Tfw too autistic to care about abortion

Sure they're technically human but they can't grasp any sense of ego or complex emotions. The average pig we send to be butchered feels more emotion than a fetus.

There's literally nothing wrong with abortion. Its a form a eugenics that weeds out major disorders and shitty parents. In extreme cases where the baby has a disorder so severe they'll never have the ability to live independently, post-birth abortion is also justified. You've been brainwashed by neocucks. Killing weak babies is perfctly normal for humans.

So.. we agree? I am saying that the "clump of cells" they always describe it as is a particularly important clump of cells, not exactly something to just dismiss like a cancerous tumor.

Fuck as a dad that fucks me up pretty good

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They are subhuman mate

They're human blueprints. Not actual humans until they can perform basic functions without a womb.

>Killing weak babies is perfctly normal for humans.

You know thats not what this debate is about. Most abortions are performed on a perfectly healthy, viable fetus. Eugenics is irrelevant.

What about old ass people who need machines

The trick to winning any conversation is framing. Its all a language game. Learn something from your adversaries.

Also not human.

Kike.

Abortion is only murder when it's a white baby.

The trick is not wasting your time arguing with people who agree with you, faggot.

>They aren't even humans yet.
How do you define human? Because they have all the features of humans.

Have a child and tell me that 'clump of cells' isn't important. I spent months trying to get my wife pregnant, praying that there was nothing wrong with either of us, and that we could have healthy children. When I found out she missed her period, we took the test and it was one of the best days of my life. At that time, the baby was no bigger than a pea. Yet it was already the most important thing in my world.

For some, it doesn't even look human so who cares? For others, it embodies all hope for the future. What if we just aborted ALL babies? Since they're just clumps of cells, would you have a problem with that?

nigga you a heartless motherfucker, you think that the only people who are really human are 18-30 y/o people with absolutely no deformities or illnesses and anyone else is just undesirable?

I don't care about babies, let alone fetuses. The number of times I've want to strangle a crying baby far outnumber the times I thought a baby was "precious". Being against abortion is based purely on emotion with no logic or consequences being considered.

If a woman is a degenerate enough to get an abortion, right off the bat you know she'll be a trash single mother and the kid will end up:
>fucking niggers
>addicted to drugs
>on welfare
>posting on Jow Forums

That's the point. I would never have my wife get an abortion because I'm not a degenerate subhuman. If your the type of person who would abort your own kid, you're unfit for parenthood.

They are humans. Killing other human beings is not okay in our society. We should not kill them. Simple as that.

The thing I don't understand is why are people so adamant to oppose it?

The people often getting abortions are people that have no business raising kids in the first place, as they are obviously irresponsible people not using birth control, or too young to be an adequate parent.

Abortion is used in a positive way to save the lives of mothers in complicated births that threaten the mother's life, or in situations in which the baby is genetically deformed or braindead, or miscarriages.

People only care about the baby while it's in the womb. Once it's out, they stop giving a fuck anymore. Remember that women getting abortions are often times not well off financially, and are typically incapable of giving the baby a decent life, let alone giving themselves a decent life.

There's millions of kids waiting to be adopted who are in worse situations. Outlawing abortion would simply add hundreds of thousands of more unwanted kids into this situation that is no good for anyone.
If only Christcucks cared about kids after they were born as much as they claim they care about them in the womb.

men rarely like babies unless it's their own, but saying
>Being against abortion is based purely on emotion with no logic or consequences being considered
is nonsense drivel
you not recognizing any moral prohibition against the murder of other people =/= other people having that same ridiculous failure of thought

>being against murder isn't considering consequences
Give any thought to what a society that doesnt prevent murder would look like?

A fetus is only alive in the same way that grass is technically alive, therefore nothing is wrong with "killing" it

Change my mind

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They aren't human? What do you mean? They're the direct result of the reproductive process of two living, breathing organisms--in this case, human beings.

Look at nature. Any pregnant mammal which gives live birth will fight to the death to protect the unborn child inside it--do you think a pregnant dog would risk dying to protect something that "wasn't even a pitbull yet"?

Explain this to me--at what stage in the process of development does an unborn human become a human in your eyes?

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I wouldn't care if they didn't continue to try to tax me to have me pay for it. Since they want to play that way I'd rather they have to resort to coat hangers in dark alleys, fuck them.

It's not murder. Stop intentionally misframing it. It's preventing the development of a potential human. It can't yet think, experience emotion, or have any kind of ego.

If anti-abortion cucks actually think this is murder, at least put your money where your mouth is and support full veganism to help prevent the murder of actual developed complex organisms.

>The people often getting abortions are people that have no business raising kids in the first place, as they are obviously irresponsible people not using birth control, or too young to be an adequate parent.
There are millions of people the world would be better off without, but it is still morally wrong to kill them.

>Explain this to me--at what stage in the process of development does an unborn human become a human in your eyes?
When it begins to develop an ego at 18 months. Until then there's literally nothing separating it from an animal.

Once the brain is fully formed, until then it has no consciousness or feelings, putting it on a level lower than a fucking jellyfish

Abortion isn't murder though. Are executions murders?

I'm neither pro-life nor pro-abortion. I feel that it's more down to the situation of the parent and if the potential child would have a good quality of life when born.

At what point precisely is it a human then shitstick? Birth? Babies are fucking idiots but sure fine. But if it was human at birth then how much developement really happened a day before birth? A month? 2? Conception is the only logical line in the sand otherwise we have degenerates murdering babies about to be born.

>it's not murder
there is no other way to consistently talk about the intentional killing of other helpless humans - it's murder to slay innocents
they're humans from the MOMENT of conception

>support full veganism
humans aren't animals
except you

>they aren't even humans yet.
>YET
I am sorry you lost me there bud, no seriously, even though I am for abortion when mother's life is in danger or when fetus is still developing, I do not think you have very much choice regarding human life. Of course father himself should be asked for his own opinion because its not just "woman's choice", its a parental decision that needs to be properly discussed. You cant just end someone else's life with no good reason (those reasons being rape, fetus damaging mother's health etc.) and expect everyone to be ok with that.

Also pic unrelated

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absolutely executions are murder - it's the intentional slaying of another person who's not threatening you

Yeah babies are annoying shits when newborn. Later in life they get cute. It’s a bit different for the mother, she’s got an attachment.

That’s why these neocon anti abortion activists are essentially women. Why one would fight to keep his enemies alive is beyond me.

>fully formed brain
>no consciousness
Which part of the brain is the consciousness contained in, user?
>literally nothing separating it from an animal
And that makes it okay to kill because...?

I'd say I'm pro-choice to an extent.

If I want to have a child and it turns out my kid will be mentally retarded and physically fucked, I wouldn't want it. It would be a burden on me, my wife as well as the state. Also, the costs of having a mentally disabled child is horrendous. My cousin has a physically disabled and mentally retarded child and the costs are in the thousands or monthly care/specialists even with government aid.

However, if you wait until the fetus has developed a heart-beat and is healthy, then you don't have a right to touch it. You've made a choice to not use literally dozens of contraception care and now you reap what you sow.

Execution is murder if it's unjust. Hence why we call ISIS "executions" murder. And the holocaust, if you believe in it, are not considered executions because they are unjust. You're killing inocent infants and that's murder, I don't care if an illegitimate state says otherwise

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whoops, meant to tag instead

So what you're saying is it's only murder if our society considers it unjust? Then abortion is objectively not murder.

I dont consider it a human being until the brain is complete, until then its just a clump of unfeeling and unthinking cells, so there is no moral quandary about removing it

You obviously lack empathy and I argue that empathy is a part of being human. Guess I can kill you for conveniance since my definition of human is every bit as logical as your "18 month" bullshit.

>Executions are murder
While that might be true to certain extent, I do not think executions are necessarily connected with murder. And no, the definition of murder is as it follows "the immoral taking of human life" and since most executions are performed on murderers and rapists, well... you get the point.

So you won't care if I step on sea turtle eggs?
They're not even sea turtles yet.

Conspiracy nuts also feel that baby abortion is sacrificial in nature/practice even in a hospital.

>Honestly, make a choice early as soon as you know. Otherwise youre an irresponsible couple of hoes who dont keep track of your sexual habits and should wash your genitals more

>Better Dad than the real Father.

You're a whiny traitorous bitch for promoting the birth of future antifa volunteers.

Not if our society considers it unjust, if it is unjust. Society can decide that grass is red but it will still be green. Slavery, the holocaust, abortion all were and are wrong regardless of how they are/were veiwed by their respective societies.

all intentional taking of human life is immoral
you're not going to see it that way until the end, but that's no one's problem but yours

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>mother's life is in danger or when fetus is still developing
>I do not think you have very much choice regarding human life
>Of course father himself should be asked for his own opinion because its not just "woman's choice"
Who has more skin in the game as far as risks go during the pregnancy
The father or the mother?

Actually your the kike. In Athens, they left weak babies on mountain tops to be eaten by eagles.

>Sure they're technically human but they can't grasp any sense of ego or complex emotions.

Just like niggers

But you have no facts to base that belief on, and if we're just putting unfounded beliefs against one another, we're going to start arguing morality.

Again, what part of the brain is consciousness found in? If consciousness is a function of a fully-formed brain, there must be sections of the brain which correspond to this function. Do you have any scientific proof which sections of the brain control the phenomenon known as consciousness?

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>Slavery, the holocaust, abortion all were and are wrong regardless of how they are/were veiwed by their respective societies.
And who decides that they were unjust then? Clearly the people who carried them out didn't think they were unjust or else they wouldn't have done them. I swear if your answer to this is "God" as if your brand of Christianity is the only true form of morals then I'm out of this thread quicker than when I pulled out of your mom while going raw last night.

They never are when they're black.
KYS

>Who has more skin in the game as far as risks go during the pregnancy
>The father or the mother?
Are you slutshaming, nigger?

According to scientists a fetus starts feeling pain at around 20 weeks of development, so ill use that as the cut off
Before that its fine, after that you can keep it unless there's some other problem like it being a risk to the mothers life

Neither are you.

you'll believe morality is whatever is convenient to you - why try to talk about it at all?
you won't accept anything you don't feel like accepting, because you recognize no grounds for truth claims

fucking relativist scum

But feeling pain isn't consciousness. Mindless animals clearly feel pain, despite apparently lacking what we call consciousness.

Do you actually have any beliefs, or are you just trying to find an acceptable way to say it's okay to kill the unborn?

You're the ones using an appeal to morality to equate abortion with murder. I don't consider abortion to be murder so it aligns perfectly fine with my morals.

Its OK to kill mindless things, like animals, and plantlife is all alive. Babies don't even start to think until about 5 months after birth.
So the 20 week cutoff seems fine

You're right. 20 weeks is too soon. We need to wait until it develops a consciousness months after birth.

First it was consciousness, then it was pain, and now it's thinking?

Yeah, you're just an abortion apologist. Get fucked, paki

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the truely autistic thing is to care about aborted babies more then real humans who exist

As far as I'm concerned, I do. Killing innocent humans is wrong. You can play the whole "who decides that" card if you want, and the truth is that in practice might makes right. Still wrong though.

No because you're a fully developed human already with feelings and thoughts. If it turns out that I'll never wake up, then yes it's fine to kill me if I'm in a coma.

I wasn't the one arguing the point that it's only okay to kill things that don't have consciousness; but you're a shit troll with a shit thread, so I guess I shouldn't expect much.

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Im trying to give you a definite cutoff since you want one. Babies aren't conscious beings until well after birth, but people dont like the thought of killing something cute
So just use the 20 week cutoff as standard, since before that 20 weeks the fetus is literally no different in life function to a tree

>an appeal to morality to equate abortion with murder
murder is literally a moral term

quantum microtubules in the neurons
is that autistic enough for you?
science has already found evidence for the soul, look into it

It’s Unironically based though.

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If you're in a temporary coma is it okay to kill you? Afterall, you can't grasp any sense of ego or complex emotions while you're in a coma.

If your answer is no, how do you justify abortion? Are past experiences what give the life of a human value? If so, does that mean the life of a child is worth significantly less than the life of an adult?

What if you're going to wake up in 18 months and we know that for a fact?

Because when you're in a coma you're still a fully formed human with a much higher brain function than a fetus
A fetus is yet to form, its nothing

>If you're in a temporary coma is it okay to kill you? Afterall, you can't grasp any sense of ego or complex emotions while you're in a coma.
Yes but you're a fully grown adult with relationships and commitments. Context matters.

Beat me to it

no they are human, but well humans are worthless. so idk. also most kileld are niggers

abortion is only a symptom of the problem. this autistic obsession with it is only a distraction from the cause.

if these dummies had a clue they'd know abortion clinics were created for population control and intentionally placed in negroid areas

black fetuses arent human

literally no has an answer for this other than "it upsets muh jewish god"

Sure. For the sake of the argument, what if you don't have any relationships and commitments?

All those potential based MAGApedes brutally murdered. Brings a tear to my eye.

>businesses place their business where demand is highest
Wow. Also negros get abortions because they don't have the capacity for forethought to use contraception. Condoms are the precautionary response to unintentional parenthood. Abortion is the reactionary response.

> MAGApedes.
> Based.
Pick one! Frig off Christcuck, it’s time we thin out these shitskins numbers. In mine craft of course.

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>b-b-but look at this picture of this adorable black fetus you're killing!