>Would end 99% of poverty over night >Marriage rates would go up by 15% >White birthrates would go up by 30% >The average IQ would effectively go up by 5 to 13 points >The collective awareness would go up >The average person will work 12 hours less a week while still having more money than they do now >The level of degeneracy would go way down
These are just some of my favorite reasons to support UBI. Besides, you know, getting $1000 a month for the rest of my life to spend on whatever the fuck I want.
>The level of degeneracy would go way down ???????
Robert Sanders
More money means quality of life improves. People are degenerate because they have shitty life.
Literally this.
Aiden Wood
>More money means quality of life improves. People are degenerate because they have shitty life. Hmm no people are degenerates because people have too fucking much. I'd be much more in favor of a job guarantee with all welfare abolished except for subsidies for large (12+) all white families.
Owen Mitchell
It's stupid. You're increasing the money supply to everyone equally, guess what stuff is gonna cost more bc of the greater abundance of wealth amongst everyone.
Parker Taylor
Also UBI would raise the average IQ around 8 points. People with higher IQ's are less degenerate. UBI will save this country.
Sebastian Morales
Why does everyone keep using this same argument over and over. It's like the only argument they have against UBI, and it's not even good.
John Anderson
UBI is a meme that leads to inflation and doesn't solve the systemic problems of Capitalism in the OP. UBI is an expensive band-aid for the well meaning and ignorant at best, or a sacrificial lamb advocated by porky for more ammunition against "socialism" at worse. Nevermind the fact UBI isn't a socialist policy.
this, UBI is is putting a band aid on a gunshot wound, if you really want to solve the problem abolish the Federal Reserve under Article 1 Section 8 Clause 5 of The Constitution now!
"The Congress shall have Power To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;"
People are so stupid they think just printing money is the answer.
Dominic Edwards
I love the Kingfish but the only thing that will prevent communism is distributism
>two shills show up at the same time using the same buzz word
Jose Turner
because it's a valid criticism and you literally cannot refute it >increase minimum wage >jobs that would have existed disappear
>increase income of everyone overnight >price of commodities increase because everyone has more money econ 001
Jonathan Edwards
get a job you fucking insect
Lucas Russell
where does the money comefrom?
Anthony Russell
Nah. Think of when Spain took all that silver and gold from the Aztecs and Incas. They brought it back home and Spain suffered severe inflation and economic woes at that time. You'd think their whole population would live like kings. But no.
Christian Fisher
This is not true for UBI
Alexander Watson
technology
Julian Rogers
candidate yang explained how to pay for it and what are the real costs.
I get that some people can think against it irrationally talking about 'bums' and some other can say its 'unfinanciable' but these are fucking ignorants and also its better to give 100 dollars to everyone that 0
Chase Adams
>everyone gets paid 1000 bucks for nothing >people dont care enough to be janitors and other low paid jobs anymore because they can just fuck off and still get paid >low skill employment reaches an all time low >society collapses
UBI is retarded
Elijah Smith
Not this shit bait again, fucking jannies are worthless
Thomas Russell
Dude, it's just common sense. If you had more money and so did everyone else, why would you work? Pay someone else to do it. But guess what others have more money as well and demand to be paid more cuz now money is worth less cuz ppl have more of it.
Jayden Torres
trips of truth money comes from us wageslaving 12 hours a day 7 days a week for the next 70 years
Luis Gray
>two different people know that basics of economics and can tell UBI is a meme
Nah that can't be must be shills in ca-hoots. That's the only way someone could disagree with your megamind views.
> keep scaling up until nobody can be bothered working
> force people to work or fight wars for continual payment
> people do what they are told for money
Jackson Jenkins
welfare social security unemployment
Eli Taylor
(((They))) want full control over the goyim and infinite niggers.
Ryder Cooper
Learn what inflation is commie scum
Jaxon Cruz
ok, would you work at all?
Would you try to earn more money any other way?
maybe you will need more than a thousand bucks? and maybe you are willing to do something?
Aiden Wright
You have autism.
Carter Collins
Not a huge fan of the idea, but this is one of its strengths: eviscerating the bloated federal bureaucracy supporting the entire system of gibs.
Mason Young
I think it would more like fling the door open to communism, because post-UBI people will realize we still aren't equal, and that the universal income needs to be adjusted based on "need," and that property needs to be confiscated to support it, and then there you are, communism
Benjamin Rivera
UBI would actually increases low level jobs and all other jobs. You can't live on $1,000. Some "could" but most want better. Everyone will still work. But they will work less, meaning more part time jobs overall. Thats great. People will have more time in their lives living and not working, but still have the same amount of money.
Why you both call UBI a band-aid at the same time? Never even heard that before you two faggots.
Christian Turner
This diagram sucks, you have placed the legend where it is useless. Which side is temperance and which is greed? Also the data within is complete retarded. Your diagram is bad and you should feel bad. Ass.
Isaiah Hill
>People will have more time in their lives living and not working, but still have the same amount of money. spot the contradiction, Jow Forums
Cameron Bennett
> white birthrates go up Lol, suuuure
Jason Johnson
There is none.
Hello, Rabbi.
Damn bro its just a picture, shit. Lets talk about the green text instead.
Samuel Gomez
Maybe the main point that convinced me. It would kill the waste of money on bureaucracy and people would have no more excuses like "welfare money is not enough". You'd notice even more people's poor choice with money because UBI is everything they'll ever get. No more welfare. UBI is not an equalizer. It's just a form of welfare abolition and a more efficient way to fight poverty. If you still don't have enough money with UBI to survive then only you can be blamed, especially if you chose to stay at home and not find a job. UBI is not an excuse to not work and try to have more than just living in a shitty apartment with just enough money to go by. It's proven that since whites are more careful at planning, they tend to not take shitty decisions like making a family before being in a financially stable situation. You give enough money with UBI to survive and have kids and then you'll have white people going back to not having a sub replacement fertility.
Jaxon Nguyen
please implement UBI, it'll be the perfect excuse to start openly killing commies in the street
Evan Ward
>everyone creates less value but has the same amount of money guess what retard you just devalued all money just as surely as printing it
Noah Murphy
>If you still don't have enough money with UBI to survive then only you can be blamed that is NOT the conclusion that leftists and gibsmedats will reach, how naive can you be.
Parker Carter
How bout we just fuck those things right off and get rid of income tax at the same time?
James Bennett
you forgot about automation, the point of the UBI in the first place retard
Nolan Gray
Literally all of this. We'll fucking said user. Also checked
UBI is an interesting concept, and one aspect that is rarely touched on or opined about is the removal of sub-par labor from the labor pool.
Consider shit workers who "hate they jobs" anyway don't get hired, won't waste training time, occupy HR, or perform their jobs poorly for the time they're employed.
What is the equilibrium price for just paying them to stay home and lean on shit instead?
>1k less. If they subsidized a few key things that ever one uses then that would be 1k. For instance they could make school costs, mortgages, healthcare, gambling winnings, and donations tax deductible. Hell they could give tax breaks for each kid as well.
Brody Cooper
They should just pay us more instead of this bullshit. I don't mind working, just the cost of living vs what jobs pay these days is fucked.
Aiden Jackson
>The average IQ would effectively go up by 5 to 13 points That just shows that you have no idea what IQ is supposed to represent.
Owen Hall
Yeah, but so would every other UBI receiver, ie everyone else. So what is money worth? Money is supposed to be the oil lubricating the exchange of goods n services. Increasing this lubricant to everyone achieves nothing ie think hyperinflation.
Jackson King
Well then lets give everyone 100,000K per month. Then everyone will be married, white will be a 99.999 majority in one month, IQ will be 190 for everyone, we would work zero hour per week, and wipe out degeneracy.
Go sell faggot juice somewhere else.
Hunter Miller
Why the fuck should we pay them to do anything at all if they're useless?
There was a man with a plan once, and his plan included the complete disposal of such invalids.
The funny thing is either UBI or full blown socialism is coming whether you like it or not.
Dylan Jenkins
It's not about being naive. If other forms of welfare don't exist anymore and the government researched and concluded that absolutely anyone can live fine with X amount of money, and then you can't get by the month with that amount, you have absolutely no excuses. Also this. Another reason for UBI is to prevent chaos before automation starts becoming massive in many fields. It's going to happen, and when it does begin, it's going to spread incredibly fast.
Hunter Bailey
>retards like this will always prevent me from getting my free 1k of chicken tendies for life YOU ARE THE REASON WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS I FUCKING HATE YOU
Christopher Nguyen
Per examples in other countries, none of this is true. Get a fucking job you lazy asshole.
Replacing most welfare systems with UBI would legit be the best thing that could happen for anyone honest. Current systems essentially punish people not trying to abuse the system while rewarding people who do.
UBI is a new Jew commie scheme to increase inflation whilst their wealth increases above the inflation factor given involvement/ownership of inflation proof assets, think land buildings, commodities. Don't matter how much money people have, but the value of what that money can purchase.
John Brown
12k a year wouldn't prevent poverty.
Andrew Gray
Please watch this. It's short, sweet, informative, and addresses a lot of the more important points.
Alexander Sanders
Wages stopped rising with average cost of goods in the 70's bro, that is never getting fixed.
Alexander Williams
this leaf is right, and They are pushing it based on irrational animal fears of automation (reminder that 90% of people worked on farms like 200 years ago) and false promises of also repealing welfare (this will be the most destructive form of welfare ever)
Alexander Rodriguez
JUST GIVE ME MY GOD DAMN TENDIES AND STOP DICKING ME AROUND
Charles Green
it would make everyone equally poor and dependent on the state
which is the end game here
it's not 3D chess, or even checkers, or fuckin Yahtzee
it's a retard playing with a ball of spring, this UBI scheme is so one-dimensional and shitty it amazes me that anyone even entertains it as a valid concept
they should bring back anti-commie laws and anyone who even suggests stuff like UBI should be shot in the street and hung from a lamp post
Not actual IQ. If people are working less and not stressing about money anymore it frees up so much mental space its basically like giving them 10 IQ points back.
UBI will help white people the most. You are already paying shit skins welfare. UBI is for everyone and whites will use it best.
Exactly, UBI will happen sooner or later as automation takes over. We want to get an early start. No downside to starting early, but starting late has all the downsides.
I feel your pain bro. They just want to be slaves forever and they want us to be slaves with them.
Joshua Reed
UBI doesn't work. Just saying. The idea is neat, but in practice not possible. Think wage-price spiral
Joseph Bailey
>this will be the most destructive form of welfare ever how??
Logan Morgan
All true, think of how much more cleaned up Jow Forums would be if we enacted those laws.
>UBI will happen sooner or later as automation takes over. automation isnt some event that obliterates the value of your time, resource scarcity is not going anywhere
200 years ago, ~90% of people working on farms. automation killed those jobs. did the people just stop working forever? rhetorical question
Jaxson Baker
Considering some of those people committed suicide, seeing no way forward, yes. Some of them did stop working forever.
Jack Torres
The "based" "Dutch" historian who totally organically crashed Davos and annoyed Tucker Carlson -- also a UBI advocate. If we just tax the billionaires (lol that'll happen) no need to worry about immigration or living in a global communist prison. Trust him, plebs.
Oh and its UBI thread season until they stage some commie cult of personality to run against the current puppet. Get to bed, anons
labor participation in US is the same as in el salvador.
tell me which sector will absorb truckers, retail ..
Aaron Bell
I too hate working and want to live in my parents basement eating cheetos and masturbating until i die from obesity
Caleb Perry
Eat a dick you honeypot glownigger faggot.
Luke King
ITS HAPPENING WERE FINALLY FREE OF THIS SHIT TIER BOARD
Kayden Thompson
>200 ago was 200 ago we live in today. profound, faggot
Jordan Peterson
You're comparing the industrial revolution with something completely different. This time it's not machines doing the job of thousands of people. This time almost no new jobs will come out because of machine learning and deep learning. Everything will be automatic and almost everything automated. Even maintenance/repairs will not be done by humans because at that level it's going to be just a simple task even for a narrow AI. No programmer needed, no technician needed.
Gavin Price
>consumes only cheetos and kleenex >dies quickly How is this bad for society? Why is this not a viable option? Sadistic fucks just want to torture neets. GIVE ME MY GOD DAMN TENDIES
Adrian Butler
the main argument against UBI is sustainability. I havent seen a single 20 year sustainability study from anyone, ever, on UBI. No one is going to work after it is initialized. the people that do work will work for themselves, their life will become artistic expression. you cannot claim this wong happen while simultaneously claiming that it will happen and is s good thing, youd contradict your own position. further,
millionaires and noteworthy taxpayers will not redesign their entire business to accommodate the low labor supply. what low labor supply? people will instantly expect to earn another $1000 per month, simply because that's the cost incentive to UBI. example: why get burnt at mcdonalds when UBI exists? unless they pay another $1k per month no one will stoop that low. theyd need to pay more, they need the labor. many institutions will just move somewhere else, and i have ground to make this claim because that's whats already happening and we dont have UBI. when operation cost is too high businesses just leave. this is already how things work, this is an observation not a claim.
where does the money come from after these phenomena pan out in the labor market? im not even asking yoh to predict what will hapoen, just merely where the funding will come from. what's the post-transition source and where is your operation narrative for these processes? notice i didnt sage, please lets talk.
Just. Give. Me. My. Tendies. Nigger. WHY IS THIS HARD?
Jaxon Torres
>the main argument against UBI is sustainability. I havent seen a single 20 year sustainability study from anyone, ever, on UBI here's some fun napkin math
DING DING DING UBI is a pointed rejection of the Marxist Creed.
UBI is commensurate with distributism. It is a huge step in the right direction, fundamental to enabling distributist trends taking hold in the free market. The wage slaves have to be freed to become actual consumers. Honestly implemented it will be as revolutionary for distributism as Fords implementation of his systems to turn the workers into consumers.
Only if we're pathetic enough to let it happen. There will be a great risk in the beginning but if it can be held up just a few years I think it will start smashing marxist bullshit. the truly fucked up exploitative welfare queens will be totally exposed.
>job guarantee nigger what jobs? you're talking about creating an infrastructure to enforce toil for senseless moral/'spiritual' (proto-psychological) reasons. stop idolizing labor.
Alexander Davis
lmao UBI has nothing to do with distributism you cuck go read Belloc
Austin Moore
>Only if we're pathetic enough to let it happen. We havent shown ourselves to be capable of containing, let alone rolling back, welfare spending. It only ever grows. In a representative democracy people will vote for gibs, not for austerity. Democracy has doomed us
Xavier Cruz
NEETS RISE UP
Caleb Rogers
CHIKEN TENDIES WEN????
Leo Fisher
It's time for the Abundance Mindset. Humanity First.
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