Hmmm.... really makes you think

>when you get so lost in ideology that you ignore objective parameters that show that Americans pay the most per capita for healthcare, but receive subpar medical care

>High living standards will create the same weak men that have allowed this shit show of open borders, feminist thinking and degeneracy we have now in the Western world.
Proof?
You have none?
Are you the kind of idiot that think we have to all be poor slaves or else we'll all turn beta?
God damn you're a retard.

>I guess you haven't heard about agenda 21/2030 for global sustainability yet
I have.

>You don't get to decide the borders, the global elites do.
I don't support these statist global elites.
Why are you making retarded arguments about irrelevant things when we are talking about the viability of free markets?

>which capitalism loves
Capitalism isn't a living being. what the fuck lol

>Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin.
No they're not and you've read into too many retarded neetsoc memes

>Can’t read it stupid bitch. I don’t like Anarcropocapitalistals. They are lawless snake-oil salesmen. Go pay taxes and take your vacuum cleaners with yah their crap!
>no argument

lol you faggots actually want to be poor lol

>when you're too fucking retarded to actually read the image
You're exactly like the brainlets on the right side, holy shit.

>that show that Americans pay the most per capita for healthcare
WOW REALLY, IT'S ALMOST AS IF THE IMAGE STATED THAT OR SOMETHING

Also, you literally have states like France, Germany or UK or Sweden or...which spend LESS per capita but recieve better care.

So you literally have PRACTICAL evidence which system works better.
But yeah like your prophet Mises said, "fuck reality lmao".

An entertainer of old revealed his recipe for success. There is one born every minute.

>So you literally have PRACTICAL evidence which system works better.
Yes, a system of free markets, which is cheaper and of higher quality.

Not only that but Switzerland has a privatized system, they have cheap healthcare with NONE of the waiting lines that exist in those socialist healthcare countries.
Problem?

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SeeSocialized healthcare systems are empirically superior.

>But yeah like your prophet Mises said, "fuck reality lmao".
Mises actually studied and understood logic and reality, it's you brainlets that deny it.

>Socialized healthcare systems are empirically superior.
see:
and also see:
and realize your reading comprehension skills are so poor that you should be killed

> want to be poor?

AMERICA LIKE ALL OTHER COUNTRIES ARE PARTIALLY SOCIALISTIC, and also LAWS ARE GOOD ASSHOLE, just look at a lawless place like Jow Forums, imagine it as a country. Exactly.

COPE MOAR

also are you defending the NHS and calling it better care than even america's shit system?
OH NO NO NO NO NO
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

I just treaded all over you by-the-by.

>AMERICA LIKE ALL OTHER COUNTRIES ARE PARTIALLY SOCIALISTIC
Yes, this is one of the main reasons people there are poor.
This and central banking.

>LAWS ARE GOOD ASSHOLE
I agree.

You actually do want to be poor though.

>Autistic lolbert reeeeing and calling people retards because capitalism is the big gay
Take your meme flag off, if not I'm just going to assume you're a (((shill))) who is trying to keep the goyim busy with muh free markets and promises of higher standards of living while selling out the country to third worlders.

Switzerland is on 20th place according to WHO.
France is 1st.

>thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

Swiss spend MOST per capita.

>data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.PC.CD?year_high_desc=true

>le capitalism is open immigration because muh neetsocs said so
lmao

Why did the USA which had a white nationalist immigration policy and a free market economic policy result in whites having the highest living standards in the world until the kikes took it over in 1913 with central banking?

Why did it last this long and was this successful?

>Switzerland is on 20th place according to WHO.
Literally who?

>Swiss spend MOST per capita.
They really don't. Their currency is the most powerful in the world so it looks like they spend a lot more than they do, ALSO government involvement in their healthcare system is why it costs a bit more than other countries.
Also they have no waiting lines, france has fucking TONS of waiting lines.

Either way you're a brainwashed moron and cannot debunk anything in the OP.

>objective numbers don't matter, what matters is my bullshit snake-oil "logical" product in a simplified societal model I constructed

Yeah no.
Socialized healthcare is simply better as demonstrated by objective parameters.
In principle, I agree with free market, in general experience has shown too that free market functions optimally when it's under government oversight.

Take off the meme flag

Spending is in international US dollars.
>literally who
The most important authority in terms of healthcare. Far more qualified to talk about this.
Also, you really sound like a cultist.

>I'm too retarded to actually come up with an argument so I must strawman

Austrians use objective numbers all of the time.
Rothbard extensively used them while researching economic history.

>Yeah no.
Yeah yeah, you're just mad because you're wrong lol.

>Socialized healthcare is simply better
Better than what?
America's current system?
The entire point of this thread is to point out how expensive America's system is and WHY it is so expensive.
You've made 5 posts so far and were too stupid to even read the fucking OP.
I mean how fucking dumb do you have to be to argue against a strawman like that?

Healthcare in the united states used to be extremely cheap before the government took it over, I showed you fucking evidence here:

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Whites do better than shitskins under ANY kind of government/economic system, but yes free markets are more efficient, more equitable, and lead to more wealth for everyone.

>Spending is in international US dollars.
Yes, but it still looks like everything in swiss costs more because it does if you're using US dollars.

>Also, you really sound like a cultist.
You advocate for a violent takeover of healthcare.
You literally are a cultist lol

>The most important authority in terms of healthcare.
They're a massive joke lol

I'm giving you objective numbers you fucking idiot. Spending vs. quality of healthcare.
Since those who spend MOST have LESS regulation and private healthcare, while those who spend LESS have BETTER socialized healthcare, your "logical" conclusion is that less regulation of this area is better?
And why are you so fucking rude? You called me a retard like 10 times.
You sound like a fucking kid who just read about libertarianism so now you virtue signal in spite of the fact that reality shits on your idea.

I don't understand your argument. This is the price in Swiss francs converted to international dollar.
This is the objective per capita cost of Swiss healthcare.
>they're a massive joke
Fantastic argument.

>I'm giving you objective numbers you fucking idiot. Spending vs. quality of healthcare.
Yes and you're comparing these countries to the USA which is a strawman.
For the millionth time, have an actual fucking argument or close the tab.

>Since those who spend MOST have LESS regulation and private healthcare
America's healthcare system is the most regulated in the world.
If this were the 50s, the american healthcare system would be the cheapest and the highest quality because the government was much less involved.

>You called me a retard like 10 times.
Because you ARE a retard, you're arguing against a strawman and didn't even read the OP image or even understand it.
Just fucking die you people are destroying humanity.

>in spite of the fact that reality shits on your idea.
You seem like a 13 year old leftist that is getting super upset his "MUH MERICA HAS FREE MARKET HEATHCARE" narrative is being taken away.

I agree on both parts, I honestly don't have an issue with some aspects of capitalism on a local level, ultimately the taxes on it used to better the entire Nation, but when shills like meme flag op just completely go off on "muh based capitalism n free markets" something is up. Bad faith actor who is shilling for the sake of shilling.

France and NHS has waiting lines and their healthcare is shit.
Switzerland doesn't have waiting lines.

Everyone in Switzerland can afford healthcare even though it's a bit more expensive. Your healthcare isn't rationed there.

I'd like to see this WHO report because these (((UN))) organizations tend to be kiked and lie about this shit.

>America's healthcare system is the most regulated in the world.

So, America, which has private healthcare, somehow has a more regulated healthcare system than countries with socialized healthcare?
What does "regulated" even mean to you?

>france is le number one
>data from the year 2000

thelocal.fr/20171017/france-health-just-how-healthy-is-the-french-health-system

>waiting lines means your healthcare is shit
That's not how it works.
Even here in Montenegro you simply schedule and appointment and at the very worst you wait like half an hour to meet a specialist.
General doctor is even more available.
And we spend shit on healthcare.

>So, America, which has private healthcare
Why are you focusing on this one fucking variable as if this is that fucking simple?
If the government got out of the way, healthcare would be much cheaper.
I showed you evidence of this: Also why are countries with universal healthcare that allow private doctors to be paid by the government like Germany and Japan a million times better than the NHS UK which has a complete pile of shit healthcare system with rationing?

>>waiting lines means your healthcare is shit
>That's not how it works.
It's one aspect of it, yes.
Rationing reduces the quality of a healthcare system.

Also in speaking in terms of actual quality. America far outranks everyone else.
People come from all over the world to USA's healthcare system because they have the best doctors and hospitals.

Data from 2000 is still better than no data you're providing.

There's other studies too.
>iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/where-is-your-country-global-ranking-nations-healthcare-systems/

Your only argument so far is WWWAITING LINES, as if waiting for an appointment with a specialist in NON-URGENT situation is that relevant for the quality of health service.
You don't really understand, if the medical condtion is urgent, you don't wait at all.

>no data you're providing.
see thelocal.fr/20171017/france-health-just-how-healthy-is-the-french-health-system

There are many problems with this WHO report.
Also doctors go on strike all the time in france too.

It doesn't matter though because you're still arguing against a strawman.

>NHS is shit
I have no idea how you concluded that. What data are you using?
Again, you make claims with zero backing.
Provide evidence of your claims. I provided at least some for mine.
You just hypothesize how things SHOULD work, but you don't have any evidence for that.

>doctors go on strike
So what?
>strawman
Cost vs. effectiveness is not strawman.

>I have no idea how you concluded that. What data are you using?
Everyone knows how bad the NHS is.

nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/uk-national-health-service.html

>Again, you make claims with zero backing.
Canadians are literally leaving their country to go to the usa to pay to get treated.
ctvnews.ca/health/63-000-canadians-left-the-country-for-medical-treatment-last-year-fraser-institute-1.3486635

Why do you keep arguing against a strawman though?

>everyone knows
Okay.

>So what?
so the system is broken and people are upset

>Cost vs. effectiveness is not strawman.
No, but comparing the american healthcare system to anything else is a strawman.

Why don't you want to actually argue about what the main fucking point of this thread is instead of your side issue?

then I posted a link to support why I said that, stupid

1) why would you want to buy healthcare in another state when everything is out of Network?

2) medication that is low risk is OTC, what you want to buy OXYCODONE will no RX?

3)what's called oversight, to make sure the company is fiscally sound so it can actually deliver the services it's taking money for.

4) translation you want a mob doctor who is actually a butcher but hey he knows how to cut meat but hey free markets right?

5)unions bad only people don't have the right to band together for negotiations right? Nurses pay isn't a driver of healthcare costs

6)true we need to end the patent system

7)every developed nation's has something like the FDA, yes I am highly critical of how it works but not the fact it exists

8) yeah no faggot, good luck shopping around for a Dr when your bleeding out in a ambulance

9) medical records are pretty damn important, having to manually code each thing for reimbursement isnt

Free markets don't work if the other option is death

lol....your country has negro in its name.

OP in a nutshell

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>1) why would you want to buy healthcare in another state when everything is out of Network?
because it's cheaper
>2) medication that is low risk is OTC, what you want to buy OXYCODONE will no RX?
because it's cheaper
>3)what's called oversight, to make sure the company is fiscally sound so it can actually deliver the services it's taking money for.
People can decide this for themselves, companies that fuck people over can get sued and go bankrupt.
>4) translation you want a mob doctor who is actually a butcher but hey he knows how to cut meat but hey free markets right?
Not really but you're a retard if you think you need 15 years of medical school to hand out some antibiotics
>5)unions bad only people don't have the right to band together for negotiations right? Nurses pay isn't a driver of healthcare costs
They do, but the government shouldn't give unions the right to disrupt the company in any way
>yes I am highly critical of how it works but not the fact it exists
It needs to be abolished, it has killed more people than it has saved
fdareview.org/
>8) yeah no faggot, good luck shopping around for a Dr when your bleeding out in a ambulance
>muh amberlamps meme
the vast majority of personal healthcare decisions are not made while you're bleeding out in an ambulance
You're just against competition.

lol but that's exactly what people that believe USA is a free market in healthcare are doing

They make you argue within their retarded framework.

It doesn't have to be a free market to be exploited by corporations in ways that no other countries allow. I could tell you more, but first you should ask your doctor if Quadrocephalamux is right for you

capitalism is actually communism...motherfucker how much lead did you eat as a child?

oh wow engines increased productivity jeeez. Why have wages been flat across the west since the introduction of automation and computers?

>free
>unfree
why are burgers so fucking basic. What does this even mean?

>It doesn't have to be a free market to be exploited by corporations in ways that no other countries allow.
The entire point of my thread is to point out exactly how corporations are screwing us you fucking idiot.

>oh wow engines increased productivity jeeez.
No, allowing businesses to thrive and actually mass produce engines increased productivity

>Why have wages been flat across the west since the introduction of automation and computers?
Central fucking banking.
Which you support because you are a corporate bootlicker.

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>What does this even mean?

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It's not cheaper if everything is out of network

Good luck suing a bankrupted company well you can sue them you'll get shit, so now your left with not healthcare and no money to buy the healthcare

Yep I agree an intelligent person should be able to get antibiotics without a RX, I do because I sadly get ear infections anytime I go above 5000 feet or swim in fresh water, it's just due to a previous injury so I get them easily but yeah I just have them on hand for when I get it and know the round 500mg 2x a day for 7 days. The point is most people are fucking retarded, I'd be okay if their retarded didn't impact me but they do and it leads to superbugs

>Good luck suing a bankrupted company well you can sue them you'll get shit, so now your left with not healthcare and no money to buy the healthcare
this is another problem of the government, you should be able to sue everyone anywhere

And you can't shop around for healthcare it's impossible,

Hospitals can't tell you how much a MRI costs, let alone how much a laceration 15cm that's 1 cm deep on your left forearm will cost to stitch up.

Don't get me wrong the system is fucked, and I don't see state healthcare for everyone the solution.

We need to remove the problems of anti-competive actions such as patents and healthcare providers intentionally setting up oligopolies

Again you can sue anyone, it doesn't mean you'll get anything back from a company in chapter 7 because there is nothing to get.

Unsecured debt is the last in line to get money.

>And you can't shop around for healthcare it's impossible,
yet people managed to do it all of the fucking time in the 50s and 60s in usa
hmmm.....

>Hospitals can't tell you how much a MRI costs
That's the fucking problem
if it was a free market they would and the cost would radically come down