it doesn't matter what you spend your money on if your income is already low. You can't "be rich" while making less than 100k a year. The rich invest their money properly. Rich people "make money from their money". They set up living trusts, invest and live off the residuals. For example, let's say you have $10,000,000. A properly invested and maintained trust of that amount should and could make a minimum of 5% profits from investments a year: that's $500,000 a year minimum or $41,700 a month for sitting around and doing NOTHING but being lucky the sperm all day. And that 5% return should be a MINIMUM- it could be higher 7%, 11%, etc. otherwise fire your trustee.
So you, "Joe Shmuck" has a job for $41,700 a year, get gutted in taxes and living expenses it doesn't matter if you are spending $10 a week on avocado toast. You never had the income or investment capital to compete in the first place. If your income is low and flat you will never turn that into "wealth".
Americans are largely financially illiterate and that is on purpose because if they average person knew how the rich "make money" you'd all riot. Also, the rich propagandize, that "money doesn't make people happy" and "money doesn't make life easier". That's a lie, of course it does.
Skip the avocado toast all you want. You never had a dog in the race.
Based and also pretty nice to read something that's not about skin tones or niggers. Thanks.
Gavin Diaz
INB4 jew shills saying "lol just save and work more goy"
Gavin Jenkins
Thanks. Income and assets are in everything. There are fags on this board that honestly think you can be rich on a $45k income. They are going to eat rice and beans and be rich someday, lol.
I just want to play the rich people game. Most will lose, but even playing the game helps.
Leo Rogers
Based Walmart poster
Parker Wilson
I make 36,000 a year. The only thing I would change about my lifestyle if I made 100k a year is I probably would drive a newer car and I would have health insurance. That means I would have at least half my income every month to go toward investments. Right now it’s not possible. I live on 600 a month after bills.
John Ward
this is a great post, although >Also, the rich propagandize, that "money doesn't make people happy" and "money doesn't make life easier". That's a lie, of course it does. is only partially true, in the sense that yes it is propagandized that way to cause people to miscalculate their plays IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM, but the redpill is still that you can be poor and happy - that just requires living in a traditionalist community, which those very same elite have ALSO denied you for the sake of profit
Jason Turner
why not though? You're all pedos anyway.
Mason Cooper
Here's a real clue to save to also "fill the gap". The "avocado toast" or "$5 latte" argument is shit. You won't make a difference by saving ~$1500 a year. You need to make bigger changes. Buy a cheap used car, move to a smaller- cheaper apartment if you aren't already owning a home. If you have to cut, cut large budget items. But that says nothing about the benefit of a larger income.
Luis Russell
I think about this all day long.
I want nothing more than to join the leisure class.
Let's say I have between $10k and $30k cash. Is there anything I can do to become leisure class? I don't care how likely I am to fail. I'd rather die than continue working for peanuts.
Ryder Barnes
based
Liam King
$100k+ is the magic number. You can START getting shot done after that amount.
Levi Turner
not everyone can be rich. deal with it loser
Aaron Barnes
>Is there anything I can do to become leisure class? Invest in a business or go to college and earn a degree that earns you $250k.
Running your own business is a huge risk, but the difference is you earn what you make rather than what some chump gets in a fixed salary. You take home your profit.
Elijah Diaz
yeah, acquire another $980k
Elijah Clark
>You can't "be rich" while making less than 100k a year. So you're saying a NYC public school teacher can be rich? Doesn't exactly seem like an unattainable goal...
Carter Roberts
>not everyone can be rich. deal with it loser That's my point.
Tyler Hernandez
So study something computer related and make more than 45k. I was pretty much broke 6 years ago, now I'm almost a millionaire by getting an 80k job (which I now make 150k at after working my ass off and getting 3 promotions), and living cheap, throwing everything I had in the stock market, now I'm almost a millionaire and trying to decide which Eastern European nation to retire to and chillax.
Charles Williams
>They set up living trusts, invest and live off the residuals Sounds like a Jewish scheme
Nolan Rivera
You can be prudent and build generational wealth but I think your point stands.
Matthew Moore
So why are you trying to rile every body up then?
Brandon Mitchell
>So you're saying a NYC public school teacher can be rich? no. I'm saying you need to start making $250k+ for the "chance of being rich", maybe.
If you make less than $100k, you will not be rich, ever.
Colton Price
lmfao sitting at the break room alone at walmart posting on Jow Forums
big oof.....
Lincoln Walker
A 4yr degree tends to cost ~$100k in the US. Besides, I'm not high-IQ enough to get a valuable (maths-based) degree.
Nolan Hernandez
Just be careful. You need to invest the money into a trust. Never put more than 20% into any one investment either.
Evan Young
money lets you convert what is inside you to what is outside of you so when you die and you need that energy you converted to be outside of you, it won't be there, you'll be stuck and fucked.
Adrian Harris
>I'm saying you need to start making $250k+ for the "chance of being rich", maybe. >If you make less than $100k, you will not be rich, ever. ?
Hudson Rivera
daddy's degrees are free sweety
Christian Morales
>You need to invest the money into a trust. Why is that
David Cox
I'm extremely diversified, the only thing that would ruin me financially is a nuclear holocaust.
Aiden Cox
I'm trying to see if the average Jow Forumstard, which is a typical slice of America at this point, can see past the veil of illusion that rich people create.
Most poor fags think they are rich or believe they will be rich because of their personalities. I want to explain how rich people are rich and see if they get it or if they will stay in the cave, earning their laurels.
Nathan Lewis
Yes a degree is expensive, but if you earn $100k-$200k a year you can afford it and you're ahead of the game rather than debt free and earning $40k.
It's a risk like anything.
Adam Harris
I want to seed and feed the girl on the left. Also, why are you always sitting alone?
Aaron Bennett
>let's say you have $10,000,000. nice financial advice for those who have 10 mil already. I'm sure they needed it.
Logan Thomas
You say that but you will compensate for the amount of shit you put yourself thru to make the 100k. Also usually means living closer to cities unless you want to double commute. I'd argue six figure city life is it's own trap that isn't much better.
Benjamin Nelson
It's hard to explain but read the Op again. You also need a trustworthy Trustee with a good ROI. Rich people use living trusts to maintain and protect their wealth and lifestyle. Poor fags have 401ks, and rich people would never waste their money on them, in fact they use 401ks to make money for themselves.
Benjamin Allen
Cant get attached to people. High turnover and people die sometimes (theres been about 10 in the 15 years I've worked here). I'm never good at goodbyes, but I will write a tearful eulogy for the fallen if they've inspired me in some form or they have no family.
>can see past the veil of illusion that rich people create. What illusion is that exactly?
Jayden Johnson
The fuck is avocado toast and why is it used as an insult.
Daniel Allen
>nice financial advice for those who have 10 mil already. I'm sure they needed it. I'm not giving "financial advice" I'm explaining how it works.
Rich people don't just whittle their wealth away. They make their money make money like sex-crazed money bunnies.
Isaiah Rivera
Its called financial independence. Most people wont get there. The closest many will come is living on social security.
Elijah Morris
If it was only about starting capital, how come there arent any success stories starting with someone winning the lottery and then properly investing that money?
how come rap niggers end up dying to drugs? Why dont they use the money to set up living trusts, instead of buying heroin with it?
Lincoln Myers
>15 years I've worked here Jesus
Mason Thomas
Capital gains are taxed.
Jason Barnes
Asian guy is eyeballing that table of Asian girls pretty hard. Or he just wants some fritos, can't exactly tell.
Brody Morales
Save, work more & don't live in a outrageously expensive liberal city, goy.
Adam Roberts
>Invest in a business or go to college and earn a degree that earns you $250k no such thing. the most in demand degrees in STEM start at 60k and from there on it's a toss up of how your career goes.
Evan Miller
Because they’re niggers and can’t play the long game, only cater to immediate pleasure (most people desu)
Julian Phillips
shut up you cant be rich normie
Juan Perez
>Also, the rich propagandize, that "money doesn't make people happy" and "money doesn't make life easier". That's a lie, of course it does.
Prove this otherwise everything you just said is a crock of shit.
Ian Davis
I've never made more than $55k in a single year at any job but I already make over $900/mo in dividends from about 6 years worth of saving and investing. You just need to save every penny and be ruthlessly cheap about everything.
Xavier Rivera
Thant your average income can ever hope to create actual wealth and how rich people maintain their wealth and make income different than poorfags. The avocado toast meme used as an insult by disingenuous financial """advisors""" and Ayn Rand reading Jow Forumstards that genuinely think that eating rice and beans grows wealth.
Avocado toast is delicious if done correctly. It's white people brunch food. If they bring it out with no poached eggs, throw at it their face and scream like Joan Crawford.
>put yourself in thousands of debt then just manifest a job that pays $250k out of thin air
I'm convinced that there's shills pushing a rich vs poor agenda today.
Evan Perez
We can’t all live on the beach. Life isn’t fair and its never going to be. The only way you get equality of outcomes is when everyone is equally dead. Get over it and play the hand you were dealt.
Landon Foster
I wasn't implying STEM. Maybe medicine, but yeah, it's a risk but you'll live better than most and definitely better than those without a degree.
Andrew Myers
yeah only a shill would be interested in a rich vs poor dichotomy. kys kike
Nolan Morris
OP You're a dumb fuck, investing carries risk -- always. "Properly invested" means if you're investing your entire nestegg -- you have a real possibility of losing 100% of your nest egg if your investments go south.
Stock trading, options trading -- is the quickest way to establish wealth.
The only hurdles you have to get over are the minimum investment requirements. But you can thank Congress for that because they think you're too stupid to invest in risky things. But, OP I gotta say, with the display of intelligence you've given off so far -- they may be right.
Andrew Ortiz
>This is the worst advice I've ever seen. No it's mediocre advice because that's the best most people can do. I'm not telling people to get a degree in Lesbian Studies or Chiropractic Medicine. A good, useful degree will help.
Benjamin Phillips
less than a third of pre-med graduates will find med school placements
Adam Lewis
he's doing his best not to look at the two roasties he made the mistake of sitting down with.
Evan Miller
you're retarded and don't even understand what a trust is. your opinions on 401ks are equally worthless.
Jackson Powell
>We can’t all live on the beach. Life isn’t fair and its never going to be. The only way you get equality of outcomes is when everyone is equally dead. Get over it and play the hand you were dealt. That's generally my point but people still need more "financial literacy". The average person, even with a comfortable amount of money, knows NOTHING about maintaining money or wealth. It's fucked.
Tyler Ramirez
If you guys want a chance to not be beholden to income minimums check out RobinHood app.. It's not without it's problems, but, you don't have to have 10K before you can sell a stock the same day you acquire a stock, and perform option trades.
Nathaniel Russell
This is correct.
Logan Price
>you have a real possibility of losing 100% of your nest egg if your investments go south. You never invest more than 20% in any one thing. That includes stocks.
Asher Martin
What else am I supposed to do supposed to do with my lack of qualifications while my bills are due on the 1st? This is, unfortunately, the best paying job I will ever have. I'm too old to start anything from the absolute bottom.
>Stock trading, options trading -- is the quickest way to establish wealth. says the guy with no wealth. interesting
Jacob Morgan
I have like 10 avocado trees
Jacob Watson
Yep.
Liam Butler
The rich/poor is a paradigm conjugate, only in modern days it's now "rich and poor in wealth" rather than in intelligence. Basically a disposition over who the best beancounters in the psychosis are. The more material you mover the "richer" you are. That doesn't imply "rich in self-sufficiency" though.
Luke White
This isn't a refutation of the OP's point.
Josiah Mitchell
Just going by what OP wrote, according to OP the uber wealthy invest 100% of their savings in trust, or some bullshit.. OP doesn't know what he's talking about.
Alexander Robinson
I know what a trust is and yes, you need lots of money (millions) to make them worth a damn. It's not something a poorfag can just start.
Rich people don't have 401ks. They probably even invest against them, lol.
Jack Young
>a job for $41,700 a year >you will never turn that into "wealth".
Yes you can. If you save $450 a month, which is entirely reasonable if you make $3,475 a month, you can put $5,500 into an IRA account every year. You will become a millionaire by the time you retire as long as the USA government doesn't collapse.
Josiah Hall
capital gain taxes are dick. that's the big not-so secret.
Jeremiah Gutierrez
Tell me how
Julian Clark
trusts and 401ks invest in the same sorts of assets. if you're going to pretend to understand how people manage their money, try to get the terminology right first.
Cameron James
I bring home right at 60 to 65 grand a year and I live in Kentucky and thanks to low taxes I've managed to live a VERY comfortable life. I've raised 2 kids on what I make. And yes indeedy they have both turned out just fine.
You don't need to make a million to create a happy fulfilling life. You just need to be grateful for what you have and not take it for granted.
David Carter
>it doesn't matter what you spend your money on if your income is already low. You can't "be rich" while making less than 100k a year.
Agree totally. As a former wage cuck and now business owner... wage cucks always look at decreasing expenses (like I used to) and entrepreneurs look at increasing income. The truly wealthy look more at asset inflation and capital gains but I'm not in that bracket yet.
Zachary Long
cool, more toast. user, I. . . >You just need to save every penny and be ruthlessly cheap about everything. Saving and being cheap is nothing compared to making more money and having money in the first place.
Zachary Nelson
You're wrong. No one skirts SEC regulations.
Jason Evans
money allows you absolute self-sufficience. you can live wherever you want, say whatever you want and spend all your time however you want.
Cooper Sullivan
God bless you breakroom user I hope you win the lotto one day.
Gabriel Howard
>trusts and 401ks invest in the same sorts of assets. kinda. It's kind of like "Imported Italian Olive Oil". Go you really think those wops will export their best oilve oil? No they save it for themselves.
The investment teams who work for 401ks are shit tier. Bottom feeders. They probably preform worse than S&P.
Wyatt Sanchez
Wrong. If you stop eating avocado toast for a million meals you could afford a house.
Stop being a lazy millennial.
Jeremiah Nguyen
avocadoes taste like shit and fucking grow everywhere. who the fuck spends money on this crap?
Camden Roberts
He who wants little and contents himself with what he has is the wealthiest of all.
I would hate to become a millionaire, it'd ruin my tranquility with desire for all sorts of new things. I'd stop liking what I have.
100% incorrect. private investment institutions often underperform the s&p500 because they often have the dual mandate of protecting wealth instead of just growing it. hedging positions cost money and take away from returns. a pleb with their 401k only invested in index funds do just fine over time.
I agree. This idea that that generation has of I want it all and want it now is not a bad idea to have. You know fuck we all wish we could have that life. But sadly that's not how reality works. It takes hard work if you ever wanna have anything. Nobody is obligated to hand you every god damn thing in life.
Jace Walker
>I would hate to become a millionaire
Stop lying to yourself. It's nice to have nice things. Plus try getting a good woman to marry and have kids with you with that mentality.