> wash ur penis
haha, Juden Peterstein DESTROYED
Except the obvious mental block that he has concerning white identity, he has said some solid stuff.
BUT, i recognize that the stuff that he avoids is actually the most important and the stuff good is nullified by this
Discuss.
Discuss? Lmfao stfu faggot, no one gives a fuck about you
/thread
>inb4 you do
He is just another anti-white jew
>Except the obvious mental block that he has concerning white identity
he's really fucking blue pilled on collectivism vs. individualism in general, not just specific to white identity. at least he's consistent there. except maybe with the Jews.
>t. true intellectual
He literally says to have no identity other than yourself (worship yourself). He also gives Christian lectures without mentioning Christ once.
He's an anti-christ
true
what i meant is that he gives solid self-improvement advice and properly criticises post-modernism and we started a reddit-tier meme that makes it seem like he says kindergarden stuff
Start with this:
Discuss what?
>everyone be an individual except for the glorious Ashkenazi master race
less general
youtu.be
The only reason the alt right turned on him was because he rejected ethno-politics.
JBP was slandered because he was effective. Nothing he says explicitly supports globalism. Argument literally about taking your cross on your back which could be applied to anything in your life which brings you meaning. He owned this board and then suddenly a bunch of reddit-spacing shills start muh peterstein meme. Pathetic.
Not to mention he's encouraging men to be men.
Collectivism is the bluepilled bullshit. There is literally no reason to support it unless you suck at everything (e.g. neo-nazis).
Not that I support this guy, because he makes flawed arguments all the time and isn't a great writer.
Exactly, so why do we make fun of his advice when our problem with him is his inability (or refusal) to recognize the importance of genetics and the collective
Peterson saved my life.
>youtu.be
this one is bad
How does it make your own life better?
>JBP was slandered because he was effective.
>Not to mention he's encouraging men to be men.
this
his value was not in naming the jew
he teaches men to say no to marxism
>He literally says to have no identity other than yourself
No he doesn't faggot.
>(worship yourself)
He's explicitly said that placing yourself on the highest pedestal immediately puts you in hell
>He also gives Christian lectures without mentioning Christ once.
He has had talks about the bible that are on parts Jesus isn't in, yes. That's not weird.
For one thing he contributed to me giving religion another shot
Will be interesting watching him on QANDA tonight
>There is literally no reason to support it unless you suck at everything (e.g. neo-nazis).
On the contrary, there is plenty of reason to collectivize even if you're good at many things. Let's say that I and three other individuals are of the same competency at a given task. If we are all individualists, then each of us is all in competitive parity with the other 3, correct?
But if 2 of us identify as being members of a common tribe, and pool resources to some extent toward advancement of each other, then our competitiveness is enhanced relative to the two remaining individualists. In the long run, we would be able to squeeze out the individualists.
Thus, the Petersontarian argument that the only reason to behave collectively is to make up for one's own shortcomings is a false one. Persons of high ability may also benefit from collectivism. And this is also demonstrated beyond the level of pure theory by many population groups, such as say, the Koreans. Koreans are on average highly intelligent, highly competitive, and are ALSO much more likely to hire other Koreans and buy from Korean vendors instead of from non-Koreans.
I btfo out of incompetent teams all the time.
You should always strive to ally with other competent individuals, but they only make up maybe 5% of potential colleagues. And yes, it's easy for that small group to keep the retards at bay. Only retards support collectivism, and it still doesn't help them.
>I btfo out of incompetent teams all the time.
Your personal anecdote doesn't address my argument, which is about situations where you are others are at competitive parity.
>You should always strive to ally with other competent individuals, but they only make up maybe 5% of potential colleagues.
And if out of your 5% of potential colleagues who are at the same competitiveness as you, what happens if 2% of them team up against you and the other remaining 3%? Once again, your masturbation of your own ego about how you're superior doesn't address the argument being made.
Alt right is a fucking delusion
>where you are others are
*where you and others are
Discuss what? His esoteric and incoherent ramblings?
here are some videos where he gets shit on. the first one is so bad youtube put it in shut it down mode
It's called taking the piss. You're pretty dumb if a German has to explain a joke to you. Reflect on that one.
>It's called taking the piss.
All the more reason to wash your penis
Sorry, I just had to.
>i recognize that the stuff that he avoids is actually the most important and the stuff good is nullified by this
You are only looking at it in terms of what he says politically.
If you actually listen to his non-political stuff (Maps of Meaning lectures, all of them), there is a massive amount of good advice and perspective.
For almost the past 6 months, I've not paid a lot of attention to JP. For the past 2 months, I've felt depressed and useless and shitty in general. I started listening to his 2015 Maps of Meaning lectures the other day and I'm already feeling more positive and I've been more productive. Some here would still continue to shill against him and point out why I'm wrong for deriving motivation from his non-political lectures. Some people on this board are so mind-fucked and ideologically possessed to the point that they judge him entirely by some things they disagree with him about politically.
Well, I guess I walked into that one, didn't I?
I remember when the shilling against him started. It was the most bizarre thing. So many on the left were vehemently against him, then people here (who might have been leftists LARPing as conservatives) started shilling against him. Surreal....
What shilling? People naturally dislike him because he's a psychologist and he's a charlatan who's taking in hundreds of thousands of dosh on his patreon because he tells losers to clean their rooms.
I saw the very first epicenter video of his where he was talking to the tranny freak. He specifically made an indirect reference to right wing death squads and the fact that he feared them. He's just a LEAF that was always left-of-center but started punching left against the freakish feminist tranny horde, and then he blew up similarly to Milo or other non-right anti-sjw figureheads.
Fuck Peterstein and fuck his softbrained boomer psychology.
^ that quote applies to all including Jews
>"but muh Peterstein says it's ok for Jews to put their group identity first in life
THAT IS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE. give them unimportant shit that does nothing, and steer them away from important shit. that is how controlled opposition works.
ask yourself this, what ideas does he present that could actually change society? he stresses focusing on yourself. who cares how good of a knot you can tie if the boat is sinking? fuck that charlatan, fix the holes in the boat, hit the bilge pump and bail that shit out before you sink.
>t. low caveman IQ
There's more to life than brute force and ignorance and I hope you figure it out sooner than later.
>give them unimportant shit that does nothing
Somebody has never listened to much, if any, of his non-political stuff. You retards never cease to amaze me.
>Except the obvious mental block that he has concerning white identity
Which is the most important part.
>It's called taking the piss.
>he's a charlatan who's taking in hundreds of thousands of dosh on his patreon because he tells losers to clean their rooms.
You neglect to mention from which argumentative standpoint people on the right attack Jordan Peterson. His life advice of taking responsibility for your own life and actions are good, and should not simply disregarded, agreed. But he also rails against identity politics, yet fails to denounce them when they are being practiced by Jews. He even goes further and seems to embrace and cherish them, when they do it. This is the main point of critic leveled against him.
Do you dismiss everything else he says based on that alone?
Is there no way to incorporate anything else he says based on that alone?
If so, pathetic.
he seems ok, he talks alot sooner or later he is bound to say something silly
>durr gurr he say clean der room lololol
you have no idea what that statement even means faggot which is why you have the most milquetoast surface understanding of it. Jow Forums is hollow from the inside now because of dolts like you who are easily manipulated by muh joos meme. Grow up Billy
Peterson encourages men to make a plan for their life, plot their future and develop habits that will allow them to make it a reality.
If whites in america took that advice, we would be rid of all the spics in a decade.
fpbp
JP is a defcon-5 level faggot and boring as fuck to anyone who actually studied the subjects his NEET fans think he's an expert in.
>there were no individuals in any ethnostate
you sound like commie trash
If the Fat Atheist Talker hates him he’s probably right
I don't disagree that he should be consistent when it comes to Jews, which he has not been. He has observed what happens when others do it, and he is obviously cautious about it. It's the only hang up I have with him. But unlike so many others, I don't dispense with his advice and perspective based on this one issue.
>"you are totally lying"
>"except when you bring up all that really important true stuff"
neck yourself fucking retard
and yet another one. no arguments. just memes. someone said he's wi'da'joos better stay away. you are as easily manipulated as the leftist garbage on this board right now
My IQ reaches beyond what you could ever dream of brainlet. Why are you defending some leaf cuck? Because he has some lectures you've watched that sound nice? His modernist tongue seeps nothing but mindless venom.
Oh yes, I'm sure that the statement is so profound, assuredly the post-modernist psychologist is speaking in high-cognition language and he's just truly an esoteric demi-god.
Fuck off nigger
we are talking about political beliefs, on a political discussion board.
a real conoisseur of the lobster man are you? whatever floats your boat mate, but you wont find any love for JBP on Jow Forums. he's a shill and its been proven. just take one look at his work hes so proud of at the UN. but yeah, enjoy your self help guru
>no idea what the statement means
ffs why do JP fans think he's dishing out anything more sophisticated than standard guidance counselor mantras. this is only deep to you because you probably didn't pay attention, ever, to the adults who have tried to help you (including your parents).
If you fail on the most important step then your advice is pretty much worthless.
LOL literally no argument again. Reeks of /nu pol/. Can't even spend 5 minutes on a topic if it doesn't have a meme attached. Kill yourself mong.
What does clean your room mean? c'mon friend, you're so enlightened. why is that a significant statement? I bet you get it totally wrong.
>donate to my patreon to make up for the fact that you never had a father figure in your life
the first 2 points in the picture are good, then comes the meme. No, it is not that simple
>no arguments. just memes
this is the part where you act like the smart person you pretend to be and do some fucking research. JP's hackiness is so well documented it's already become a stale subject.
Do you think you presented an argument? Are you braindead? All you did was:
>hurr you just don't understand, it's above your head hurr you're a hillbilly hurr
You know what it means? It means nothing. Just like everything else some post-modernist psychologist has to say about anything. Meaningless drivel spewing forth from a cavernous maw of darkness and confusion. But at least he wraps brainlets like you around his finger and milks you to put millions in his own pockets, so good for him.
>My IQ reaches beyond what you could ever dream of brainlet.
typical
If you're all about individualism jew, then jews he's your guy. If you want a future for white people and white children, then he's your enemy. Not that hard.
>My biggest priority is race
Jow Forums is full of pathetic idiots.
answer this for me my tiny brained friend
>but you wont find any love for JBP on Jow Forums
Funny, you must be pretty new, because there was a significant period of time where people like you weren't shilling against him and there was a lot of support for him.
it means to have your own shit together before you criticize others. it means that organizing your life begins at the micro level of organizing your domicile.
it's not deep. stop embarrassing yourself.
wow! plan for your life? thats real groundbreaking stuff no one has thought of before. "just focus on yourself and everything will work out in 20-30 years".
also how the fuck do you logic taking petersons advice would lead to an ethnostate?
My biggest priority for some guy who's "trying to wake up" disillusioned teens is.
mediocre reception at best. thats our reddit infestation manifested. you will find ironic or unironic support for anything or anyone you post on Jow Forums. dont mean shit
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Nobody is specifically shilling against some soft-brained leaf boomer psychologist. He's the one who's making a ton of money spewing a bunch of nonsense to softer-brained soft-bodied boys, so he's the one who has annoying fans that shill for him. That's why you think people shill against him, because you're basically a shill that works for free that thinks natural hatred is "shilling."
It is quite apparent that young men appreciate the encouragement and information that comes from him. I think that the psychological perspective he brings is valuable to a lot of people, but w/e
He himself points out that what he is saying is nothing that his fans shouldn't have already been hearing, and laments that they have been dying to hear it before he came up.
Also I think that for some reason in the modern age people rarely try to impart wisdom on their kids, maybe they think that with all the information available on the Internet they don't need to, or that their tech-savvy teens don't need it.
If you want to argue against Peterson, saying that what he says is useless is pointless because the people who follow him already disagree with you, so you're just talking shit.
I stopped paying attention to Juden when he randomly started tweeting that Kavanaugh should resign after all the shit he went through to get confirmed. Is he still around?
Like him or not, he's been handing out 'babby's first redpill' to millions and the redpill journey has to start somewhere.
Think of it like a bucket brigade
You want to get the water to the fire
Anyone moving the buckets in the right direction is helping you put out the fire
You don't shit on the people helping you put out the fire just because they aren't standing where you are.
>unless you just want everything to burn
>You want to get the water to the fire
>Anyone moving the buckets in the right direction is helping you put out the fire
Going off this analogy, the disagreement then is among members of the bucket brigade as to where the fire even is. For those who regard the 'fire' as being cultural marxism, Peterson is moving the bucket in the right direction. But for those who regard the 'fire' as being Jewish self-interest, Peterson is actually diverting the bucket away from where it should go.
>he's been handing out 'babby's first redpill' to millions and the redpill journey has to start somewhere.
But they already hated cultural marxism, they just needed someone to show them how to express it and plenty of people already cover that. Contrary to popular belief SJWs aren't well liked in society.
You can't even argue he's pushing people in the right direction since he's pushing them towards radical individualism and away from white identity, he's even said people have told him he's brought them back to the center away from the right
Peterson's direction alone leads you to a dead end of mental cuckery, and easily blinds you to the reality of the deeper evils and greater goods.
lol and you got it completely wrong user. you literally repeated the most superficial take on it. it has to do with order, potential and logos. Try again.
You seem to know all the answers, explain what "wash your penis" actually means.
then go take up arms leaf and lead your ethnonationalist revolution, but you won't. because you're a coward who has to post about it anonymously on an imageboard.
He's a faggot who denies the existence of the White race and drones on about how individualism created the West.
Fucker never heard of trade guilds, Roman legions, or nation states. He is nothing more than a book merchant. Wash your penis is an accurate description.
Hes promoting classical liberal individualism as if it was some new solution not the problem we had for decades, cant answer a simple question about Jews, loves Solzhenitzyn but somehow thinks antisemitism is stupid, for some reason is against white identity, worked for the UN, the list of problems is long. He's "far right" or sth because he said women dont have dicks
Just because you believe in the existence of the White race, or your particular ethnicity, and you want that ethnicity or race to survive doesn't mean you have to blow you self up, you intolerable faggot.
His own daughter is a major slut, I mean besides his Enlightenment Era ideas being fucking gay, I'm not going to listen to some asshole telling me how to run my life with "success" when he can't even control his own fucking daughter from taking several cocks every week.
>clean your room actually has to do with logos
The hatred I feel for you and Peterson knows no depth. Putrid brainless post-modernist faggotry. Just a totally dense verbiage with no true meaning, worshipping the euphoric faggotry of the enlightenment and late-enlightenment era. Imagine trying to explain "clean your room" and then going into a 15 minute lecture about Jung, Piaget, referencing Christianity and the Incarnation as "concepts" and then referencing buddhism, and then talking about 3 conjunctive male-female states, and all sorts of dogshit.
Masturbatory intellectuals like Peterson were the beginning of the degenerate spiral into the abyss for western civilization, and the only solution for this intelligentsia is death.
Bitch should have been home cooking and cleaning.
checked and based.
To torture this analogy a bit further, I'm suggesting Peterson is standing at the edge of the lake scooping out buckets of water.
He may ultimately want them delivered somewhere else, but as soon as the bucket gets handed to the next person it no longer matters what he wants.
Stop trying to prevent him from filling the buckets, and concentrate maybe on how to get them going in the direction you want.
This is a good tldr of Peterson.
I don't want Juden Peterson brainwashing young Whites that the death of our race is somehow desirable or a non-issue.
Hes a money starved clickbait youtuber that showes bananas up his ass. His opinion is irrelevant
>To torture this analogy a bit further
Let's keep stretching it and see where it goes
>He may ultimately want them delivered somewhere else, but as soon as the bucket gets handed to the next person it no longer matters what he wants.
I don't think this is accurate. Because he also has prescriptive elements to his message regarding avoiding identitarianism, he does indeed have an effect on the movement of the bucket downstream. Within the analogy, as he fills the bucket he's also attaching a label to them warning folks not to pass it on to certain other people.
>Stop trying to prevent him from filling the buckets, and concentrate maybe on how to get them going in the direction you want.
That's exactly what I'm concentrating on. I want to prevent JBP from putting his warning label on the buckets. If he were to speak ONLY of the need to oppose cultural marxism and institutionality (in effect only filling the buckets), I would not speak against him.
>He may ultimately want them delivered somewhere else, but as soon as the bucket gets handed to the next person it no longer matters what he wants.
If he's standing there filling buckets then he's doing so while yelling "TAKE THEM TO THE MARXISM FIRE!" and calling any taking the buckets to the JQ fire an anti-semitic nazi.
We've already explained how he isn't helping in the end goal, stop ignoring the answers we've given.
Fucking thread..its been proven...sick serpent anti white gatekeeper
Institutionality? Fuck me, not sure why I wrote that. *Intersectionality
within the institutions, if you like (har har)
>"Alt-Right's DISHONEST criticism of Jordan Peterson"
Brah you fell for the shill tricks - those of use with half a brain know Jordan is far more valuable as an ally than an enemy and we agree with much of what he says.
Then again.... we're not really "alt-right" here... we're Jow Forums...