Is capitalism flawed?

Is capitalism flawed?

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yes but

Who cares?

Every ideology/system has flaws, no such thing as perfection, the question is how to account and minimize while working within reality.

There is no ultimate solution. All systems are corruptible, because people want things.

Yes

I do. Faggot

I earn more than the average industrial wage and that average industrial wage is higher under capitalism than any other system. Thats all I know.

Depends on how you want to think about it. The success or failure of anything is relative to how you want to define the desired outcome.

I think that, with how awful the world used to be, it has been a general success.

Precisely, still waiting another system that creates more prosperity among more people. Perhaps OP knows of one but he isn't saying.

You mean like every other god damned thing on the planet? Yeah probably.

>Is capitalism flawed?
No...
You people think it is because you don't make the difference between capitalism and corporatism (which is what America mostly has at the moment). Don't blame capitalism itself. It's supposed to be voluntary exchange... Capitalism doesn't involve quantitative easing (i.e. printing money) , corporate & bank bailouts , massive regulations..etc..

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>Every ideology/system has flaws
capitalism isn't an ideology.
Socialism & communsm are though.

Again, Capitalism is the voluntary exchange of goods and services with minimal government interference.

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Of course!
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Capitalism is a Political ideology

>Capitalism is a Political ideology
Nop.

it was based in the free market but poor fags needed that to become the "free" market so they could continue to suck at life.

Capitalism is both an ideology and economic system just like it's mirror Socialism/Marxism. Or do you think Socialism/Marxism is purely economic and things can't have more than one purpose.

yes, but less flawed than any other system we have came up with. much like representative democracy.

real capitalism isn't just like real communism.
too bad the reality is they both end up being two sides of the same jewish coin.

so just eliminate 90% of the population. problem solved

But if it is less flawed, why can't i find a job?

probably because you have no marketable skills, or you aren't really trying.

>Capitalism is both an ideology and economic system just like it's mirror Socialism/Marxism.

You don't need big nanny government to enforce it. Unlike socialism or communism. It's really not complicated and i'm starting to sound like a broken record here.

Capitalism is simply the VOLUNTARY exchange of goods and services with minimal government interference. Nothing else...

Yes it is flawed. It was created by (((them))) after all. Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same jewish coin

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If you think we live in such a system you are just as delusional as the useful idiots who think real communism hasn't been tried, you are describing a state of utopia that has not and will not be achieved.

You fucking faggot, you don't need skills to work a minimum wage job. You really think its rocket science to work in a store or a warehouse or restaurant??

Kys

>capitalism lifted 90% of the population from ignorance
It sure is man!
It's not like its perfect if you curb down monopolies!
We sure need some old commie starvation!!
Now, THAT is not flawed!

Capitalism is welfare for rich Jews. The fact that a relatively small number of goys are able to get rich in the capitalist economy is simply a byproduct. Capitalism is the notion that the bottom half of your race/nation deserves to live insecure shit lives while we send $38,000,000,000 to Israel.

>If you think we live in such a system you are just as delusional as the useful idiots who think real communism hasn't been tried

You should carefully read comments before posting. I already acknowledge that that we don't have capitalism... Mostly CORPORATISM.

Capitalism does not involve:

- a central bank price-fixing interest rates and manipulating assets.
- tens of thousands of pages of federal regulations of everything imaginable.
- onerous taxation on income and investment.
- corporate bailouts.
- QE (counterfeiting).

So we both agree that we DON'T have "capitalism". You don't need big government to enforce it.

And your analogy with communism is flawed.
Because whatever "real communism" is supposed to be. (or whether it has been tried or not)... The huge difference between the two is that communism can't exist without a massive government to enforce it.

Unlike Capitalism.

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Yes, but every other type of government/economy is even more flawed.

The problem is basic human nature. People will generally try to pull their own weight within a group where everybody knows everybody. People generally don't like to let down their family and friends.

But once the group expands to a point where anonymity can be achieved (maybe a few hundred) then everything changes. Now people will generally do the bare minimum to follow the rules and get by.

so then you either aren't really trying or you are such a waste of air that even a restaurant wont hire you. my guess is the former based on the fact that you are posting on a Hungarian recipe trading board instead of looking for a job.

Hijacked by jews.
The monetary system is a scam, usury on the shoulder of the poors.

everything is

Everything is flawed. Capitalism works because it doesn't try to pretend to be perfect. It's a flawed system that can adapt itself to a flawed reality.

(((Capitalism))) is, for sure.

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yes but everything else is worse
until we reach the point where technology becomes advance enough to progress society into post scarcity, our best option is capitalism

Why would i try hard to get a minimum wage job? Whats wrong with your mentality?

it is flawed in the sense that it encourage degeneracy but it is still better that being hungry

Depends on what you mean by flawed.

Terrible example to prove your point considering that Henry Ford made affordable automobiles for the middle class thanks to capitalism. Ford was an entrepreneur & thus a capitalist....He owned factories , was a self made man.

And that quote only works for socialism jewish subversion or corporatism. NOT capitalism.

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>Is capitalism flawed?
Yes, it is. But can you name a better
alternative? And i mean the REAL ONE, not an imaginary paradise utopia...

Capitalism is the best, tested and proven to work system known to humankind.
It's based on sciense and human nature , it continue to grow and improving

yeah you're right, fuck that whole making something of yourself shit. only retards have jobs and make money. bitching about it on the internet makes a lot more sense.

It better than nothing

So you have this vision of capitalism in it's purest form, somehow the entity's you describe do not form either naturally or artificially and under those specific conditions it would be the most perfect system. Thanks for the clarity. Pure utopian delusion that doesn't acknowledge reality, that predatory people and groups wouldn't arise to abuse such a thing to their own ends. Exactly the same as the Commieshits

>voluntary exchange of goods and services
That's the definition of bartering, not capitalism numb nuts.
>Capitalism works
No it doesn't. It collapses every 8 years. They call it "economic cycles." Except nowadays there is no recovery.

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Flawed?
It's downright Jewish

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It can be. The issue I have is with some of the attitudes it promotes and the behavior it can reward.

Or maybe 90 faggots are trying to apply for the same shit minimum wagd job

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Not nearly as much as communism or socialism, but yeah, it ain’t perfect.

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No, capitalism is just an economic system. It can work perfectly well without interference from politics. This is different than socialism/marxism who attempts to some level of social equality.

>and proven to work system known to humankind
It literally doesn't fucking work. The rate of profit is continuously falling and the damn system collapses every 8 years under "economic cycles."
>It's based on sciense
No it isn't, it evolved organically out of the industrial revolution. There were no scientists sitting around who invented capitalism. That's why they call it the "invisible hand" and use nebulous terms as "free market." It's out of anyone's control and is completely chaotic. Which is why you get recessions and depressions.
>human nature
Humans evolved under communal tribes for tens of thousands of years you retard.
>it continue to grow
No, it continues to stagnate because of the falling rate of profit and limitations on investments.
>and improving
Wealth inequality continues to increase.

Shhh, stop talking, adults are speaking. Go back to the kiddie play pen petulant child.

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Nope. capitalism and liberal democracy is the end of history.

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The material world is flawed, so naturally it is.

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There is no perfect organism.

The strength of capitalism is its flexibility and adaptiveness, which can also be a weakness if the system is played by for example cronies. Not that other systems don't have the exact same problem.

I always find it immensely amusing when commies complain about "crony capitalism", when socialism is a nepotist system through and through and that is one of its biggest problems.

>So you have this vision of capitalism in it's purest form, somehow the entity's you describe do not form either naturally or artificially and under those specific conditions it would be the most perfect system. Thanks for the clarity. Pure utopian delusion that doesn't acknowledge reality


I don't know. Maybe my english is too limited to share my opinion but i get the feeling that you're either partially reading my messages or that i'm failing to explain my position on this issue.

There's nothing "utopian" about it. It's not even an ideology. Capitalism is very simply. You don't need a government to enforce it. And you can't force people to participate. Look up the word "voluntary" (i'm not partonizing you).

We obviously don't have capitalism at the moment and the closest thing to capitalism america ever had was i think during president Calvin Coolidge's administration.


> that predatory people and groups wouldn't arise to abuse such a thing to their own ends. Exactly the same as the Commieshits

Right...But how ? Big government. Capitalism can work just fine without it. The "predatory people" or "lobbies" you're talking about can only subvert it with the help of the government.

In today's America you have
a central bank price-fixing interest rates and manipulating assets. (like i said in my previous post)

You also have - massive taxation on income and investment. (you need big government to enforce this, it's not capitalism).

- corporate bailouts....(again, It has NOTHING to do with capitalism itself that these bailouts can only happen with a massive government)

quantitating easing. The VERY OPPOSITE of capitalism. Do you know who loves QE ? People like Paul Krugman, Bernie Sanders, Clinton, Obama, Bush etc... I.e. People who want to increase big government.

In a nutshell, capitalism died ages ago. And though america doesn't have full blown socialism (unlike my country), it has elements of it, mixed with corporatism.

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>The rate of profit is continuously falling and the damn system collapses every 8 years under "economic cycles."

Slowing down isn't really a collapse. What you're talking is more related to human inefficiencies than something inherent to capitalism.

Nepotism exists in capitalism. Look at trumps kids

>quantitating easing.
Quantitative easing

>hur dur, any criticism of capitalism means nobody can trade anything.
this is peak right wing retardation, and I'm not even a leftist.

It exist everywhere. It's hard to stop parents from giving their kids an advantage.

>Nepotism exists in capitalism. Look at trumps kids

Sure and there's nothing fundamentaly wrong with it.
If you create a business. Let's say you're the own of a successful restaurant. It's completely natural to prioritize your own flesh and blood before everyone else. (or your family or friends).

communism is the only way

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>you're the own
the owner

But neoliberalism certainly is and capitalism is its vehicle.

>>hur dur, any criticism of capitalism means nobody can trade anything.
>this is peak right wing retardation, and I'm not even a leftist.

I don't know what you are. But what i do know is that you fail to understand the meaning of capitalism. a voluntary exchage between independant parties. Nothing more, nothing less. No need to be from the right or left to understand this very simple economic concept.

Free trade is the antithesis of Socialism and communism. If someone can trade, it means smart people getting good trades off of stupid people. This results in someone getting richer and someone getting poorer.

>Is capitalism flawed?

Yes. Of course.

Utopia stupid childish idea.

>Slowing down isn't really a collapse
the whole current economic system works under exponential growth thats why they have been artificially quadrupling the money supply every few years since the 2008 collapse.
slowing down is the definition of collapse this is how it begins.
they can keep doing it and hoping everything would be fine until they pass this whole mess to their children.

Die in my deathcamp motherfuckers. Who needs living standards and voluntary win win trades when we can all be equally poor once we have killed all of the useful people

>But neoliberalism certainly is and capitalism is its vehicle.

Nop... Liberals seem to be against voluntarism even when people mind their own business. Prime example of this, Paypal, Patreon... They ban people from their platforms based on their user's political beliefs. (thank god banks aren't doing that yet).

Liberals are big government's best friend. They have no issues with CORPORATISM. There's tons of anti-freedom fascists in google and youtube. (or SJWs if you prefer).

None of that has anything to do with capitalism itself.

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>slowing down is the definition of collapse this is how it begins.

My car slows down at every stoplight. Is this my car collapsing? Slowing down may lead to a collapse, but isn't a collapse itself.

your car isn't manufactured from the ground up to only work under the condition it is accelerating so this analogy is meaningless

>they can keep doing it and hoping everything would be fine until they pass this whole mess to their children.

They already have.

No problem, I probably sound more hostile than I should be french user.

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Nothing is perfect. But capitalism is the closest

T. Has a job

I guess it depends on what you mean by capitalism.
What seems to be a flaw to me is that it disincentivizes the sharing of resources and information, so that you can monetize them through the capitalistic system.
The real world however has self-correcting mechanisms that somewhat alleviate this problem, for example, tolerance of piracy and government expropriation.

I also disagree with the belief that the free-market price is always fair and true because it is 'natural'.

>Is capitalism flawed?
No

That's the dumbest analogy I've ever heard

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fuck off capitalist shills im fucking your daughters while you slave for the system

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What do you do for a living?

Yes you dipshit. It incentivizes crime.

>Capitalism is very simply. You don't need a government to enforce it.

What?

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>based

Yeah, unchecked capitalism becomes globalism and is currently destroying our countries and peoples.
Capitalism is still the best major economic approach, but it needs global rules and restrictions.