Hey, I'm realizing being trans is pretty stupid and I want to talk about it with you, try and see if I can actually let go of the past or if I'm going to hang on to it the first chance I get, and also if I can spread the light in this cursed place. For context, I'm AMAB, thought I was MtF, and as I got in contact with religion I realized the unsurmountable pointlessness of transitioning.
To sum things up, you transition because you're uncomfortable with the gender role society forces on you. I think this looks the most fragile part of my point, but I think it's a pretty undeniable statement if you understand that the social constructs your mind is overflowing are part of society. But why would you go as far as altering your body and psyche just so people force a role you feel like fits your identity better on you? If you let people get to know you, every gender-based cliche they were forcing on you will go away, and all that will be left is your identity, no matter how feminine or masculine it is. And obviously, if you're transitioning for the way strangers feel about you, what you need to fix is your social anxiety, not your body.
My life is full of examples but the best one is my parents. As I make the effort of fixing my relationship with them, slowly, they are starting to let me bond more closely with my friends, grow my hair out and to respect my sensibility. Yet they still call me he, and I am comfortable with that, because even though they call me he, they don't treat me like a man, but rather like myself, with no regards for my pronouns. They also still ask me to carry heavy stuff around. I used to be very uncomfortable with that, but now I do it because I think I have to do what I can for my family because that's good, and I'm realizing I can carry whatever needs to be carried without my identity being altered.
TL;DR: Neither my pronouns nor my body are part of my identity, so what in the world could be the point of transitioning?
if you transition you will never pass. You will lock yourself away in your home and become more and more bitter and delusional as you desperately try to convince yourself that you look like a woman. Your only friends, and I use that word very lightly, will be fellow castrated men who will also be suffering the same regret and mental anguish over their poorly thought out decision. The entirety of your "friendship" will be mutual reassurance that you didn't make a mistake and discussing how to make other people fuck up as bad as you did so you won't be alone in your misery. But you will be alone, even around other people. Always alone in your head, always suspicious of what others really think about you, always knowing the truth that they are only humoring you out of pity. Despised by all, hideous, a freak. Incapable of having love, a family, or genuine human connections. Slowly slowly slowly your grip on reality will slip away until, on the rare moment you are forced to confront it, it will be such a shock to you such a painful reminder of what you actually are that the intrusive thoughts will highjack your every waking moment.
Lincoln Johnson
kys faggot kike nigger
Samuel Rodriguez
Just stop being gay also shouldn't this be in /lgbt/?
fucking kill yourself you delusional faggot. Literally no one cares about your faggotry in here and irl
David Rivera
You suffer from the NPC illness: you care about what other people think (this includes both 10000 genders gay commies and boomer christians). Most people 99% of the time are full of shit and even worse, they know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about you.
>inb4 reddit spacing There isn't a point to transition user. All of your reasoning is solid. You are you. The mass amount of unhappiness people have in regard to "gender" is social/gender roles. Gender roles ARE a social construct but biological sex is not. You don't even need religion to see this.
I'm going to assume you've consumed a lot of porn and I think that's a big part behind what's fueling this shit, at least for MTFs. That shit isn't good for anyone frankly. Consider cutting porn out and lowering how often you jerk off to one or twice weekly. It would be interesting to see if this effects your desire to transition.
The actual consequences of transitioning is worrying. No one yet knows what this shit is going to do to trans people. FTMs are already starting to report they experience severe uterus pain a few years after going on test. I don't know what will happen to MTFs. No one knows what will - time will need to pass before enough medical problems crop up so that people can ascertain the full fallout of transitioning.
The blunt reality is that you will never be female and will likely never pass or not for long. Your >walking gait >height >size/length of feet >size/length of hands >index finger to ring finger digit ratio >width of shoulders >narrowness of hips >sex chromosomes will never change. No matter how much money, surgery, training or concealment you use, these things cannot be changed.
Being female is not a feeling, it is not playing coy, it is not being cute, it is not pink, it is not makeup. It's a biological, physical and bodily reality for half of the planet. Pretending their reality is yours is bizarre.
Lastly, what I never understood is the lack of true acceptance among the LGB(TQ). It sounds to me like you're a quiet, gentle, shy, non-competitive man. What I never see is people accepting that they're like that. It's apparently more OK to larp as the opposite sex than it is to be just who you are.
Isaac Green
Holy shit I could only go 20 seconds in. Somewhere in my brain that video will remain forever. Like a fucking scar
Traditional: >Boys and men are male. They should/must wear pants, like blue and play with cars. Girls and women are female. They should/must wear skirts, like pink and play with dolls. Your biology must influence your personality.
Progressive: >If you are drawn to wearing pants, blue and cars, you are male. If you are drawn to wearing skirts, pink and dolls, you are female. Your personality must influence your biology.
Both are stupid. You are not Danielle because you want to wear dresses, be "soft" and delicate, and live a dainty life. You are Daniel, the man who wants to wear clothes coded for women and has a non-acceptable personality for his sex according to most of society.
IMO, Daniel should be "allowed" to be a "soft" man who wears dresses instead of pretending to be something he is not or taking hormones to grow male breasts.
If you can pass go for it maybe? I knew from a young age I'd never pass so I decided not to do anything about it. Wanting to be a woman never goes away but at least I'm not a freak I guess.
Jack Gomez
Addendum - please read some gender critical feminists. They dont hate trans people. They hate the bullshit construct of gender. You have a sex and a sexuality and you have a personality made up of masculine and feminine traits. Gender is the greatest jewish trick. We do not have an innate gender. There is 0 scientific evidence to support the notion you can be born in the wrong body, despite the clickbait headlines you've read. Dont buy into it. Move love to you, dyphoranon. Please find a mental health professional who isnt afraid to treat you properly instead of just "affirming"
Jason Moore
>TL;DR: Neither my pronouns nor my body are part of my identity Just remember user, you dont "have a body". You "are a body". Every bit of it is you. Dont mutilate or change it with hormones. Nature knows what it is doing. Work on the actual causes of your dysphoria. Transition is NOT the best pathway. They've just bullied the medical industry into disallowing any other treatment other than affirmation and treatment. The declassification of GD (GID) as a disorder in the DSM was not a scientific decision, it was a political one done by vote after extensive lobbying by the immensely powerful trans lobby.
Nicholas Myers
Imagine the smell.
Joshua Williams
What the fuck is he pulling out?
Daniel Cook
>so what in the world could be the point of transitioning? Absolutely nothing rational.
But people whose emotional state exceeds their ability to rationally restrain it do irrational things.
(Sometimes those things are called "falling in love" and met with general approval, other times they're called "chopping one's dick off" and widely seen by rational people without an interest in destroying society as a cry for help.)
Henry Adams
>To sum things up, you transition because you're uncomfortable with the gender role society forces on you. incorrect, you want to transition because your brain's reward system tells you to. Take some dopamine blockers, maybe that will help you stop this desire to transition. Men want to have sex with women, addicts want to do heroin, and trans want to transition into men, all because of this reward system phenomena.
Matthew Morales
>going to Jow Forums of all places to deal with gender dysphoria If you are effeminate and want to be treated that way just act normal and be around people who can accept that. I don't quite understand what you're saying though.
Hopefully you read this instead of all the other crap. Jow Forums will start posting anti-tranny shit even though you've said that transitioning is pointless for you.
Levi Wilson
Gauze that was in there to stop it healing itself closed. Sexual reassignment surgery is fucking barbaric and largely fails. You'll notice theres very few studies on how often they fail and the constant pain people are often in afterwards. They disallow all research now that doesnt go along with the transition narrative. It's absolutely fucked. I wish people wouldn't do this to themselves. To any people who identify as trans reading this, please dont ever get surgery.
The only answer is do whatever you want. If that means LARPing as a girl or pony or whatever then do it, nobody gives a fuck. Just don't try to claim pseudoscience about gender, take responsibility for yourself that since you plan on LARPing F/T out of the bedroom, some people may not accept your lifestyle so deal with it and move on, don't try to scam tax money for plastic surgery claiming nonsense gender myths and don't try and force everybody to pander to your fetish. Nobody cares how you choose to live your life
Hudson Anderson
Probably medical wound packing gauze, it keeps the wound filled and soaks up fluids.
Aiden Jones
>Neither my pronouns nor my body are part of my identity, so what in the world could be the point of transitioning? This is actually a really good point.
I'm trans and pretty spiritual/religious myself but not a particular religion. Feel free not to transition really. I'm kinda in too deep to turn back now, although I could if I wanted. I just prefer being integrated into the female social role. It's not just the one sided 'dislike being a male' but also 'like being a female'. After a while it sort of fades into the background of life. No worries either way though. Just act according to how you feel.
Daniel Carter
"Transitioning" is simply an extreme form of self-harm (e.g., "cutting") that has been weaponized by Zionists to destroy society.
Kevin Sanders
Spaghetti mostly, it's used in an earlier part of the surgery.
Ryder Collins
I'm glad you woke up. Keep going down this path. It leads to inner peace.
Mason Bell
/thred
Justin Powell
lmfao don't be a tranny. your feet will never look or smell feminine (neither will your face or body, but even hot traps are cursed with man feet).
It's also an affront to God.
Caleb Ramirez
You're not in too deep as long as you haven't castrated yourself yet. You can still turn back and have a somewhat normal life. People get well from mental problems all the time, you can too.
Kevin Martin
A shame that Jow Forums is so brainwashed that they can't even read a single post through I think this is a good post and your TL;DR part asks a very important question. I think it would be more beneficial to teach people that accepting your body and being is better idea than using potentially dangerous hormones and going through surgeries. If you feel like that acting in a more "feminine" way is more natural to you, then do it. But do you really need to cut off your dick just because of it?
Landon Sanders
>even hot traps are cursed with man feet. >It's also an affront to God god could give them better feet if it's an affront to god
Luke Davis
It feels fine nowadays and I have a nice life the way things are now. Also being trans gives you some unique and interesting perspectives on life and the world. Of course its not for everyone though.
Brayden Powell
a tranny who don't take hormones usually will be very sorry about it later
Nicholas Lewis
>so many buzzwords in one thread Fuck my intelligent response, i'm out you fucking jargon spewing faggots Motherfuckers probably never got into a single fight or played a sport.
Isaiah Sullivan
Hey user I am a detransitioned ex FTM. Please look at 4thwavenow and Transgendertrend. >Yet they still call me he, and I am comfortable with that, because even though they call me he, they don't treat me like a man, but rather like myself, with no regards for my pronouns. >They also still ask me to carry heavy stuff around. I used to be very uncomfortable with that, but now I do it because I think I have to do what I can for my family because that's good, and I'm realizing I can carry whatever needs to be carried without my identity being altered. What "transgender" individuals really desire is to be seen as themselves without all of the baggage that comes with gender roles and sex roles. No matter what, transitioning adds different difficulties due to managing medicine and the side effects of HRT or surgery. Put your own difficulties in perspective and organize some pros and cons. I'm sure you will come to the conclusion that transitioning is more trouble than accepting oneself and making peace with the desire for the body of the opposite sex. Additionally, my boyfriend is ex mtf and very happy now that he has desisted. He has come to the same conclusions you have and also realized how much of his distress came from fearing being an ugly and old man. Take it slow user. Detransitioning is equally as slow and sometimes equally as hard as the initial transition (even social transition). I can send you more resources but you should be able to maybe find other ex mtf's that can relate to you and give advice. Sorry to shill for reddit but I know the people that run r/detrans and it is a good space for venting and talking to other similar minded people. I also recommend spending less time online if you feel you are having trouble being critical of what you read concerning transgender topics. Similarly, try to do things with your body like manual physical labour (gardening, animal care, hiking, etc.) to reconnect more with you body.
Luis Sanders
Jow Forums
Joseph Gray
A shame that you sorry excuses for vikings are so busy sucking social justice dick you can't bother to notice at the "1 post by this ID" marker
Aiden Lee
Yes. I think it's also important to teach people that it's not uncommon for teenagers to have some confusion about their sexual nature as they grow. For most people this ends with just some philosophical ponderings, but for some impressionable people it can spiral into a more deepset confusion. The problem is when people make all the crazy notions in society today as part of their identity. When I was young there was this girl who wanted to be tomboy type for a year or so, and I think her parents handled it pretty well, they were patient but very consistent in what is reality or not. Then she grew into being comfortable with her sex, which is something you must do to be a happy person in this world, because it can't change. Today of course, she would have found tumblr and be well on her way to cut off her tits and sterilize herself. It's really crazy and sick.
Like finnbro says, if you want to be an effeminate, just be an effeminate. If you think you have "gender dysphoria" that you can't get well from, that's just some bullshit you've been told by people who don't know what they're talking about. People have mental issues all the time and they get well from them all the time. You can too.
You will never pass anyways, so there is only pain and sadness down that path.
William Price
>To sum things up, you transition because you're uncomfortable with the gender role society forces on you While I detest the tranny community, I will offer some empathy for your plight. Your problem is that you're letting society shape your mental wellness rather than shaping society to objective truth and your own goals. If you read one thing, read Meditations by Marcus Aeurelius. Don't just skim through it, read it piece by piece and absorb the wisdom in that book. It will assist you to find your center as a man and not let the psychological slings and arrows of the enemy trying to destroy your mental health and spirit break you. It should be mandatory reading for all young men in public education but the leftist feminization agenda stops and hides classic literature like that all the time. It stands the test of times even 1,000 years later. It's also a short read but it will explain the world to you and how you have the strength in yourself to walk a righteous path through the evils beset on every side of you. It's the best thing next to the Holy Bible that will replenish your spirit and clear your mind of all the evil trying to overtake you in this perilous world. Give that one book a chance and I can guarantee it will change your entire worldview for the better. Best of luck friend. It's only 3.99 on amazon or you can check it out for free from your local library.
Glad to hear it. Just leave your genitalia alone. Nothing good will come from destroying them. Good luck.
Parker Adams
Helpful and well said. Good luck to both of you in your journey of healing.
Tyler Peterson
That's an interesting way to put it user. I think there's truth to what you say. Gender pronouns are generalizations to describe someone (specially someone you don't know) quickly based on a set of physical traits. When people get to really know you, they stop seeing you as a set of physical traits and they start experiencing your individuality, which the most special aspect of yourself. I wish you the best OP, I hope you restore the relationship with your family and friends 100%. Also, don't be afraid to recognize when you need help to defeat the social anxiety, and ask for it.
Robert Foster
Why are trannies so stupid? Just because you feel more in tune with the feminine does not make you a female.
Perhaps you were gifted a male body so you start exploring masculinity more.
Personally I am a male who felt far more in tune with the feminine my whole life, but growing up a male has allowed me to experience masculine energy and having both the soul of male and female within is a power, I see them both as a lens you can view life through and unless you have both you don't see the clear picture.
>Daniel should be "allowed" to be a "soft" man who wears dresses yikes thats actually way more cringy than being a tranny you should just euthanize your soft wannabe tranny men
Leo Gray
Congrats to you and your bf on your detransition. Much love to you both. Bumping for importance of 4thwavenow and other such resources. Getting out of the cultish community is the biggest and hardest step for a lot of trans people, because community and a sense of belonging drives a lot of people to gender identity and the trans cult.
Parker Martin
Fuck off. There's nothing wrong with being a feminine man or a masculine woman. Regressive gender-role-enforcing thinking like yours is why we have this trans shit.
There is no point in transitioning. You'll get elective surgery because you think change is from the outside in and not vice versa, then the thrill will wear off and you'll be the same person you were before, but now you've mutilated yourself for nothing and you'll be reminded of that fact every day for the rest of your life, which will probably be short since you took the most drastic steps you could to change yourself and nothing actually changed and now you're mutilated, in pain, and stuck using drugs every day just to keep up the facade. You're on to something: you are you. Come to accept that, and it won't matter to you what other people think.
Caleb Torres
>You're on to something: you are you. Come to accept that, and it won't matter to you what other people think An essential truth for everyone.
Dont worry op, i thought i was trans when i was 16 but i came to the realization that it doesnt matter. Once you get over that the dysphoria goes away
I actually almost started taking hrt. Kinda scary when i think about it. I probably would of ended up killing myself.
Ryder Kelly
Hell is not forever. The people that go to hell will eventually get out and get saved. 1 Corinthians 3:15
Mathew 5:26 Jesus says hell is finite and you will gry out when you finish paying.
Matthew 18:34-35. Jesus again says you will get out when you finish paying for your sins.
Mark 9:47-50. Jesus is talking about hell and says everyone will experience the fires of hell, and that it is good. Not only that but Jesus is quoting Isaiah 66:24. And Isaiah 66:24 literally says that the people that go to hell will literally die and be turned to ash.
Malachi 4:1-3. The last chapter of the old testament says that the people that go to hell will die and turn to ash.
Satan Dies! Satan is killed and turned to ash by the fires if hell in Ezekial 28:18-19.
Here's the thing OP. After going to hell and dying again, eventually at a later date God abolishes death(he litterally kills death) and all the dead people rise up again (if they are still dead then death cannot die) And God will be all in all. 1 cor 15:25-28.
Jesus is the savior of all men and especially of those that believe 1 Tim 4:9-11.
Everyone who inherits original sin because of Adam will be raised up to life because of Jesus. 1 Cor 15:22
The death of Jesus justified all mankind. Roman's 5:18.
Why the fuck did you think we would try to help you?
What went through your mind?
Kill yourself, do yourself a favor of not having to go through agonizing years.
Sebastian Scott
Kys tranny
Julian Reyes
Whoa this is one of the best behaved threads I've seen on Jow Forums in a while
Ryder King
piqueresproject.com/ Hey OP please also read about these rad detransitioners Be you. Fuck gender boxes. You're more complex than a stupid gender label.
Jason Phillips
Kys faggot
Jeremiah Jackson
>Whoa this is one of the best behaved threads I've seen on Jow Forums in a while And then all the trannies left to some new tranny thread. I swear, these people crave abuse. Which is ironic in a way, seeing how that's a somewhat feminine trait.
David White
Thanks user. It really is a cult and I hope people begin to see this more easily.
Jack Jackson
If you don't want to fill a role, just don't do it. You don't need to take hormones or chop your dick off to tell people to fuck off and mind their own business. Why does any of this have to do with your "perceived gender"? People will always force their expectations on you, and you will on them as well. It's your responsibility to decide how much you're willing to cater to others.
Joseph White
I once felt as you do. Then my brother came out. A year has gone by and I'm more opposed to it than ever. It would help if he weren't so selfish and unlikable these days. But the thing that really gets me is he's breaking my mother's heart. She desperately wants to help her son and he is refusing and acting like he knows better, yet still living under her roof and using her insurance to pay for hormone therapy. He is a socially and hygienically gross person that doesn't come close to passing. I used to love him and now I cope by pretending he is dead. I'm a grown ass man and his childhood pictures make me cry.
James Lewis
Hi user please direct your mom to 4thwavenow and Transgendertrend. There are many families in similar situations who need each other now more than ever. Best of luck to your family and especially your mom. I hope your brother comes back.
Aaron Hall
You can have a dick and like taking dick in your ass. It’s good to know a discord tranny is possibly being converted. You’ll be transitioning, just not the way your friends want you to. As for gender roles. Too bad, suck it up. You don’t have to be some super manly man, but why be confined to what a hateful society thinks you ought to be? You’re a dude, everyone will know you’re a dude, and you’re expendable whether you like it or not. Don’t be such a self loathing homosexual. If you’re a fruit you’re a fruit, get over it
Easton Scott
You will also lose your ability to orgasm and have a normal sex life.
You will be replacing your body's natural ability to produce life-sustaining hormones with artificially-supplied hormones, making you a permanent medical patient.
None of these things will directly address the problem(s) which put you in that doctor's office in the first place and will offer absolutely no long-term benefits.
The indices for suicide in the trans community are the same before and after transitioning.
These people are absolutely adamant that this process be promoted to and supplied to children. Transgenderism is a death cult that recruits children.
Nathan Jones
Get some REAL problems in life, first-world scum.
Isaiah Foster
>Yet they still call me he, and I am comfortable with that, because even though they call me he, they don't treat me like a man, but rather like myself, with no regards for my pronouns. They also still ask me to carry heavy stuff around. I used to be very uncomfortable with that You sound deranged. Hopefully you haven't started taking hormones because by that point it's very hard to fix yourself and almost everyone that goes down that road is reprobate. You're still viewing the world through the lens of feminist and trans critical theory. This is going to destroy you if you don't adopt a worldview that's in line with reality.
Pic related. There's absolutely nothing good that comes from being a faggot, a tranny, a non binary, a whatever the fuck you want to call yourself. It is one of the most self destructive lifestyles you can choose to live and the fact that it's pushed as a good thing by the media, politicians, academia, etc tells you these people are your enemies.
everybody knows though that most of ftm are trenders, it's different with mtf
Michael Wright
literally this OP should get gassed
Jonathan King
Congrats OP you realized the underlying fallacy of the “identity” of a trans person inherently being a relation of how other people see gender roles : how they understand gender roles
And it has nothing to do with their absolute being, since they can only chase after an approximation of what they think others think is a type of person
Tyler Campbell
Thanks. I actually deleted one of my testicles but I decided to leave the remaining one in case I wanna detransition and to produce a little bit of testosterone (female range instead of castrate range) in the meantime.
Angel Williams
post boobs
Jaxon Edwards
OP if this isn’t fake or a troll post the only people whoever even consider going trans to begin with are completely mentally broken and not capable of making any well thought out decisions so anything you will come up with always be faulty to a huge degree.
Normal people don’t go and mutilate their genitals and spend thousands on horrible surgeries and hormones because they do not come up with insane ideas like the stupid shit you posted about societies “gender roles”. People like you are no different than Chris chan where you have some mental deficiency that keeps you from ever being grounded in reality and what is actually going on in your life.
Cooper Smith
This is very true. Contemplate what this user has said. Even if you have dysphoria transitioning is not the answer.
Tyler Lee
Why would a tranny cut their dick off, you realize most straight guys want to fuck your asshole if they wanted to fuck a tranny at all.
I don’t think a real tranny would come looking for advice on pol
John Cox
Yeah idk I’ve been on hormones for five years, felt this way since I was a kid and pol is starting to convince me otherwise. I’ve never been interested in getting bottom surgery so I’m starting to think what’s even the point? Im thinking about talking to my doctor about stopping hormones for a while but I’m not sure if I will end up regretting it or not. It’s a really mindfuck and I try not to think about it too much but browsing pol I’m inevitably confronted by it.
Juan Walker
Is the TERF-Discord tranny shadow war on Jow Forums real?
This reads like the same sort of essay a "gender critical feminist" would write about.
> you transition because you're uncomfortable with the gender role society forces on you Then aren't you just confirming that gender role by switching gender? I've never understood this about you people, seems like a major contradiction. Gender is a social contruct but you still need to fuck up your genitals and become "female"? Why not just act the way you're comfortable with if it's just about the role?
Kevin Bell
It's embarrassing to talk about but Jow Forums did help me be honest with myself. I faced criticism for my actions and transgender ideology for the first time in my life. I'm not joking. It's shameful to realize you and the people who support you could be misguided or lying. Additionally, refer to my earlier post Canada user. There are resources out there for people who are questioning detransitioning. I post about this often because I know that other people probably want to see other options to deal with dysphoria. Canada user, it is up to you to make that decision. Being confronted with the issues you have with the concept of transitioning in your situation will continue until you assess these fears, doubts, and worries. I know going off hormones works for some people and I know people who wen't off hormones for other reasons (health, economic, etc.) and then went back on hormones during a more stable time.
Parker Gomez
>For context, I'm AMAB
I have no idea what your fucked up anonyms mean and I'm not going to learn to humor you. This isn't political, it's a shitty blog post. There's a LGBT board you absolute faggot, go use it please.
