I'm posting three arguments in favor of Accelerationism. Feel free to counter them if you're able.
Bonus points for sourcing your claims.
Accelerationism - Debate Me Fgts edition
Sebastian Ross
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Daniel Gomez
You're still completely retarded and wrong. Protests are not "uprising". Giving power to your enemies to further entrench their grip on the bureaucracy and courts is not victory. If you want actual accelerationism, don't vote for your enemies, fucking shoot them.
Christian Rivera
In minecraft, of course.
Daniel Powell
There will always be white men to rule over the brown masses. Raise your children to value their heritage and your decendents will be the rulers of tomorrow
Luke Thompson
>Protests are not "uprising".
True. See argument 2.
Jose Price
That's not an argument, it's a schizophrenic mess. There's no evidence that even 1% of white americans are willing to fight for anything other than self defense. The vast majority of people would simply suffer the abuse you would heap on them.
Carson Russell
After the election of Donald Trump and his winz, accelerationism is totally fucking retarded. We are going for the win. Trump has 4 more years.
Bentley Perry
6.
Jack Allen
Love seeing this nigger shot
Asher Mitchell
>schizophrenic
is a scripted response and a non-argument. Faced with open borders white will be forced to fight for self-defense.
>trump
See argument 1 lawl
Grayson Hughes
I for one, look forward to my African/Mexican/Venezuelan/Pajeet mixed great grandchild.
Liam Robinson
>memeflag
>tumblr
>non-argument
Anthony Smith
Evan Murphy
>#1 European Americans are being replaced slowly by the Right and kept complacent with empty promises
Judging by your examples what you are actually trying to argue is that those examples constitute A) a body of policy "worse" (I.e. more strongly directed at replacement of European Americans) than that of past leftist presidents, the leftist candidates for president in the 2016 election, or any of the leftist hopefuls for 2020 and/or B) just as bad as that espoused/enacted by past/present/future leftists. You provide no evidence for this presumption however, and your entire argument rests upon it.
>Argument #2
What you are actually suggesting ub this argument is that Italy, France, Poland, Sweden(!!!), and Germany are pursuing more strongly anti-immigrant policy than America under Trunp and that it is more effective than US policy. Of those, Italy is belatedly doing the bare minimum, Poland is the only one that comes close, and the rest are completely cucked and lost and the examples you provided are little closer to armed revolt (which is impossible in all those countries) than a soccer riot
>Argument #3
>As evidenced by the anti-migrant riots across the globe, only open borders will result in mass white uprising, which in America has historically led to Revolution
Name one time in our history that open borders for the US led to "Revolution".
Gavin Brooks
>Faced with open borders white will be forced to fight for self-defense.
They will not. They will be corralled, drained of resources, and die from low reproductive rate. The only way people would be willing to fight is if we convince whites to embrace their own identity again, and we are working on it, but it will take some fucking time.
Nathaniel Cook
Levi Reed
Reminder that the acceleration spammer is Moarpheus, a faggot from cuck chan
He is painfully retarded
Jacob Thompson
Jason Foster
SAGE THIS SHIT YOU FUCKERS
Kayden Robinson
Also your "argument one" is a lie. Immigration numbers, both legal and illegal, of all sorts, are down since trump took office, directly due to trump's policies. His public suggestions that he wants or supports legal immigration are clearly PR lies, and we know that he privately considers brown countries to be shitholes and resent that so many people want them to come here.
Jaxson Scott
I have 3.
1. Your Grandparents and their fathers would have not stood for the current situation and rebelled. An accelerationist in the past age would be pushing for what's happening currently yet nothing has changed. No rebellion, no pushback.
2. Brazil turned non-white and not a soul bothered to take up arms. In fact, it only encouraged more socialism and socialist rebellions.
3. Your 2. Response that Europeans are responding to accelerationism is false. They are still 80+% white. None of them are in open rebellion and aside from a few anti-migrant parties getting 20-30% of the vote the EU will still crash down on them.
In short, giving the enemy power in hopes that their vileness will lead to a revolution has to be dumbest possible strategy conceived in this era. If the Whites would rebel against open borders in America why haven't they already rebelled in the South West where Mexico has officially overtaken them by immigration and by birth?
Alexander Jones
Noah Parker
you can probably save yourself some time by reading through this thread
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also going through his posting history not a bad idea, considering the overwhellming amount of anti-white shit for a person supposedly trying to save the white race.
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Cooper Stewart
>You provide no evidence for this presumption however, and your entire argument rests upon it.
I provided several examples of the Right using slow motion genocide by granting amnesty and refusing to deport illegals.
>the rest are completely cucked and lost and the examples you provided are little closer to armed revolt (which is impossible in all those countries) than a soccer riot
Not the case in America, which has a long and rich history of not merely protesting but revolution.
>Name one time in our history that open borders for the US led to "Revolution".
America has never had open borders in the context of Europe. I wonder why..
>pic related
>They will be corralled, drained of resources, and die from low reproductive rate.
Already happening.
>and we are working on it, but it will take some fucking time
Your side has been trying for the past 5 years if we consider Spencer, and even longer if we count the efforts of David Duke. We're out of time. When the boomers die out in just a few years the 48% +/- white population will drop to 35-40% +/-. Your strategists have failed.
>no argument
>ad hominem
>(((dailystormer))) tier propaganda
>oy vey shut it down
"announcing a report or sage is a bannable offense."
>Immigration numbers, both legal and illegal, of all sorts, are down since trump took office
Incorrect and there are sources in my argument 1 maymay proving it.
>. An accelerationist in the past age would be pushing for what's happening currently yet nothing has changed. No rebellion, no pushback
times have changed. many decades of social conditioning forces things to get worse before better.
>Brazil turned non-white and not a soul bothered to take up arms.
pic related. America has an X factor that no other place has.
>They are still 80+% white
Germany turned non-white in a single generation. Your numbers dont match reality.
very sad
Hudson Ortiz
Accelerationism is a global strategy for the survival of the white race. The immediate goal is the weakening of the USA and diminishment of its ability to project military force and maintain financial imperialism. We want to take America down as quickly as possible so it cannot drag everyone else down with it.
Logan Jackson
he also uses a vpn
>xLw0pcOq
is also him. Presumably. Unless some phone poster has literally all the exact same images saved
The more you know!
Brayden Ross
>The immediate goal is the weakening of the USA
I'm not sure. ZOG isn't USA. I'd like to weaken ZOG so it can't project it's agenda on others. This strengthens the USA.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
jesus christ stay terrified, anglin
Aaron Powell
>Already happening.
Right now, whites are becoming more conservative, as liberal whites reproduce less than conservative whites. Within a couple decades, the political and racial divide will be indistinguishable. This will be an excellent set up for more dramatic action, especially given that over that time, we can and already are using the internet to proliferate racial awareness.
>Your side has been trying for the past 5 years if we consider Spencer, and even longer if we count the efforts of David Duke.
Spencer's a kike. I'm talking about US. Jow Forums and its offspring. And our message of unironic and misanthropic racism, over the wishywashy bullshit of most ethno-nationalist organizations.
>Incorrect and there are sources in my argument 1 maymay proving it.
There are no sources at all. It's just quotes and an incorrect prediction. Fact: legal and illegal immigration in 2018 was lower than 2017, and 2017 lower than 2016. Refugee admittance is 80% lower than it was under obama. You're fucking WRONG.
Brayden Bailey
>ZOG isn't USA.
Yes it is. They are identical. USA is a Jewish nation.
Easton Butler
Pretend Brazil and South Africa are what America looks like under Accelerationism. Do either of those look good? How about Zimbabwe?
Rhodesia is gone.
Charles Miller
>"announcing a report or sage is a bannable offense."
Advising others to report or sage is not.
Reading comprehension is a part of brain development and you are only revealing your underage status more and more.
Austin Jenkins
The bill doesn't do those bad things. There is no amnesty. It does not prevent wall construction. Stop spreading disinfo made for clickbait articles hours after the text of the bill was released.
Alexander Allen
Joshua Nelson
Protests are not results, kike.
David Ramirez
>whites are becoming more conservative
and more Zionist.
>And our message of unironic and misanthropic racism
pic related. it was never about racism. You have been impotent because your message is not proper. pic related
>Fact: legal and illegal immigration in 2018 was lower than 2017
incorrect. see:
There's quotes by our founding fathers talking about the jewish menace. The problem is Israel, Zionism, and Jews. ZOG controls most places: America, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, France..etc.. The world must remove Zionist influence from their Governments. If the body has cancer you remove the tumor, you dont kill the entire body in spite of it.
See argument 2
>There is no amnesty
*ahem*
>I am not granting amnesty...
>but I'm also using amnesty in a larger deal and I am not deporting 11,000,000 illegals already here
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Owen Thomas
>The bill doesn't do those bad things.
Yes, it does.
>There is no amnesty.
Yes, there is.
>It does not prevent wall construction
Yes, it does.
>Stop spreading disinfo made for clickbait articles hours after the text of the bill was released.
Says the retard who is literally repeating clickbait articles from paid GOP shills.
Xavier Ortiz
dude he doesn't give a fuck about reality
Hes either a legit schizo or turbo shill. My moneys on the latter.
Ayden Rivera
>Yes, it does.
it literally doesn't
>yes there is
there literally isn't
don't forget to sage
Hunter Walker
Fuck off faggot I don't see you going out protesting and getting your arm blown off, no you're a moshie shill sucking your jewish masters cut off foreskin
Angel Ward
You don't want this to happen out of some noble cause. You want ot to happen because your life is meaningless in current society, and you hope that some monkey wrench will be thrown to fuck up society enough that your meaningless existence will now have a purpose. I bet you imagine yourself as some insurgent or partisan fighting in a civil war innawoods that would be the defining event of our generation because it's easier following orders or taking potshots instead of having to get your current life in order.
Xavier Watson
this, show us a victory Europoors
Hunter Russell
Christopher Lewis
If your life isn't meaningless in this current pozzed society you are the problem.
>I bet you imagine yourself as some insurgent or partisan fighting in a civil war innawoods
Accelerationism is about waking the masses and forcing real political change, not muh terrorism.
Alexander Lewis
>muh yellow vests
you do realize they are not protesting immigration, right?
Josiah Wilson
>and more Zionist.
Some, yeah, but anti-semitism is also on the rise, which is a good sign
>it was never about racism
It fucking SHOULD BE and you're a bluepilled faggot if you don't understand why.
>but I'm also using amnesty in a larger deal and I am not deporting 11,000,000 illegals already here
But he literally didn't do that. There is no amnesty in the bill.
>Yes, it does.
Nope
>Yes, there is.
Nope. Illegals can't be sponsors or potential sponsors, it's a special legal classification you have to apply for with the DHS. Illegals also can't prove legal tenancy unless they've committed identity theft in which case they'll be arrested for that instead, and if illegals bring minors with them, the minors aren't "unaccompanied", obviously.
>Yes, it does.
Nope, all the bill does is prohibit the use of other funds allocated in that bill for border construction other than the 1.3 billion specifically earmarked for wall construction. Funds obtained from the pentagon or from the national emergency act can be used for wall construction, as is obvious by the fact that democrat politicians are not claiming that he can't, they're merely debating whether he can legally obtain those funds in the first place.
>Says the retard who is literally repeating clickbait articles from paid GOP shills.
When did I do that?
Samuel Richardson
Good job, you lost an arm to a globohomo regime that hates you and accomplished nothing. There are only two ways to win, vote for the republicans, or kill the democrats, in minecraft. You don't win by voting for your enemies and then complaining about their policies and hoping enough people listen to you.
Matthew Sanders
You can read it yourself, nigger. And all immigration legal experts say the same. The only two people I have seen say otherwise are Andrew Anglin and Jizzhands McFelch, both paid GOP shills.
Nolan Campbell
How are you going to wake the masses when you spend every night in your moms basement spamming your retarded ideas on Jow Forums? its not like anyones falling for them moarpheus :^)
Jordan Lewis
If by "all immigration experts" you mean ann coulter, 6 hours after the text was dropped.
Zachary Torres
>you do realize they are not protesting immigration, right?
Here's some protesting immigration.
Ryder Harris
yellow vests are protesting a number of issues, including immigration
>pic related
>Some, yeah, but anti-semitism is also on the rise, which is a good sign
Anti-Semitism is the other side of the Zionist shekel. Read some Herzl.
>It fucking SHOULD BE and you're a bluepilled faggot if you don't understand why.
You disagree with Hitler and the SS leadership? You aren't a National Socialist. Maybe you're a (((Neo-Nazi)))?
>But he literally didn't do that. There is no amnesty in the bill.
Trump said he's using amnesty for a larger deal and he isn't pushing to deport 11,000,000 illegals already here. Cope harder.
Nathaniel Richardson
here's the yellow vest spreading to cucked canada
Bentley Baker
Ok but calling Trump ""history's biggest loser" seems like a stretch here when the guy is clearly changing his platform to win re-election
Anthony Gutierrez
I've actually read it, unlike you.
Why don't you source your claims nigger? :^)
Theres no amnesty according to DHS and ICE, they are probably better experts then whatever faggot youre getting your info from.
Dominic Taylor
>muh demoralization shilling
That hasn't worked in 4 years, user. My ego is too big for it to work. Accelerationism, as a meme, is spreading. If you can influence Jow Forums you are influencing real people who use every other social media services, and you well know this... which is why /ptg/ spams Trump 24/7. Right?
William Lewis
>Anti-Semitism is the other side of the Zionist shekel.
That doesn't make any fucking sense.
>You disagree with Hitler and the SS leadership?
Yes. If I had been hitler, I would have killed every jew in continental europe.
>You aren't a National Socialist.
Correct! I guess the closest thing would be a paleo-conservative, though I don't give a shit about abortion.
>Trump said he's using amnesty for a larger deal
He says a lot of shit that just isn't true because although his policies are pretty decent, he doesn't have the guts to stand by them. Nothing he's done has granted any form of amnesty, nor is there such a policy in the pipes.
Joshua Flores
He's not changing his platform. He's just finally executing on his old platform, which should be encouraged.
Ryder Rivera
You can't be fucking serious. You try to convince us that the only way forward is to vote for socialism and just hope for some kind of collapse that you assume we will come out on top of, and then when you get called a retard, you accuse your OPPONENT of demoralization shilling? You absolutely fucking retarded kike.
Jack Baker
> There are only two ways to win, vote for the republicans
Oh so vote for the (((GOP))) who hates us
Dude I wanna see the republican party crumble, the leftists are always going to be our enemy i'd rather have white nationalists be the one to face them then some cuckservative republican.
> You don't win by voting for your enemies and then complaining about their policies and hoping enough people listen to you.
I want whites to be murdered in the streets to the point we either preserve our people and race or we die I don't care any longer.
Ethan Butler
>That doesn't make any fucking sense.
I'd like you to read the quote in pic related. It's easy to post it than type it all out. And give me your thoughts on the matter.
>Correct!
Well, Jow Forums is a NatSoc board. Accelerationism is a strategy within the framework of next-gen National Socialism. Maybe try (((Gab))) if you wanna MIGA?
>ou try to convince us that the only way forward is to vote for socialism and just hope for some kind of collapse that you assume we will come out on top of
History proves both the theory and practice of Accelerationism as I've defined it.
Nathaniel Sanders
agreed. I was anticipating having to debat far-righters here but it seems like "we" are on the same page
Brody Fisher
ah yes, look at all those anti immigration signs
oh wait...
>yellow vests are protesting a number of issues, including immigration
boy, you really never do read your own articles, do ya buddy?
>But the possible imposition of quotas floated by Mr Macron has sparked outrage – and confusion – as curbing immigration is not one of the core demands of the yellow vests, which include a higher minimum wage, a more participative democracy and Mr Macron’s resignation
I mean I suppose I should thank you, ever one of your fuck ups unironically gets to go in my cringe compilation(s)
Nicholas Reed
>You can't be fucking serious. You try to convince us that the only way forward is to vote for socialism
Things gotta burn before they can improve, the entire system is corrupt and toxic it needs a flame to purify it.
Isaiah Martinez
>Illegals can't be sponsors or potential sponsors,
They don't need to be, dumbass. There are plenty of citizens who can and will act as sponsors.
>Nope, all the bill does is prohibit the use of other funds allocated in that bill for border construction other than the 1.3 billion specifically earmarked for wall construction
There is no money for wall construction. There is money for fence construction. Read the bill.
>Funds obtained from the pentagon or from the national emergency act can be used for wall construction
False
>When did I do that?
Your talking points have been taken directly from paid GOP shill jizzhands mcfelch, word for word.
Hudson Baker
see
try harder moshe
Owen Hill
>Oh so vote for the (((GOP))) who hates us
The GOP has drifted righward ever since McCain finally fucking died. They know that the anti-immigrant platform is the only way they can win. It doesn't matter if they're genuine or not as long as they do what we want them to do.
>I don't care any longer.
Well I DO CARE. I have a life I want to live and friends and family that I will not allow to suffer. I know you're actually just a socialist trying to use reverse psychology, but if the left wins, and I know some stupid faggot like you who voted for them for the sake of "accelerationism", I will make them wish they had never been born. In Minecraft.
Kevin Bennett
>ah yes, look at all those anti immigration signs
oh wait...
>looks at UN compact signs
yeah I see the cucked canadians protesting immigration what are you doing again moshie?
Jace Baker
gotta love the side view of those yellow vests you say aren't protesting migration.
Benjamin Butler
oy vey this doesn't fit the kike narrative! shut it down!
Thomas Wilson
>demorilization
Bro, I want you to get OUT of the basement and stop being such a retarded faggot. Im trying to help you by showing how fucking retarded and pathetic you are right now.
>4 years
oh shit, youve been NEETing it up on cripple chan for 4 years? No wonder youre so fucked up.
go out, get a job, lose that huge gut of yours, get a girl, have a bunch of white children. I PROMISE you will be happier then you are now and probably a little less retarded.
Accelerationism is fucking retarded and never going to work. Even if it did, the white population would be absolutely fucking destroyed in the process. The mormons went from 5 million to 50 million in like 1 generation, following their example is a better idea then your stupid shit
:^)
Sebastian Lee
This. A creeper farm to source funpowder can make a really big TNT cannon. Can shoot them a couple hundo blocks at least. Can never have enough funpowder.
Julian Williams
>I'd like you to read the quote in pic related.
Yeah it's fucking stupid. If every jew in the world was in israel that would be better than how it currently is. The only reason that the US is so ZOG'd is because of the existence of diaspora. If all the jews were in one place, we would be free to allow them to be eaten by their neighbors.
>Well, Jow Forums is a NatSoc board.
Wrong, Jow Forums is an anti kike and anti nigger board. Socialism is for blue pilled dipshits who think that the world owes them something.
Jonathan Taylor
>The GOP has drifted righward ever since McCain finally fucking died. They know that the anti-immigrant platform is the only way they can win
Trump was the anti immigration candidate of the GOP
i'm done playing the 2 sides of the same jewish coin.
Oliver Butler
Let’s set Weimar into overdrive boys
Joseph Moore
I don’t want to rule over brown masses, I want whites to live in a country they can call home.
William Barnes
>Accelerationism is fucking retarded and never going to work
support your position with a proper argument? or show anons you're a failtroll with no substance and Acceleration scares the Jew
>If every jew in the world was in israel that would be better than how it currently is
pic related says your wrong.
>The only reason that the US is so ZOG'd is because of the existence of diaspora
Israel controls America. Diaspora kikes are largely anti-Zionist. Trump is a Zionist. Bush was a Zionist. You dont see Trump pushing the liberal kike agenda but the Zionist agenda. There are no good Jews.
>Jow Forums isn't a natsoc board
lurk moar migapede
Aaron Cox
Brazil and South Africa were never white majority countries. Comparing America to them isn’t a good idea.
Gabriel Thompson
Seems like they're getting a bit scared they've tripled the police presence and have started bringing in armored trucks.
Jonathan Watson
Henry White
The flame will burn all the same, better that white people have more time to fester and get angry before you deprive them of power
>They don't need to be
yes they do
>There are plenty of citizens who can and will act as sponsors.
We're not talking about citizens, we're talking about illegals. What fucking point are you trying to make?
>There is no money for wall construction. There is money for fence construction.
You absolute retard. A wall is a wall regardless if it's steel or concrete. We swapped to steel months ago because it's cheaper, faster to put up, is more ecologically friendly, and can be seen through by border patrol. How is it less effective than concrete?
>False
NOPE. YOU read the bill, dipshit.
>Your talking points have been taken directly from paid GOP shill jizzhands mcfelch, word for word.
It's not "talking points", I'm explaining basic legal and policy concepts to you.
Leo Perez
>ann coulter
Who is a legal expert on immigration, and has drafted federal immigration bills herself.
But it's not just her. The team at NumbersUSA (a think tank entirely dedicated to reducing immigration) has said exactly the same thing.
>I've actually read it, unlike you
Yes, I have.
>Theres no amnesty according to DHS and ICE
Who are just playing semantics because it does not grant them citizenship (which is how they choose to define amnesty). But creating loop holes to allow illegals to remain indefinitely is de facto amnesty.
Jayden Torres
Damn. Imagine a few years of that in every major American city.
Anthony Reyes
That line was a transparent lie. All of trump's policies have only made legal immigration more difficult, slower, and reduced the total numbers.
Ethan Russell
>support your position with a proper argument?
I already did in the last thread, remember? You embarrassed yourself by posting an incorrect source suggesting that CA had 222 anti-immigration protests when at the end of the day you could only ever come up with 2 examples before the Trump era and two after
>despite claiming immediately before hand that the protests had stopped because Trump gave them false hope
Its all right here and you have still yet to give a clear response to this:
Why did whites in california not riot when they were completely replaced in under 20 years, and seeing as they didn't what makes you believe whites in other states would do so?
Cameron Edwards
Oh and quick reminder, “LXH+V5h6” and “yl2bPgCI” are actual kushner shills who appear in every thread that criticize Trump’s cucking towards shitskins. The former is known to spam photos of the Covington kids and doesn’t provide any actual arguments. Just blacklist their IDs and continue to participate in the thread.
Joshua Roberts
It's coming it started out over gas tax, Macron's already conceded that they've been protesting for 15 weeks and it's still growing
Caleb Walker
Your picture is fucking retarded. Israel would be nothing without us.
>Diaspora kikes are largely anti-Zionist.
The athiest ones are, the orthadox ones in the northeast (IE, Trump's buddies) are zionists, and they have deep roots in our government. In fact they make up a large fraction of our federal congress.
>There are no good Jews.
Exactly! Which is why we should get rid of all of them.
>lurk moar migapede
Eat my shit, you literal jew.
Connor Jones
>That line was a transparent lie. All of trump's policies have only made legal immigration more difficult, slower, and reduced the total numbers.
Lol okay bud what a fucking joke, demographics are already to the point where no republican can ever be voted in again.
James Rodriguez
>Who is a legal expert on immigration
She's an author, and an attention whore, who is explicit wrong for the reasons I've already described.
>But creating loop holes to allow illegals to remain indefinitely is de facto amnesty.
It doesn't do that.
Robert Roberts
>if you kill your enemies, they win
>let them win, so you will win
Literally your Trudeau-tier logic. Is this the brilliant strategy since nothing else is working? Can’t meme, can’t shill, you just don’t get what sells, do you?
Your product sucks, you change repackage and rename it all you want.
Ayden Smith
Well then why the fuck are you trying to convince us not to vote for them if you're so sure?
Bentley Rodriguez
That’s exactly how the Natsocs rose to power, Acclerationism did the trick. By keeping conservative neocons in office. The counter culture will quickly go back to the left’s way. That’s what it was like when Bush left office.
Elijah Watson
>But creating loop holes to allow illegals to remain indefinitely is de facto amnesty.
If you are referring to the sponsor element it actually doesn't
You have still yet to source your claim btw. Like an actual source. Because NumbersUSA actually walked back their original concern shilling if you forgot and switched to complaining about the beds/child smuggling
numbersusa.com
Zachary Evans
We need to retake pol and do something about the sorry state the chins have been recently
Matthew Brooks
I have an honest question, why do you continue to shill in every thread that doesn’t view Trump in a positive light?
Easton Green
>That’s exactly how the Natsocs rose to power
No it's not you fucking liar. They did it by assassinating their political rivals.
Hudson Diaz
I mean you can vote for Zion Don again but he's only going to pacify whites and let in more immigrants thanks to his child sponsoring program and you gotta love his 200 million extra to Israel... he's just playing 4d chess right magapede? gotta listen to Q