So from what i've seen Jow Forums is (at least partially) habitated by right wing extremists, so i've got a question for all the holocaust deniers:
One of the issues that they bring up lately on /b/ is the issue with the wooden gas chamber door, and that there was no way it would hold the poison gas in, so my question is:
Are all suicides by car exhaust part of the jewish conspiracy?
So from what i've seen /lgbt/ is (at least partially) habitated by bugchasing extremists, so i've got a question for all the faggots:
One of the issues that they bring up lately on /gif/ is the issue with the prevalence of faggotry (traps, faggot shit, blacked, etc.) and there seems to be no end in sight, so my question is:
Are all faggots from reddit as gay as OP?
Good job for not adressing the question faggot.
Nice strawman
The gas chambers were built by the Soviets
You're a fag,GTFO Jow Forums. It is spelled "holohoax" btw.
pessach sameach, chaim
Not the question we're arguing about. The question right now is: Does a door need to be air-proof to reasonably suffocate someone or not?
Question:
Is a holohoax denier someone who denies that it is a hoax or someone who denies that holocaust?
So all suicides by car exhaust are faked by the jews, did i get that right?
If they went through all the trouble to build concentration camps and gas chambers. Wouldn't they use fully sealed doors etc. ?
I dont know the strength of Zyklon b but maybe its so potent they would need the doors sealed so as not to infect the guards
I thought they used Zyklon B? Why can't bees even keep the story straight? Next thing you will be telling me about the burning pits they marched people into like Elie Weasel described in Night.
Given from american slang like "didn't do nuffin" - the double negation still stays negative - when coming from a burger.
Initially it was aperrently used, but later switched to zyclon /b/ which works in a similar, but quicker manner.
But in any case it's not the issue, because may it be nitrogen, co2 or (almost) any other type of suffocation it works in a similar manner.
Those are usually done in a closed car garage with no ventilation. The pic you posted reads "Dumbass TRIED to commit suicide"
Holy shit. You guys are such bigots. My grandfather died in a Nazi masturbation rollercoaster you know. They clearly aren't playing enough holocaust movies in public school.
Well from what i've read up delousing would have used about 300 the times the concentration that would be deadly to a human. In such an application higher security measures would have to be taken. But if the goal is to kill a bunch of humans in a very confined space with little to no air circulation such measures wouldn't be necessary. I guess it wouldn't be advisable to stand next to the door, but otherwise it won't pose a problem.
It is a common problem in welding where gasses are used in relatively high concentration to aid the welding process. When doing it inside you have to make sure your welding gasses actually disperse, otherwise they pose a serious security hazard. Once outside with a little bit of wind there is practically no danger.
frankly the wooden doors thing isn’t a strong point, but i havent exactly seen it being pushed apart from some Ay Ton’ memes with paulie
there are plenty of much stronger points, such as the fuel/cremation time argument, typhus, supply line bombings, soviet/ally camp investigation differences, and so on. wooden doors seem like a red herring. mustard gas will kill you fucking dead without needing to be sealed in.
You idiot, it has nothing to do with holding the gas in. The point some people make is that when you cram dozens of people in an overcrowded room (which is what every "historian" says happened) they tend to try to escape, and a flimsy wooden door with a 2 mm thick glass window wouldn't prevent that very well.
>mustard gas will kill you fucking dead without needing to be sealed in.
I think the argument is you need sealed doors so it doesn't kill the guards.
Actually it's a staged photo, but well representative for how it's done. It probably works better with a bit of ductape or really anything stuck in the hole, but it doesn't make it air-tight, does it?
Zyklon B is an inert gas? Jews weren't gassed, but rather suffocated by displacing oxygen in the room? This is equivalent to CO poisoning because Zyklon B and Nitrogen can bind to hemoglobin and reduce the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood?
If only I had realized this sooner I never would have doubted the official narrative.
>Does a door need to be air-proof to reasonably suffocate someone or not?
No. But a suicide victim isn't scrambling for the door in a sheer panic while suffocating. They're usually on board with the whole getting gassed thing.
Are you saying the holocaust was a mass suicide?
Do cars have wooden doors? What the fuck kind of question is this? Are you retarded?
Kike here: stop virtue signalling.
Not sure about the chemical workings, but the process:
1) put people in room
2) fill air with deadly shit
3) wait
4) ???
5) profit
is pretty straight forward, isn't it?
Don't need to be a chemical engineer to understand that.
Who sais there was nothing placed in front of that door?
Who sais that the prisoners weren't told if they weren't gonna let that happen they'll be burned alive?
There's many ways this could have gone.
The mechanism of action makes all the difference in the world.
Probably 20% of Jow Forums denies any jews were gassed at all. A good 80% just believe the number is grossly exaggerated.
How exactly does it change the fact that not enought oxigen is reaching the brain resulting in brain death? (Which is commonly referred to as: suffocation.)
Even mustard gas - which essentially burns the lungs - leads to suffocation.
>obvious troll is obvious
Go to hell bait fag.
Your thread is shit and you should kill yourself.
nytimes.com
I'm not trolling, i want my answers.
So - jews pull off tousands of car suicides each year?
>How exactly does it change the fact that not enought oxigen is reaching the brain resulting in brain death?
Because that is literally not how Zyklon B works. It is a competitive inhibitor for a step in the electron transport chain.
Splendid, so 80% are my target audience.
But - you breathe it in for a while and you die - right?
Why are you comparing the restraints on a room needed to gas someone that is willingly gassing themselves to someone who is being gassed against their will? Can't you see the problems with this? The answer is there you just need to consider each scenario.
Fpbp
other than the issue of restraining a mob of desperate people you have the issue with poison gas leaking out into the area where your guys are positioned.
no but the door has to be made of something other than wood (and not have a fucking window on it) if you expect the people you're gassing to not break it down in about 5 seconds, see how you defend from that one faggot
just think about those Black Friday sales where a mob obliterates steel doors and cages to get into the store. lol
As mentioned there are a variety of ways which don't require a lot of imagination that even a crumbling super thin door would have worked.
It's also only a side issue which actually avoids answering my question.
nobody is going to accept immediate death over a future possible death
I'm sure most guards would prefer to keep their distance if they have the choice.
K, then explain why that entire fort of assads soliders in syria surrendered to isis just to be executed.
good question
so what could they put in front of the door to prevent people from opening it? it would have to weigh quite a bit.
that's literally the opposite of what you said.
It's simple: You tell everyone in there: "You are going to die, that is safe for you. We present you either with a relatively humane death, or you and the other members of your family which are not getting gassed together with you will be burned alive."
I'm sure with a bit of more thinking i could come up with more vicious ways to break someone.
You also don't even consider that the people who were gassed were not fit for force labour anymore. They were weakened, half starved, old and wrecked.
>so what could they put in front of the door to prevent people from opening it?
How about a bunch of sandbags? Fuck it - let prisoners stack them up.
>that's literally the opposite of what you said.
I'm saying in certain situations conditions can arise where death seems like the better option then following your drive to stay alive.
I'm not sure where i contradicted myself.
I'm out. I'm starting to catch the stupid.
you said they would die now rather than die later and your example showed people not choosing immediate death for a later death.
done
Put 300 people in a room with a shitty wooden door and you'll see how easy it is to just kick it down.
None of the “survivors” of multiple gassings ever mention the nazis obstructing the door
But the option to stay to fight until the death would have taken a couple of more days including a day in valhallah.
Instead they got 'el mexican barbar haircut' like a day later.
Nonsequitur, completely different substances
Well on the one hand there were many gas chambers which sometimes may have not featured shitty doors, but fuck it - maybe the door actually withheld for what it was supposed to do? People were half starved, old and almost dead when they were gassed.
Surely 300 barely walking husks can coordinate enought to gather their fleeing strength to break down a wooden door.
How does the substance noteably change the fact that neither the car, nor the gas chamber is, was nor has to be air tight to work?
go read the testimony from the Zundel trials in 85-88. The FULL fucking thing. Until then you can fuck off.
When you execute someone you typically restrain them. This is for a good fucking reason. The idea that the nazis where gasping Jews without them erasing people where going missing from the camps when they went into that room. The questionable part of the wooden door isn't that it would be impractical to gas people(though considering the narrative is the Germans where trying to save resources by using gas, you would think they would design the chamber to require the least gas possible.) but that the gas chamber would need to be secure - in a internment camp like that the prisoners outnumber the guards.
Why do you care about Holocaust deniers? I mean, are there any progressives who don't deny the Holodomor? Are there any Latinos who don't deny acquiring 35 times as many slaves as the evil white man? Are there any blacks who don't deny the million plus Europeans kidnapped into slavery by Africans?
Just saying, what are you actually concerned about, princess?
Well but you make the assumption that the gas was sparse and not available in large quanitites.
Consider that for delousing reasons 300 the amount of a human-deadly dose is needed, and that was done aswell.
I don't think there was a notable shortage of zyklon b.
Understand the holohoax psyop and what jews have done to the West post-WW2.
Read through this thread, it's all there...
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Use this info to redpill others. Redpilling normies is the ONLY battle that matters now. Redpill them and the rest will work itself out.
I like a good argument and i like logic, and since the representatives on /b/ don't appear to have the necessary attentionspan to argue about it i'm here.
>shill flag
Every fucking time, folks
Do you really expect me to read six trillion pages of right wing propaganda when you didn't even bother to TRY to answer my question?
you need to get your head out of your ass and take a look at real life sometime, when people are faced with death or death they usually choose to fight for all they're worth and the amount of people that were supposedly gassed at the same time would only encourage that thanks to mob thinking
now get back to your gender studies and don't talk about subjects you don't know shit about
Explain to me why i'm wrong then.
Then you totally missed my argument
we cant discuss the Zundel Trials until you've read them. But you're still shillin'.
As mentioned somewhere above:
What about the ~ 100 assad soldiers in that encircled fort in syria who surrendered to isis only to be executed shortly after?
Why didn't they fight?
oh by the way you need to make up your mind, were they gassed or burned alive? which is it? also a sad wooden door isn't hermetic so the ones doing the gassing would also suffer from it
>"X" can kill you
>therefore holocaust happened and by "X"
>snu-snu
>tickling
>etc
Why does the exhaust goes to the interior of the car? That's a shitty design choice.
No, i do not need to read any of your sources without you taking the time to summarize them.
You give me a summary of the points you would like to make and add the source, because i can't be bothered to read mein kampf part 1-4 just to keep going with the discussion.
If you would like to make a point make it yourself, underline it with sources if you feel like it, but sources themselves are not arguments.
Exhausts from the car kill only you if you breath it long enough, poison gas in gas chambers kills everyone, so not to kill your own people it highly preferable to have airtight doors. It's common sense.
how is that related in any way? the context in those 2 situations is completely different, the point of surrendering is so that you get better treatment, but obviously their opponents didn't give a shit about that, now with the jews there wasn't any hope of better treatment so they had nothing to lose whatever they did
Well certainly it was within the realm of possibilities that it wasn't particularly healthy to be a guard next to those chambers.
People didn't know or didn't care.
Fpbp /thread
Keeps the car warm and comfy in the winter.
But any poison gas in low enought concentrations ceases to be poisonous, and given that a barely deadly concentration was used in a mostly confined room it is reasonably safe outside.
Possibly not super healthy, but that was the least of the guards problems.
considering the amount of people that supposedly died within those chambers the constant exposure would've caused health issues to whoever was nearby in less than a few days and it wouldn't have gone unnoticed, try harder
ok summation. Guy goes to court because he said "did 6 million die" he gets off because they can't prove him wrong.
guy goes to court again. the "eye witnesses" refuse to show up because of perjury and they got BTFO so hard the first time.... Leading holocaust specialists get BTFO. Gas chambers get BTFO. Death Camps get BTFO. At the end he is convicted because the jury is instructed to view the holocaust as something everybody knows happened. Such as the sky being blue.
Not because anybody proved it actually happened.
There you go.
Isis was known for being particularly cruel - they were known for executing people in spectacular videos for people in chinese basket weaving forums to watch.
My assumption is that they were pressured using their families. Something along the lines: "If you keep fighting we will identify every one of you and exterminate your entire families all over syria."
Possibly many of them had their families in isis controlled terretory in that general area, so they chose death over fighting.
That depends so incredibly much on how close the guards were standing there, how much they were rotated, and how much air circulation was there - all of things we can not know.
Try harder yourself.
>issues they bring up on /b/
How many sosigs did you have to weed through to find such threads user?
you're making way more assumptions than I am here
Ok, thanks for the summary, but as i suspected it does not touch the issue we're talking about.
straight up denial now? guess we're done
wow.... just fucking wow
Well wouldn't it be reasonable to say that suffocation is plausible if the amount of gas introduced is greater than the escaped amount.
>My grandfather died in a Nazi masturbation rollercoaster you know.
Undermensch post
retard, why ask a question when you have no idea what you are talking about? dumb fuck
So you're saying it's kinda likely that nazi guards were staying really close to the gas chamber where they could hear the screams of the gassed and smell a little bit of that good ol' poison shit - which they are in fact very aware of.
Fuck no, anyone in their right minds would get the fuck away as far as possible and stay out of the wind coming from there.
And thus - anyone in their right minds would have received much heavier mental then physical damage (and possibly request to be sent to the front lines to die).
I guess so - i didn't read a thing about doors.
why did i reply to a meme flaggot
This is why you don't reply to meme flaggots Jow Forums
>it was the most lethal poison gas!
>but wooden doors...
>it was the most lethal poison gas in barely deadly concentration!
[citation needed]
there is an entire section of both trials devoted to "gas chambers" their use and construction.
This
Meh - any source i could bring up would be jewish media anyways.