"bro just use re-usable bags and ban plastic straws that will save the environment"

>or don't do anything like every asshole human

What exactly have you done that benefits the environment?

Nothing can stop Bagger 288
We've created something far too powerful

every industrialized country is to blame

powerfully sitting in a field rusting

>mongoloid explains the world

Except these 2 are the worst offenders by a far stretch

The plastic ones are pretty efficient because they're made of nothing and most people (atleast in aus) reuse them as bin liners. Denmark did a holistic study on it and ended up keeping them as they were the best option iirc

The point was that the production of those cotton bags has such a high impact on the environment that it would have to be used to an absurdly high degree (to the extent that it likely would not even remain intact long enough), for it to provide any benefit whatsoever to simply using a plastic bag.

Explain why hes wrong

>stop having kids
>recycle
>go vegan
>give up your cars
>wow all first world nations have a birth rate lower than death rate
>....
>....
>we need more immigrants!

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Has suddenly everyone forgotten about evolution? Species will adapt.

Should probably just ban the chinese.

Chinas gonna get their shit smashed when they try something

evolution is too slow for most species

What would a zoomer version of Koyaanisqatsi look like?

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10 minutes of research would quickly disprove it all, not my job to spoonfeed you facts you choose to remain ignorant of

Got nothing huh

youtube.com/watch?v=azEvfD4C6ow

We need some kind of catastrophic depopulation. Something like a super potent airborne Ebola would be a godsend.

I know. Those who do prevail thrn flourish in diversity filling up the empty spaces.

>The planet will be fully destroyed in 200 years
goes to show how powerful was Frieza since he could do it in only 5 minutes

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haha o wow

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If those 20 or so odd people that own 99.76% of all wealth on this spinning disk are fine with it, so am I.

Also they import dirty littering foreigners that undermine the country’s ability to be clean and do great projects

not the guy you're responding to, but I know plenty of economists who are liberal that don't fit his description at all. his premise is based on caricature rather than reality.

Every other country is only down in pollution metrics because they import from those 2, if other countries had to produce the stuff they import from China or India they'd be just as bad relatively

my local recycling plant just admitted what everyone already knew that nothing gets recycled (besides metal) because it's too expensive. everything goes in the landfill and always has

Literally look up the cause of the housing crisis to find a litany of credible arguments disproving that stupidity.
But you won't cause you're a troll and this is what Jow Forums is now about, pretending to be a retard conservative

>we have to stop climate change bro
>I fucking love science bro

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capitalism ROCKS

Every billionaire on earth is funding their own private space race

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China and India should be wiped from earth. India twice because of the poo.

/tv/ truly is /b/ at this point, isn't it?

My strong suspicion is we get the world we deserve
I for one welcome human extinction

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Reminder that it's 100 companies owned by less than 1% of the world's population that causes 90% of the pollution and that the increasing rate of algae blooms, mass droughts and sapping of soil minerals and nutriets are going to result in a lot more immediate and sudden ecological crisis under their policies because the boomer owners know that they'll be dead of old age before it hits

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??? Do you think im a conservative? The user is referring to classical liberalism, not the burger definition of what liberal

>now

One of the core assumptions of liberalism is the rationality and agency of the individual.

So kids who are born with aids in third world countries deserved it?

those issues are only inherent to capitalism in so much as individuals are bound to make the decisions which trigger those issues.

>For example, the 2008 crash and subsequent depression is blamed on "bad bankers". When crises are simply inherent to capitalism.

But is was bad bankers. The abolishment of glass-steagall, and the securitization of bad housing loans is what led to the crash. Both of these were the result of "bad bankers"

luckily, academics and professionals are capable of nuance and there's a decades old branch of liberal economists who accept behavioral finance/economics.

have you even take intermediate macro yet?

Yes, but what hes saying is, in such system "banks gonna bank" sooner or later. So more more "bad bankers" will keep popping up

Reminder that more than half of the money in the world simply does not exist
It is money based on speculation that has nothing to do with liquid assets, production, employee count or anything "real" and is instead based on the perception that someone has money that is actually credit based on the creditor having the money to back that line of credit dozens of times and that the threat of the Yellow Vests pulling their money from the banks was the first real tangible threat to this literal religious system that is continuing the consolidation of wealth, the destruction of the environment and violent corporate imperialism all over the world

Makes more sense, appreciate it.

Jow Forumsequesting anons drawing of this pic from memory, it always put a smile on my face

liberal economics blames exogeneities for crises, and implies that the problems of the world are simply one of incentive. For instance, the GFC was an intersection of many different types of individual (mortgage brokers, investors, investment bankers, etc) who, by their individual actions caused the GFC.

The implication is that crises are caused by bad actors, moral hazard, bad incentive structures, rather than crises simply being the inevitable consequence of the contradictions within capitalism itself.

Climate change is a great example. If firms simply "internalise their costs" though carbon taxes, they will have the incentive to reduce negative externality of pollution, so we are told.

The problem with all of the above is that the emergent crises of capitalism, are consequences of the very profit-maximising premise of capitalism itself. So that simply appealing to that premise can never offer any real solutions to the crises. We can only every manage the problems. Liberal economics is never about eliminating boom/bust cycles, but trying to reduce their amplitude though monetary policy... Again, no structural change, simply a management of the problem.

The only way to actually resolve these crises is by appealing to something outside of capitalism itself. Capitalism and its ideology (liberalism) is unequipped to resolve the problems it creates.

t. ameriburger

We're all the Demiurges torture toys.

Human impact on climate change is a spook. You don't affect anything. If you really really feel guilty about using resources and producing waste, you could kill yourself. That makes you very eco-friendly. That reduces your impact.

i would really like for us to be more closer to our natural roots

but on the other hand i love motorsport

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Just cut the platitudes and admit you're a commie.

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You mean biding his time and gathering power until his time to destroy all of creation has come

i love the narrative that global warming and pollution is my fault and not the massive corporations dumping shit into the oceans and making all that plastic

daily reminder he was right about everything

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Did you copypasta Zizek?

>chong chong ding dong china do no wrong

Maybe you should take your own advice and kill yourself.

Is it true I should invest in water?

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The contradiction of climate change is that capitalist firms seek profit though destroying the very planet they need to generate profit.

Similar to how the capitalist maximises profit by lowering wages, and yet by doing so they lower the economy's purchasing power, lowering their sales and so profits.

Capitalism requires constant change to survive, and so it destorys all social relations it comes into contact with; it destroys patriarchal relations, religious, and political ones; and yet for it to even exist it must preserve the relation between the capitalist and worker. Capitalism is both hyperprogressive and hyperreactionary.

etc

etc

BAGGER 288

Things are gonna fall apart very quickly when crops don't grow anymore.

People have been predicting the "death of humanity in the next 10 years" since the 60's now.

Libya under Gaddafi's quasi-socialism
>less poverty than the US
>better education than the US
>subsidized small businesses and internal economies
>less homelessness than the US
>considered nationalizing their oil
>Obama/Hillary collapse the nation

Venezuela
>better education than the US
>less homelessness than the US
>better literacy rate than the US
>better healthcare than the US
>better food distribution than the US
>suddenly over the course of a couple years develops into a "crisis point" which will "require" the US taking active military [we've already done economic] action against the government in order to "liberate" the people

>What exactly have you done that benefits the environment?
I have not fathered more humans and never will

More like 2000 years

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

Meanwhile the right sits in a burning room and pretends that nothing is happening.

>a little bit of trash lays around at some corner of the world
>OH NOES HUMANITY IS DOOMED!
you are a fucking moron if you think this has any influence on our lifes

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I can't wait for corn in my state to either stop growing or the government stops subsidizing it to 500% its real price so I can harvest the farmers' land and make a cheapo house

I'd rather suffer.... I'd rather let 1/3 of the world be displaced... rather let billions starve in famines... I'd rather let the world itself burn to a crisp! than support a small change in economic production.. becasue gommunism!

t. sane man not at all deluded with ideology

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Got to start somewhere, and there are some people who has pointed out that fishing equipment and microplastics are a far bigger problem then straws and bags.

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>better education than the US
they just give away university titles, dont ever go to a venezuelan doctor, there is a great chance that he dont know how to cure you.

adn you really fall for the meme of venezuelan propaganda, you really like fascism

Tell me why is there a need for the future generations to be saved? They are literally just potential people. Present people are more important, aren't they?

Not him but Japan has a huge problem right now in terms of what to do with their plastic recyclables. They used to just ship them to china but even china at this point cant find any use for bottles and whatnot, so into the landfill they go.

Anyone who thinks throwing your plastic bottle into the recycling bin helps is ill informed.

>capitalism

>I lack the fundamental human desire for our progeny to prosper
To the gulag with you.

Leftists:
>1% of the world population shouldn't own and control all the wealth
Conservatives:
>The 1% own all the world's wealth and that's a good thing
Liberals:
>Fifty! Percent! Of! The! One! Percent! Should! Be! Women!

They're alive right now. Kids you idiot.

Should I be a vegan too?

They aren't "made of nothing" though. They're generally made from non-renewable, harmful resources and an unfathomable amount of them are produced continuously, every day. They're going to end up burned or in landfill, so filling them with trash beforehand is hardly an impressive ecological offering. So long as the status quo is upheld, the impetus to improve is deferred. Biodegradable, non-synthetic plastic alternatives already exist and are in use moderately, but they're progress is buried beneath the systems already in place, enabled by the sloth of the everyman; by removing the abundance of plastic carrier bags, we create room for those just as competent, yet renewable, alternatives.

Just for the record, I think it's quite blatantly not nearly enough to just get a tote bag and stop using disposable straws. The back-patting of people who helm these myopic crusades are seriously damaging to any attempt to get out from the under the environment arrears we find ourselves in, often doing more damage than good by placating people.

Biodegradability, recyclability and being a switch from non-renewable to renewable resources are three easy to see benefits, all while doing the same job; generally, any movement toward removal of superfluous plastics is surely positive.

LOL nice estimates. Scientists long since predicted we have 30-60 years left actually. If you're young enough, you'll get to see it with front row seats!

>imagine unironically believing the environment would be better off in a soviet-style communist society
I'll extend you an olive branch and say that you're right in a sense that there wouldn't be billions of people to starve since most of them would've already died by purges or by forced labour.

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You're an idiot if you thinks he's talking about just trash and not pollution.

Interesting concept. Im not sure it challenges the critique that these problems are structural and something solved by replacing certainl individuals? As to your second quest im not american so different uni system

>you really like fascism
>when the opposition are literally a fascist wannabe dictator who wants to (with the cooperation of western governments and their corporate masters) to overthrow and suspend the democratic process in his country and install himself as dictator supreme
>user was a fetus during the iraq war and didn't watch the exact same propaganda process unfold under the corporate media and cia think-tanks
It's literally a narrative of the upper class media shills shifting the blame from the corporate oligarchs and capitalism to the populace
Even if half the world went vegetarian right now it wouldn't affect over 2/3rds of the pollution generated by 100 companies

wouldn't the carbon tax affect the polluting companies mostly? these companies can either pay the fines, which should then go to funding sustainable alternatives, or dodge the costs by improving their processes.
while i agree that big companies are at fault, these companies exist because we the consumers allow them to live by buying their products. if we reduce our consumption, there'll be a decrease in output from companies. for long, we've had a linear economy focused on growth, but that practice is not sustainable, and we'll notice soon that trying to grow continually, we'll collapse.
everyone becomes a victim from climate change so everyone should take some form of responsibility in it.
i think that some people hyperbolate the effects of climate change (e.g. we'll die in 12 years), but to ignore CM as a whole is really dumb. the proponents of CM are pushing things that are common sense like using cleaner forms of energy, switching to a linear economy and reducing our waste and consumption.

A silly assumption that's disproved daily.

Based anti-natalist
but it's not like there was any chance of that happening even if you wanted it to

Why do people still believe in this "climate change will kill us" meme when the biggest environmental hazard we're about to face is the overpopulation in Africa?