How could mars ever be colonized, if there is no oil?

its called pulp cable your Neanderthals how do you think we used electrical wires before plastic

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skin could be a flexible and usefull insulator

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>inb4 abiotic oil retards arrive

and how would you lube any geared machine?

spit on it? use human lard/fat/excrement ?

We don't need plastics pendejo.

Vegetable oil

>THIS IS NOW AN /ETM/ THREAD

The true future of the European is to be out there amongst the stars, and how are we going to achieve that future ? There are obviously a number of things that must happen here on earth which will contribute towards a total victory but no matter what, we must ensure that /ourguys/ (that's you, Jow Forums) make it to Mars and are on the red planet from the very beginning.

Welcome to the Earth To Mars General.
This thread is dedicated to the discussion of creating a European Colony on Mars, not by direct funding, but through the commercial emigration scheme that will eventually come into play.

At the moment /etm/ is normally posted once a week every saturday around 10pm UK time and is a place on Jow Forums to speak about all things space related. Please try to ignore the flat-earth fags.

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Plenty of carbon to make the polymers yourself.

Grow hemp or corn or some crop or microbe that makes oil and use the oil to make the plastics

welcome to the thread

now back to the subject

OIL
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Can we do stuff without it?

Are there any legits alternatives?

Is there a plausible way of creating Oil?

Is there any legit study that shows that there is 0.000000% oil in mars? Or is NASA only sending robots for shits and giggles?

Can't they fucking send a robot that inspects for oil?

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>The earth is literally a paradise in the solar system, where each other planet is a different flavor of hell
>Gee guys, our place is in space!
Remember to bring Jews and Shitskins when you get cucked out to your space cuckshed

We’ll drill it from asteroids idiot.

>Can't they fucking send a robot that inspects for oil?
Shouldn't an American be asking that?

>what is a logistical supply chain that will provide life support until Martian life supports itself

>We need oil to make plastic
Ethylene derived from natural gas has been used for a long time to do this.

extension.psu.edu/how-plastic-is-made-from-natural-gas

There's also PLA-plastics which use corn starch or sugar, which are what most biodegradable plastics are.

With enough energy we can synthesize petrochemicals on Mars as-needed. The main constituent elements of hydrocarbons (Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Carbon) are all readily available on Mars. It's just a matter of having the power and the chemical catalysts to make what you want.
Like everything on Mars, you'll initially need to start with hardware and other supplies sent from Earth. Once you have enough of an industrial base and a big enough power grid though, it should be possible to fabricate replacement hardware without needing shipments from Earth.

It really looks like they prefer living with you, Italy.

Everything in the future will be solid state. No moving parts.

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>Stellaris

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but even synthethising an oil substitute, would need chemicals for it to work

there is no solid state technology that eats CO2 and outputs oil

so everything will be wireless?

no power sockets on any wall

>Are there any legits alternatives?
ceramics/metals for the hard stuff, plant products for the rest

mepag.jpl.nasa.gov/reports/Mars_Water_ISRU_Study.pdf

Here. Knock yourself out. What you are discussing is called In-Situ Resource Utilization or ISRU. We've know how to do what you are asking since at least the 80's.

cnbc.com/2018/06/07/carbon-engineering-and-harvard-find-way-to-convert-co2-to-gasoline.html

even this type of conversion needs more chemicals, which "I belive" are not studied if there are available on mars

>Water
this is an oil discussion thread

newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6970
Here's a topic specifically on polymers that could be made on Mars.

>sedentary

water is no-brainer since it can be recycled and purified from human waste

Scroll further down. Its a complete plan including making water and air.

excuse myself, I am mexican, I didn't read shit

let me check the article

cnbc.com/2018/06/07/carbon-engineering-and-harvard-find-way-to-convert-co2-to-gasoline.html

If all this is true, then how come the US-ARMY is not investing in THIS fucking technology, instead of stocking millions of barrels of oil

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve_(United_States)

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There is, but it makes gas above even European prices. That's not much of a problem though because we're not trying to make gasoline because that would be pretty useless on Mars. We're trying to make plastics, and you can get a long way with just CO2 and Water as inputs.
Fortunately Mars also has a lot of Chlorine in its soil, so making materials like PVC is possible.

Wholly synthetic oil, not utilizing a petroleum base, is possible. Ditto for plastics which can be made many ways. It's just cheaper and easier to utilize petroleum as it's readily available on earth. As others have pointed out, the main issue will be energy production to power the chemical catalysts and everything else supported for life.

Solar is possible, but the dust there is going to be a constant problem. Best and easiest option would simply be a nuclear reactor.

PVC

Poly-vinyl

Vinyl

No, excuse me, I accidentally posted the wrong link, searching for it now.

Chemical Formula: C2H3Cl
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_chloride
The Vinyl group is the C2H3 part of that compound, and the Poly part implies it's several chains of vinyl groups connected to each other.

>interesting read
French 3D-printing company Fabulous has brought together a team of scientists and architects to imagine a bubble-shaped habitat for Mars that can be printed on the red planet.The Sfero house features an internal and external dome, with a protective pocket of water between the two. A single corridor rests on the planet's surface and allows access to the interior, which would have an upper and lower level linked by a spiral staircase.The house would start off as a central drilling rod that burrows several metres into the planet's soil to extend two robotic arms, which would harvest materials to be used for 3D-printing the habitat's internal and external dome-shaped shells.The spherical shape has been designed to offer high resistance to Mars' low atmospheric density.The design aims to use the red planet's abundance of iron oxide – discovered in dust samples and rocks brought back by NASA's Pathfinder rovers – which would form the raw material for 3D printing. The powdered iron particles would then be fused together by laser, and the levels of the habitat printed layer by layer.
The arms would also seek out permafrost – soil that has been at or below freezing for at least two years – to be melted and used as a 30-centimetre-wide water pocket in between the two shells to protect against solar radiation.
Fabulous founder Arnault Coulet believes the water layer could be a "permanent psychological reminder of the main element of the mother planet – water constituting a sort of protective amniotic fluid for humans."

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Gates is also funding some interesting stuff via Terra -- they were working on a travelling wave reactor which utilizes depleted uranium (basically, waste product) as its primary fuel.

Plus there was something relatively recently regarding both molten chloride-cooled and fueled reactors.

Right, can't find the link, so I am just posting the basic gist.

Ethylene is easy to produce its lower energy than producing other plastics. The process is rather easy (not that different from making methane for the sebatier reaction - slightly different temperatures, pressures, and a different catalyst).

Ethylene itself is just C2H4. It is interesting because you can use it to make Benzene and toluene and such, which will be important as inputs to make other plastics like acrylics. But if you have to make the ethylene anyway, why not just skip all the other steps and just polymerize it.

There are situations where is is the wrong plastic for the job. But more often than not, you could just double the thickness and still save energy.

Of course, it isn't a magic bullet. For greenhouse glass, in particular, it will be exposed to sunlight and thus UV. There are plastic additives that reduce UV degradation. They are usually added in amounts less than 2% of the mass of plastic. So if polyethylene is manufactured as a plastic, UV additives will probably (initially) be shipped from earth for any plastic with surface exposure. Note that these complex additives will be needed pretty much regardless of the plastic chosen.

There's more that you can do with Diels-Alder reactions which are common cyclization reaction, wherein a diene (molecule with two double bonds) reacts with an alkene to form a ring. The simplest Diels-Alder reaction is between 1,3-butadiene and ethylene, forming cyclohexene. These reactions can also build more complex polymers. Combining 2,4-hexadiene with ethylene to form a product that can be dehydrogenated to form p-xylene, a precursor to PET. PET is the most common polyester, which is used in plastic bottles, clothing, mylar, and more.

You don't need oil to make plastics. Oil is just cheap here.

What about natural rubber. Rubber trees didn't get their name because they have weird fetishes.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hevea_brasiliensis