITS THE FUCKING GREED OF THE (((TOP 0.1%))) Look at this data from the Atlanta Fed if wages were lowered due to muh immigration these trends make no sense.
For you massochistic wage slaves drooling at the though of your boss crushing your nuts look at the construction industry. Completely overrun by spics and well well well wages aren't depressing in an abnormal fashion. It's almost as if its the fucking kikes back at it agin to destabilize a world power by destroying the middle class
>b-but the illegal's wages aren't included in the data
cry harder faggot it would still depress the reported wages BUT IT DOESN'T BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE ILLEGALS THEY'RE SUCKING ON WELFARE NOT WORKING YOU FUCKING RETARDS
it's just greed and propaganda convincing you lot to defend these traitors
You all know the solution you're just too scared to do anything
LOW WAGES ARE (((THEIR))) FAULT
Really activates my almonds.
Correlate lower scale job income with the passage of immigration reform in the 70s. Boom.
yeah or you could look at the ACTUAL DATA ON WAGES which say that upper and lower paying jobs experience THE SAME rates of growth
I EVEN INCLUDED A BREAKDOWN BY RACE FOR YOU JESUS CHRIST
its not a free market reaction to oversupply its greed
We dont blame Mexicans you fucking retard. We blame the (((1%))). We dont want mexicans here because they smell, don’t assimilate and shit up our neighborhoods with crime and drugs.
It didn't happen in the 70s or the 80s though.
>it's not
It is
>ITS THE FUCKING GREED OF THE (((TOP 0.1%)))
It is this also.
Fuck off we're full.
imagine if every thread on Jow Forums and Jow Forums were full of charts and graphs
>how dare you complain about us importing more labor, clearly you're a bigot
>we don't
you don't but a ton of people on Jow Forums do every time this is brought up morons come out of the bush and start going muh immigration see
you're grasping at a correlation which again IS DISPROVED BY THE DATA ABOVE
I guess you think pic related causes wage stagnation to because muh correlation starting in the 70's it's gotta be true
moron
Just ignore the sprawling urban rot and everything that contributes to it you fucking bigot moron, I have charts approved by economists.
user finally provides a source for his claim
entire board in shock anons flee the thread en mass
It's your fault you didn't work hard, goyim. (tips kippah)
fuck the cities this is about protecting the traditional white families of the middle class in the suburbs and countryside
if you want nogs feminists and queers to have a better living space then fuck you too
white children shouldn't be doomed to a tiny apartment forced to work until the day they die because some filthy (((business owner))) need another golf course in his 3rd mansion's backyard
RAISE. WAGES.
If we deported all of the illegals and forced women to stay home WHERE THEY FUCKING BELONG there would be a shortage of workers and businesses would actually have to compete for talent (higher wages). Stagnant wages are the result of progressive leftist social policies.
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I agree. Curtailing migration, guest worker programs and continuing the tariffs will all help the situation. I regularly vote in favor of legislation that raises wages and supports trade unions. What else do you want user?
>imposes perpetually more and more rules and regulations on business owners
>flood the labor class with unskilled, uneducated labor
>birth rate of new businesses has been dwarfed by the death rate of existing businesses for decades
When will far leftists realize their shitty ideas are precisely what’s concentrating power within a handful of corporations?
How about you take a look at the tech sector and all the pajeets that are lowering wages for US citizens.
Also, having worked in construction for almost 5 years in the past, I can tell you that the reason that wages remain where they are for trades is 1) unions and 2) most people think it's shit-tier work. I know when I was coming up, my elders used to say "get your education, you don't want to be a plumber do you?" Then I found out that plumbing pays really fucking well and you don't have to work with limpwristed, §oy-guzzling faggots.
They used to be. Unfortunately for OP, his graph proves nothing. We all agree that wages are lowered by the 1%, and that immigration is only an additional variable. He only shows the result, not the cause. The real cause is manufacturing going overseas so our overlords can make more monies.
This.
All the jobs trump created went to spics and niggers because (((they))) wanted it and those wages has been stagnant for decades and still are, yet pol defends it.
This is 100 percent correct
not quite but close
big businesses (the ones that employ the most people) don't compete for talent anymore because they don't need to. Women shouldn't work, it destroys society and makes women unhappier according to a few studies, but companies are actively looking for diversity i.e. less talented workers because they've consolidated their power over society to the point they can turn away top talent in favor of marketing. At this point, big business is about maintaining the status quo not competing for market share. If you try to make a startup and steal market share you will be acquired and the status quo maintained. Imagine we did get women out of the workforce. Unless we use force to mandate higher wages, businesses will simply give the cubicle heads a double salary which they'll cream themselves over, but real wealth per family would stay the same as would the status quo of kikes stealing real wealth for themselves.
That's the issue, it's not money but the wealth distribution that's the issue
fiat is worthless anyway
when will morons like yourself realize it's the businesses which control the government who make sure policies are passed that are used to squeeze out competition by small firms through regulation WHEN IT IS IN THEIR ECONOMIC INTEREST TO DO SO
when will morons like yourself realize that AMERICA IS NOT A TRULY CAPITALIST COUNTRY
when will morons like yourself realize that FORCEFUL TAKEOVERS RUIN THE ENTREPRENEURIAL DREAM
also when will morons like yourself realize that people advocating against big business AND government aren't leftists they're POPULISTS
or are you just dying to slurp some more jew cum so you don't have to speak out against the "american values" which are robbing you and your future posterity every. single. day
What if both immigration and low wages are (((their))) fault and compliment each other?
Companies are starting to realize that "get woke, go broke" is actually a thing. Won't be long before companies realize that hiring leftists is a business liability, and can then therefore legally discriminate on the basis that employing said person would have a negative impact on business operations. It's going to be beautiful. If you thought people screaming for gibs was bad now, just fucking wait.
So the solution is simple
Deport all 12 million illegal immigrants.
Deport any non-white and their children who immigrated here since 1980.
Publicly execute the .1%
Let's do it.
based plumber doing it right
but
if your unions were really on your side, and few people were entering your profession, why haven't your wage increases been phenomenal? You've got supply on your side, is the demand for plumbers falling? Maybe your unions are corrupt if they're not actually achieving their stated goals
youre right. japan or italy had close to no migration, yet depressed wage growth.
Jow Forums is too dumb understand anything other than race politics, though.
People are moving out of your liberal utopias into fiscally conservative states every year. Explain that one, jackass. The amount of cognitive dissonance you have for the failures of your own local policies is hilarious.
Your low IQ and your lack of marketable skills are the reason you’re poor.
you fell for the trump meme my friend
actually I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but while the number of jobs have decreased over the years, wages are following the pattern imposed by the system
definitely a compliment but too many think immigration explains it all
checked and god I hope you're right
AI could fuck us up but if that happens its unironically time for a race war
i can get behind this.
No, the demand for new homes has fallen. Service work is not as hard on my body and I can make good money. But the problem is, you can't always fill your day with service calls. So you do service calls and new construction projects.
The unions do fuck us, but they help us also. It's a double-edged sword that, in all honesty, isn't a bad one to fall on, if you understand what I'm saying.
Why can't I blame both tard
The data doesn't account for the potential wages could be if we didnt have Mexicans and Indians do cheep labor. It would force companies to pay more
Funny this asshat can't comprehend a right-wing populist weird maybe if I said white nationalist he would've got it
Your argument is just proof for the trend I've been talking about cost of living in liberal distopias are rising faster than WAGE GROWTH due to taxes for gibs me dat and UNFAIR POLICIES PASSED BY ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES to weed out the small family owned shop
people are moving in search of lower COSTS OF LIVING because they know they can get a similar paying job in a more based state
that's where you're wrong just cutting out colored workers and women won't fix the problem and you can blame both but greed is way more important of an issue to address see you have to realize that people loaded with college debt or mortgages/apartments are desperate for any job so companies will be able to find enough crazed debt-slaves to turn into low wage-slaves
we must legislate higher wages for the middle class
Voters control the politicians, not the other way around.
Detroit didn’t fail because of the businesses. It failed because of the voters.
Americans aren’t fleeing California because of the businesses. They’re doing it because of the voters.
fair enough I'd say that the demand for new homes has fallen due to over appreciation of real-estate and lower wages but I trust you have enough insight being a plumber to know what you're talking about
You can't legislate wages. Wages are dictated by the market, or at least should be.
Problem is, we opened our borders to the jews after the Holocaust. We welcomed them in with open arms, clothed them, fed them, housed them, etc. We put them in positions of power. They then only promoted or hired more Jews. Jews account for over 50% of the 1%.
Depends on what part of the country you're in. I was working in Round Rock, Texas back in 2013 and houses were selling for ~250k-450k. The land was probably worth more than the home.
That said, people were not meant to live on top of eachother like we're seeing now. Rome fell because of overpopulation, decadence, and degeneracy. This is where Western Civilization is headed. History just repeating itself.
Also Jews have the power to print fake money.
Why are suddently leftists and Jews who have zero talent and are completely crazy (due to taking so many drugs) suddenly so rich and able to live in the most expensive places? Hmmmm...
kek I'll be damned it really was immigration after all just not what everyone thinks
wages aren't dictated by the market unfortunately or this issue wouldn't be worldwide
there is no middle class. there are 2 classes. the ones that write the laws. and the ones that don't. we need direct democracy. and need it now. its 2 minutes to midnight. and our masters drive us to the brink. the government is just a happy puppet of the capitalists. content to be second in command. dismantle this system. let us fight for our own lives.
>direct democracy
Fuck. No.
remember that this is not like the information age of old. this is new violence. and on this battlefield at the end, the victors will have direct evidence for each and everyone that is on the losing side will be remembered. not killed. but remembered. there are more of us than them. take back control
amen on the social front texasbro
tell me more about the economy in the lone star state have you had a chance to visit closer to the border?
you think someone else should tell you what to do?
we do not want to be told what to do. not any more.
>EVEN INCLUDED A BREAKDOWN BY RACE FOR YOU JESUS CHRIST
That doesn't disprove that immigration didn't contribute to lower wages you spastic retard.
direct democracy? with our future demographics?
user I...
(((they))) are the reason for importing all the shitskins, neoliberal politics were responsible for crushing unions, rights, regulation in the 70s, There are so many niggers around for businesses to exploit for cheap labor and they threaten any attempt at unionization with firing you. Illegal workers exist because of unregulated campitalism.
in the past, all land was common land. you took what you needed. until someone realized that he could seize the land with violence and force others to work on it. there were many but they did not resist them. and look at what has happened. the climate is on the decline and we are updating our nuclear arms instead of working together on dismantling them.
look here and realize that the economy lags equilibrium or have you never heard of arbitrage opportunities?
>lower labor supply equals better wages
This is about as fucking stupid as leftist dreams of free shit. People who weren't replaced by shitskins enjoy the same products for lower price (or shittier products for a much lower price), their real wages would grow if that was the only thing happening. People who were replaced by shitskins aren't forever bound to their old workplace either. Chances are they have high enough IQ to do jobs with higher value added. There are plenty of reasons to want shitskins out, but wages of white people overall isn't one of them unless you are talking about irredeemable welfare niggers who aren't stealing anyone's job anyway.
The biggest problem is not that businesses don't have to compete for talent. When there is abundance of talent in a country new businesses that try to make money by utilizing that talent appear very quickly. The real problem is they don't have to compete at all in some sectors of the economy due to government interventions and government interventions are driven by corporate lobbying among other things. You have to either end government interventions or demand that they guarantee higher wages. Good luck doing the former though, a lot of boomers would go broke and nobody wants that.
Get lost Bernie bro. Go lick Hilary's boots like your kike master.
>Match me bro!!
Was born and raised in Houston. Went to 60%+ Hispanic public schools. Currently in CO looking to move back to TX in a year and a half once my contract is up; probably back to the Round Rock area.
No state income tax. Texas definitely isn't the state it used to be romanced as, at least not anymore. I know when I was growing up...things were just different. Not nearly as much racial tension or unjustified hatred.
I've been going back and listening to 90s and 00s music. They were priming us to be degenerates. It's not nearly as bad today, but just go listen to any popular music of that era. It's all about living fast, dying young, slaying pussy, partying etc, but it is subtle compared to what we see now.
Sorry for going off thread topic.
The founding fathers went out of their way to ensure we didn’t have that, and I will gladly fight a civil war against people who try to change that.
Something like 67% of eligible voters can’t even name the three branches of government. The value of their vote in the current system is problematic enough as it is.
You're a complete faggot if you think that war for resources is solely a modern day issue.
fancy words you hide behind. fancy concepts are tools for small minds weak wills. some here will listen. some want not to die. some wish to live. they will survive. we will remember those who fought against us. we will not harm any pf you. only show you a new way. but if you fight against us you will lose. and you can not play with us until you behave.
money is made up. one day. a man made it up. it is a tool. it is not real. wake up.
no war for a resource. a war over the distribution of the resource.
the resource was just here when we woke up
it is not as bad as it used to be. but information has been corrupted. minds have been washed. cults are all around. this is not normal.
I'm shocked that there wasn't a massive racial tension if your schools were 60%+ hispanic back in the day
that property tax rate is a killer though I'm glad you all are able to afford those big houses shows the power of low cost of living
apartments are hell
>claim to be a populist
>doesn't criticize mass migration
This is what's known as "controlled opposition".
All you need is a labor shortage to push wages higher, yet isn't it convenient that OP claims this is not the way?
>middle ages
>be serf
>get treated like shit
>paid next to nothing
>half of europe gets wiped out by plague
>demand better work conditions and pay
>life is good
>hundreds of years later
>flood country with low skilled third world trash
>crime goes up
>living standards go down
>wages go down
>cost of living goes up
>demand better pay and work conditions
>be accused of racism
>have to grovel for scraps and be grateful for the privilege
your desires are great but you won't be able to beat a military industrial complex with peace when that same institution controls food and utilities
people can't just start farming either barely any city slickers know how and in a lot of states (((agribusiness))) has made it illegal/impossible due to zoning
hopefully you can see that people need civilization and hate anarchy or you'll just be ridiculed and get frustrated when your ideas never happen
Things were different pre-9/11. That is objectively true.
why are you defending illegals
you mongrel I've advocated for a race war and removing women from the workplace IN THIS THREAD
also look here my logic is based on the theory that a labor shortage would push up wages
YOU FUCKING MORON STOP MAKING Jow Forums AUTISTC
Baseball player just signed a $30 million per year contract for ten years.
Why is there money available to pay an uneducated sack of shit that much money? Especially when his only function is bringing eyes to advertisements.
Why not pay him $30 million total and use the other $270 million to ya know, actually do something that will legit improve the lives of many people?
exactly but this time we can demand the elite stop stealing before being subjected to serfdom
to clarify a business owner taking some profits for himself is good
but
a cabal of business owners taking so much they starve the world of its future is stealing
just for those who don't have the reading comprehension to understand I'm not a leftist
entertainment is put on to distract people from their suffering to keep them enslaved to their corporate masters
pretty valuable job to (((some)))
the massive scam and crash at 2008 shouldve been the biggest wake up
but it wasnt, all these financial con-artists covered their fuckup losses at the expense of common people and gov funds (made up of our taxes)
If low skill immigration expands at a faster rate than low skill positions open why wouldn't this cause wage depression?
>BLAME THE RICH
We do. We also blame the immigrants because they're the direct problem.
You can blame the owner of the dog and the dog for shitting in your yard. Or at least still understand the necessity of removing the dog from your property.
and the taxes of future generations never forget hoe vampiric they've become
watching 2008 unfold was unironically my first redpill have hope many people have woken up
see and no immigration isn't the problem the data clearly shows this trend affects every industry and every race at every education level
if someone had brought up increases in reliance on fiat then we could have had a real discussion but even then fiat benefits big business and the government
The good old issue of being stuck between corporativism and literal commies. I see lots of people debating here which one is "the" reason. Pretty sure it's just tons of little things piling up, some bigger than others but meaningless on their own. Take my case for an instance, Brazil does not suffer from immigratory issues; rather, too much regulation and higher tax rates make us impossible to have any flourishing businesses of any type. I believe Europe and the US could start with immigration ( because whereas it's not the sole reason, it sure has had an impact upon it) but they'd have to move on to other things, such as removing the minimum wage, hiring ACTUAL employees ( not HR people with gender studies degrees) and reducing taxes and the general cost of living ( which generally boils down to housing bubbles, taxes on gas and consumer products etc..). Putting more money in the pocket of its citizens will make sure the smarter ones rise up in the social chastes,moreover , will also solve gorvenment spending and crisis in the public sectors. E.g. the U.K. should just end the NHS. And no ,I don't mean a gradual transition, I mean just cutting it right there and then. Afterwards, end all of the government positions related to it.
ok but still fuck off with immigrants. no immigrants fuck you.
I doubt anyone even remembers mortgage scam or Enron
see I do agree with you though. It's not free market, it's "capitalistm" in the deragatory way Marx used the words. Oligopolies and the governments joining hands to rob common people using monopoly money. I don't think that leftist solutions like regulation of wages or stronger anti-trust laws are going to fix things though. People control their spendings much better than they control their representatives.
I agree with most of this but isn't the increases in cost of living and high taxes on property just a way to hold down the people who could make it on smarts alone? Why are connections or diversity more important than talent even after you move on from entry positions? I think inflated property values and taxes are especially nasty. Sure goy work hard for unfair wages to get a nice house in a safe neighborhood just make sure you pay "rent" to the government and the bank for the next 30 years!
please no if that's true it's all over there's no use in trying to wake them up
I'm holding onto the hope that most people can sense deep down something's wrong with society
>Immigration isn't the problem because all wages are stagnating across the board
I don't understand the point you're making. Why exactly would stagnation not be caused by increased labor availability?
The idea that illegal/unskilled immigrants actually contribute to the depression of wages in the overall labor market in a meaningful way is illogical. They can only get jobs in the lower sectors because of barriers to entry like education, and a ton of them just leech welfare anyway. And even IF the illegals/unskilled immigrants were flooding the lower labor markets, wages in these markets grow at the same rate as those of the upper sectors where they can't get jobs
maybe slavs are smarter then us burgers but at least over here people don't control their spending at all (not really a fair point because most people besides boomers won't have the wages to mathematically be able to retire anyway but still)
What solutions do you like having a better understanding of life under a socialist economy than we do?
I'm sure you've already gone over this at some point, but what about the fact that labor is being flooded at nearly all levels?
>Lower skilled white collar is filled with women. Yes, your HR generalist used to be a man.
>Higher skilled white collar is being flooded with Pajeets and Jackie Chan
Logically though, women wouldn't flood lower income labor jobs because they're undesirable. Where wages would rise Mexicans and other cheap laborers filled the gap.
For higher barriers to entry, they're being flooded with the upper classes of shittier countries to bypass them.
Besides, so what? The rich wouldn't be able to flood our labor markets with cheap imported labor if we didn't allow immigration, and the rich wouldn't be able to flood our middle class with two bread winner households if family values were king.
>family values as king
music to my ears
but you're not thinking about the supposed flooding by women correctly that wave already passed. younger generations of woman are smaller and they STILL drop out early in large part for children (even doctors as unbelievable as it sounds with all that medical school debt)
pajeets and chinks are a serious issue but the idea that they're being utilized in truly high skilled positions isn't quite right. Yes programming is skilled labor but what about outside the tech industry? without the ability to show off how robotic they are, palest and chinks are sent off to the call centers and outsourced manual bookkeeping firms. Admittedly there are a lot of pajeets in engineering and medicine but their participation in thee fields don't take up enough of the labor force to depress wages significantly. When you hear "immigration depresses wages" you think of the largest group of immigrants, spics and this massive bulk outweighs the others and doesn't change the pattern of wages so why should the smaller races be expected to do so?