Explain your problem with civic nationalism?

We get called "cucks" and the usual shit on here just because we accept anyone into our movement and understand that we can't MAGA if it's just white men and don't allow our movement to grow, but think about it.

Who would you rather have on our side: A black or Mexican or Asian or Jewish person who loves America and sees the good that Trump is doing without listening to the mainstream media, or a straight white self loathing soiboi who wants to destroy this country?

I identify as an American first and foremost, and want to make this country great again. And if there's a black lesbian who feels the same, good for her. Rather her than a white HuffPo reading cuckold.

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What a filthy seanigger, never post that mutant here again

It's not possible and never has been in all of human history. Ethnic groups end up self-segregating eventually

All nationalist movements started out as civic nationalism. However, in the face of mass migration, you have to change the concept. You can't just welcome millions of people in your country, give them a passport and then hope they're going to become good patriots of their new host country.

Also, despite the fact we take in more immigrants each year and yet we do nothing to expand our territory to accommodate a growing population is just nothing but a disaster in the making

Feel free to import all the shitskins you wish, but stop lobbying for more shitskins in Europe.

jesus what a meme goblina

Demographics are destiny. You are advocating for the death of your people through demographic suicide. Libertarian ideas don't work without a lot of well mannered whites.

"....But some are good people."
I want to hire legal US citizens but none exist in LA. I have to hire illegals. I am red pilling my workers they need to secure their jobs and fight against new immigrants from the south. They all AGREE ! and all will illegally vote for Donald Trump next election.

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America is a corporation, nationalism is a meaningless concept and just a tool to emotionally manipulate the dregs of society

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Amerimutt
I bet you are nonwhite too

Civic nationalists will likely never support limiting non European immigration so it’s pointless. If they did support that I for one would support them

I would agree with you, but since you like Dragonball. Perhaps the shittest manga/anime in history, I’m ignoring your argument.

Implying you wouldn't do the throat fucky

PEOPLE ARE TRIBAL AND TERRITORIAL BY NATURE, UNLESS YOUR NOT AT ONE WITH YOUR NATURAL INSTINCTS.

HAVE TO CONSTANTLY REMEMBER RELIGION 1ST.

YOU
YOU
YOU

If it’s not Japanese or a Nork. It’s not worth my time

yes you totally ignored it by responding to it

Peoples problem with it is semantic, disagreeing over just what those words mean, and so disagreeing over what they think the one who says it is saying.

If you take the US for example, stalin would say they (and russia) are not nations, but have national characteristic, because they lack all the things that need to be present to make a legitimate nation. These are.

1. Shared geographic position
2. Shared language
3. Shared cultural values
4. Shared history

Note he does not say ethnicity, for many nations are multi-ethnic (such as japan), and ethnicity comes and goes and evolves over time.

The issue with civic nationalism then is that it tends to be much more open to joining and requires only a shared political/societal code. A strong belief in this, such as say a theoretical american mystical/religions constitutionalism binding everyone, would still not be a nation, but a kind of national characteristic.

Of course all great empires have not been national due to their diverse members, there is nothing wrong with not being national, but the correct term would be something like patriotism.

>Who would you rather have on our side: A black or Mexican or Asian or Jewish person who loves America

This doesn't exist

Niggers

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Civic nationalism ignores intrinsic racial differences

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>Japanese
You sicken me.

Congratulations, OP, you discovered Jews. Just ignore them.

Who's the beaner in the picture?

you get called cucks by shills who want to push some obscure nazi cult type shit instead. because civic nationalism has the optics to win over the people and that scares the shills. they would rather you be something like a nazi, doomed to forever irrelevance and never going mainstream. nazism is safe, civic nationalism however is dangerous to the elite.

>First cop is magdumping and hitting nothing
>Second one pops off one shot for a perfect CNS kill.

hey thats in my city too shit. chicago pd put him down though but that nigga was fucking stupid

Australopithecus want... Jordans!

I'd be ok with civic nationalism if you weren't hypocrites that treat non-whites as literal supeior gods instead of "equally le we don't see skin color XDDD" as you claim. That's what makes you cucky.

This. Everyone knows jews love ethnic pride! Jews do very well in societies with strong senses of ethnic identity, because they fit in very well there!

>retarded boomer detected

>a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
Niggers, kikes, spics & dune coons share none of those with whites, your days are numbered you kike.

This kills the civnat:

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>because civic nationalism has the optics to win over the people
It's gotten to the point where even centrists think civcucks like sargon are le ebul nahtsees.

Cede ground all you like, it's not gonna help you win anybody over.

This also kills the civ nat:

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Retarded. Nationalism is a strategy for self preservation and the advancement of the interests of both you and your progeny.

It's not like you have a choice, white boy.

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When done properly.

But we're talking about room-temp-IQ magatards, here.

maximum brainlet
>doesn't understand the difference between nation, state and country
pick up a geography textbook

jews literally have doctrines the the torah saying its okay to do anything they want to non jews. i... i dunno what else you need

Facts and logic DESTROYS the civ nat.

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Niggers are not a force multiplier, they degrade the capabilities of the unit to which they are attached. I'm not interested in having niggers as allies, teammates, neighbors or fellow citizens. They should just be removed, Jews too and all non-whites while we're at it.

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>jews literally have doctrines the the torah saying its okay to do anything they want to non jews.
And why would they WANT to engender ethnic identity in us? Doesn't that make zero sense considering as soon as they are recognized as jews and not "just another baste civnat loving his country" they inevitably get kicked out?

Don't jews openly admit that multiethnic societies are good for them?

Oh wait I'm speaking to someone with a sub 80 iq who can't reason beyond "not my ideology = jews did it"

Anyone who hasn't crossed over by now are effectively on the side of kikes & will cuck until they're unrecognizable from antifa.

Answer me this civ nat cucks: What incentive do white people have having non whites living in their countries when there's evidence that:
>white people prefer to live in white neighborhoods (white flight)
>People are generally less happy living in diverse neibourhoods.
>Mixed race children generally have more problems.

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You mean different races of people think differently catalyzing different yet racially consistent worldviews, leading to inter-group competition? Wow! The more you know!

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>Who would you rather have on our side: A black or Mexican or Asian or Jewish person who loves America and sees the good that Trump is doing without listening to the mainstream media, or a straight white self loathing soiboi who wants to destroy this country?

We don’t need either you fucking retarded beaner

yeah us mixed race kids have more problems due to the racist notions most people carry. and by racist i mean acting upon things based on someones ethinicity or what i like to call "being a fucking retard with no eq or iq worth mentioning."

Europe for the Europeans.

The new world for anyone who will abide by our values.

My idea of it, and it is a good one if I may say so, is that the nation can be for all but the states can be for only one or another should they have a 90+% that wills it.

States rights should include ethnostate rights am i right?

I want to live in a society free of parasites, if you do too then we can get along. It just so happens that nearly everyone who thinks like this or has sympathy for this has ancestry from the North Sea area and then more broadly Latin Europe and then its basically non-existent everywhere else on earth. You're not going to convince black people to vote against affirmative action, welfare, reparations, and forced integration because it disproportionately benefits them. You're not going to convince mestizos, Muslims, Asians, to shut the door to their extended family coming in and you're not going to convince gays to abandon socialism because it directly subsidizes their lifestyle.

MAGA has already been subverted by zionists so what are you even hoping to accomplish with this? Get some money, get a gun, get a girl, get some land in that order. The left is becoming extremely bellicose and will power trip extremely hard once the white majority is gone - probably over firearm ownership.

>tfw you want to save the white race but your gf is a Latina

Will we be allowed in the ethnostate?

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The United States, Canada, Australia, South Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina and New Zealand are for whites. Most nonwhites will never integrate, they’ll just create enclaves.

I’ve always thought this. Even if we keep all the minorities who are right-wing, we’d still be a 90% white country which would qualify as an ethnostate. I say we set up a leftist multicultural state and deport all left wing minorities there. The left can have their multicultural utopia and we could have our ethnostate.

You have to go back

Why can't White people have anything for themselves? What is so wrong with that?

Niggers assimilate entire cities and nations and we fallback.

We let me tell you something CivNatCuck. See pic.

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She looks like a Castizo, just extremely tanned. I don’t know.

I’ve been promoting the Amerikaner plan recently. I might start making threads about it so I along with other anons can discuss the economic balance of such a nation.

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Those nigger genes sure do make it difficult to form coherent statements & use punctuation correctly.

>The left is becoming extremely bellicose and will power trip extremely hard once the white majority is gone - probably over firearm ownership.
Could be. Could be over property ownership in general, a la South Africa or Zimbabwe. Combined with some mushy, unclear ideas about "reparations," which we see being floated by presidential candidates even now, and "paying your fair share," which has been a leftist idea since basically forever, we could easily see indiscriminate property or estate seizures within thirty years. Train hard.

Sounds like a thing that will happen for real.

Sad

You have problems because you're a shitskin mutant that thinks it's human.

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People of Crime are encouraged to codeswitch and LARP publcily, while never actually assimilating. We just end up with suppressed nature that corrupts everything. It's like an entire race given to the same closeting faggots live under, but to conceal far more destructive impulses like rape, murder and epidemic property crime. Sodomites just lock the door and do gross shit. Niggers and Mestizos are given to outlandish lawlessness which they will not turn from, no matter what strategies are implemented. We will endure the byproduct of their presence for every generation until we go extinct or cinch up our belts and make the unthinkable choices we punt down the line every single generation.

Americans need to stop projecting human values on to animals. It is retarded. Cats don't actually like you, they've evolved to manipulate you. This is no different than what we're creating with the grand experiment here in America. A sub-species that is co-evolved to appease us, but hates us much more, and is far more dangerous than the domesticated feline. Niggers are not people and they do not like us. It is cruel to them and cruel to us to live in close proximity. That's the truth, deal with it.

>thirty years
>land confiscation
Try again. Mexicans AKA Aztec warriors AKA 'American citizens' already call themselves Native Americans.

Over time things change.

Burrous began to grunt and vomit before becoming unresponsive

Shitskin preferences never change

No white people like you less, trust you less becouse you are genetically distant from them. Google "Genetic similairity theory" . That's why the races should be seperated.

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I'm in the same boat my man. Had a son with my Latina wife and hes the best thing that's ever happened to me. Honestly life is a million times better than it ever was dating entitled bipolar white roastie trash.

We talk about crap like the ethnostate but the Jewish enemy keeps pumping out propaganda and winning the propaganda war, turning more and more young women against their men and country. We see through the propaganda, but it was never meant to be effective on you anyway. It's all designed to target women. Then all the weak willed and desperate men follow the women in hopes of getting puss, leaving a minority of white men to stand up against ZOG and be scapegoated as the enemy of the state. Until the brainwashing of white women is stopped there is absolutely no way in hell any sort of ethnic cohesion can happen. The best we can hope for is collective action over things like our civil rights, specifically the 2nd and 1st amendments. Yeah it's lame having based niggers, and yeah it doesn't really solve the problem of demographic replacement and genocide but it's pretty much the only option we realistically have.

Just marry a nice girl, have some kids and raise them as warriors to fight against ZOG. All we can really do.

Prove it.

I don't really care about race ether I just want more Christians and less satanists senpai

civnat faggotry only in JewSA and Israel. they deserve it.

Your mixed race low iq abomination of a son doesn't belong in the west. Kys traitor.

Trump voters

Race mixers and neocons

Truly a horrific group of people.

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Because it takes a common, state enforced religion and a totalitarian propaganda and police state, and will nessesarily result in a heirarchal society. Most civcucks think we can have freedom of religion and individualism and civic nationalism, but we cannot. America is today is civnat. There is the ruling class Jew, and state enforced religion of Jewish world Bolshevism. There is a permanent brown underclass and a White/yellow technocratic “middle class”.

Anyone with half a brain can see the end product of civic nationalism.

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democracy will ALWAYS result in an us versus them mentality and country of origin is just one way to slice that cake

If only you ruled Sweden and could save it

Nationalism is revolutionary against Imperial interests.

Uses a symbol for a word, complains about grammar.

because MUH JOOOOZZZZ you cuck kike shill. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>the mudslimes are colonizing our western countrys and
>something has to be done

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I have never been a fan of the japs, and even less of a fan of Hondas. the Civic is the worst car in the world, so why would i support a nation built upon a shitty ricer?

Bad pun is bad

>guys i don't think blacks and Jews are the biggest treat the biggest threat is Islam and its followers the mudslimes aka sand-niggers

How is the amount of dissociation you display different from those that destroyed it all? Because you have enough self awareness to admit your hypocrisy on a Taiwanese string-instrument forum?

Nah son will have good IQ. Married an intelligent and extremely conservative woman who managed to stay conservative even though she has her master's degree. Doesn't matter because as europoors like to remind Americans that they aren't white anyway. At least we kill and lock up our niggers in this country. Same can't be said for you Sven, you live in a country that celebrates their criminality and protects them.

Civic Nationalism is short-sighted. Culture is the blossom of race and sure, to some extent niggers and other races can be integrated and it still works, but if you allow mixing in America because you only deem American values important than you will not have those values in the future, as the races are different in capacity and temperament and niggers especially will not be able to uphold those lofty american (or any, really) ideals collectively.

>i depends some races are worst than others for example sand-niggers are the worst because of their stupid religion

1) It doesn't work
2) You have absolutely no way of enforcing it on those who reject it
3) >1 post by this ID
4) Niggers tongue my anus

Swing and a miss...

It is but you'll never get the majority of people to go along with ethnonationalism in the West. The very first lessons we teach our young ones is that racism is bad.

You can trick conservatives into fighting for your beliefs though using other issues such as minority criminality and the increasing totalitarianism of western governments. Once the traitorous governments and their minority allies are deposed governments that actually serve their constituency can be established. Once people see how much better life can be in such a system they will naturally gravitate towards ethnonationalism.

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White nationalists and nazis are an unwitting jewish psy-op.They run on the idea that somehow they are going to bravely rise up and get rid of all the blacks and jews, but they never will and their existence only incentivizes anti-white groups. They dont want blacks to become redpilled and understand whitey and work with us, they want them to hate whitey.

Shut up kike, there are plenty of US citizens in LA, you just want to save a buck

I’m a race realist. I don’t have a problem with civcucks because they’re an ally in the fight against cultural marxism. However in answer to your question OP, the reason why the wigger’s despise you is because a credible and popular civcuck movement would mean their plans for doomsday would never come to pass.

What you need to understand about the White Nationalist movement is that it has devolved into a doomsday cult since Charlottesville. The “leaders” if you want to call them that, have taken the black pill and believe the only way white people will take any action is that if they stand-by and allow things to “accelerate” to the point where things become so bad for the average white person that they eventually rise-up. Now like all doomsday cults, the mythical event that that is supposed to signal their prophecy has come true will never happen because they fail to realise that standing by and watching your people turn into an oppressed minority is nothing more than a way de-moralise those who you claim to stand for.

>CiViC nAtIoNaLiSm HoWeVeR iS dAnGeRoUs To ThE eLiTe

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>white nationalists are delusional
>because they don't know that based nogs will rise up and help us!!!
Wew, when were you diagnosed with down syndrome

>1488

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