Do you think we had civilization before Christianity, user? If you call "cool architecture and shiny armor" civilization and completely ignore human values and relations, then sure. Lets run a quick summary of what Europe was like before Christianity. >widespread orgie rituals >paying to watch dudes have sexual intercourse with animals and boys in a fucking theatre, (no, im not shitting you). >overrliance on slavery >human (even child) sacrificials for their messed up gods >selling white women as sex-slaves to foreigners >multiple wives per man >threll-orgies >gladiator games >wife trading >homsexuality >selling family into brothels (because fuck family values, right) >pederasty widespread everywhere >decimation >religious sex parties and fertility festivals >cross-dressing >public pornography >infantcide rituals I could go on and on.. All these degenerate rituals and practices was rapidly abolished or greatly reduced by Christians, thanks to the moral system of Christianity.
Isnt it strange how all of this degenerate filth slowly comes crawling back as Christianity loses influence?
Sure, you can probably cherry pick some examples of some Christians, some place, some time in history being degenerate as well but this was almost always condemned by fellow Christians and the Bible. In pagan europe all of this was literally common practices that no one gave two fucks about.
>paying to watch dudes have sexual intercourse with animals and boys
...errrr that's islam ahmed
Ryder Hill
sadly, this was a common practice in pagan rome (that also somewhat spread to germania). It was heavily influenced by the greeks. Bestiality also became common, and although bestiality was particularly widespread among the shepherds, Roman women were also known to keep snakes for sexual purposes
Elijah Young
Meanwhile in real life Islamic nations apply death penalty for pedophilia and zoophilia
Chase Evans
Kek The Frenchie speaks out as
David Miller
>Kek kys
Gabriel Cooper
It's 2019. Anybody who doesn't realize this either hasn't been paying attention(and intend to keep it that way), or otherwise made up their minds about being a degenerate.
>common practice You're talking out of your arse, and don't even have Varg's lovable eccentricity to make up for it.
Ethan Sanchez
Like your pic on the right, oh wait...
Bentley Rodriguez
Yeah they kill the child or animal that was raped
Angel Brooks
a lot of that is total nonsense, some of it isn't even negative, most of it happened under christianity as well, and no one culture at one point in time had all of that
>turn the other cheek those catholic priests really take the one to heart lmao
theaters featuring bestiality and homosexual intercourse was very common, yes. Women using snakes as sex toys was also common. see for example: Dearest Pet On Bestiality, by Midas Dekkers
Ryan Myers
as the followers of christianity fall, degenerates rise. You'd think this would be obvious.
Nolan Turner
>The pursuit of beauty and the obsession with the masculine ideal led to the widespread practice of pederasty—a sexual relationship between an adult man and an adolescent boy. This had been a common feature of the Greek world and was adapted by the Romans
>a lot of that is total nonsense which of it? >it happened under christianity as well somewhat early on, but Christians eventually reduced it to pebble or completely abolished it as it was completely incompatible with Christianity >no one culture at one point in time had all of that the romans and the greeks had pretty much all of it, except child sacrificials and selling white women to foreign men, which was more of a northern pagan thing
I don't fully disagree with you, but are these degenerate things you reference an example of pagan culture itself or is this just an example of a degenerate and declining culture?
For example, we have all that degeneracy now in what is still officially a christian era
Who's to say that the pagan justifications for degeneracy that we sometimes encounter now were not perversions of an earlier more perfect theology? Similar to, but more extreme than, protestants being super degenerate compared to Catholics
many of the rituals and degenerate practices I listed was directly the product of ancient paganism (such as sacrificials, religious sex parties, fertility festivals, infantcide etc.) but the mere fact that paganism (unlike Christianity), as a belief system had literally no moral compass in terms of human values to condemn the other rituals/practices I listed should tell you what you need to know anyway.. >all that degeneracy now in what is still officially a christian era all this degeneracy that is now crawling back again thanks to the fact that Christianity is losing influence. and all of the degeneracy is also clearly condemned whithin Christianity/The Bible.
Dylan Murphy
>nordic retarded and degenerate autism = the rest of pagan europe
Bollocks. the Roman Empire collapsed with help from Christianity. Once you believe we’re all gods children your society is fucked.
After that Christians had to insert pagan symbols, build churches on pagan worship sites and applying to pagan lifestyle to Catholicism.
The family unit is not a Christian creation but a pagan one. Europeans had to survive in rough climate, so the best way to survive was to stay together as a family, not by the word of a (let’s face it) foreign god.
> the Roman Empire collapsed with help from Christianity. this is a pretty sad mut-tier take coming from a brit. Rome fell due gigantic invasions of barbarian tribes that had literally raided their infrastructure from the early AD century. Rome fell due to economic troubles that had been around since BC. Oppressive taxation and inflation had widened the gap between rich and poor. Rome fell due to extremely needless overexpansions to places with no real value, whilst getting fucked in the ass by their fellow pagans in the north who continued to raid and plunder their inner cities. Rome struggled to marshal enough troops and resources to defend its frontiers from local rebellions and outside attacks, and whenever they got the message and managed to put together a force strong enough to fight them off, they were already gone. And then the process rinsed and repeated. Which was the reason for the splitting. Rome fell due to extreme Government corruption and political instability which they had struggled with since forever. Rome fell due to the arrival of the Huns and the migration of the Barbarian tribes, as the roman empire was always very diverse and accepted both multiculturalism AND multiracialism (B..B..BuT I tHoUgHt PaGaNs WeRe PrO-wHiTe). But yes, of course it was the book telling them how to behave like civilized people that was the reason for the fall. Rome was receding for a long time, and ironically Constantine (the Christian) was the one who restored its original borders and re-established a power structure capable of defending itself in Eastern Rome. Also: many neo-kikes try to argue that Christianity first only spread amongst the poor. Actually the opposite is true. Christianity spread first among the elite Romans in Europe, not "slaves" as the un-researched meme has it. Source: How the West Won by Dr. Rodney Stark (2014).
Ethan Garcia
>The family unit is not a Christian creation but a pagan one that would depend on where in europe you mean. Very few fundamentals of virtually any pagan religion in europe was "pro-family"(so give some citations on that), and as I literally just stated in the main post they had extremely degenerate rituals and practices which was anything but "pro-family" in the name of their pagan gods.
Anthony Wood
well put user, Christianity has been the best thing to ever happen to whites.
Hudson Ross
I agree, but you cannot deny appliement of Christianity to abandon the roman pagan tradition as many people saw it collapse because corrupt government. >the roman empire was always very diverse and accepted both multiculturalism AND multiracialism No, no it wasn’t. That’s like saying the British empire was multicultural and multiracial because it had India and Africa in its empire. Britian, like Rome (until the invasion) was the for the most part ethnically clean. How else can it function?
Christianity has be exploited, all the good parts are really pagan (family unit, holidays, preserving nature, nationhood, blood and soil etc).
Lmao. You really wanna go there with rituals and Christianity? The fact is the pagans that done that abandoned reason, so they didn’t survive long anyway, but Christians who do them rituals get away with it and continue to do it.
Zachary Ramirez
I think you can see what Europe is like without Christianity in its current state
Lucas Bailey
>Christianity has been the best thing to ever happen to whites. You mean niggers? Niggers love Christianity more then whites.
Aaron Reyes
Yes. Civilization existed before christianity. You idiot.
Nathaniel Hill
>yeeeessss good goyim >pagans do rituals and shit >let us into Rome >here, look at this new book >it totally won’t accleerate the collapse of this empire
It would be meaner and less cucked without that equality horseshit christianity promotes.
Elijah Howard
Fuck your kike god christfag.
Jeremiah Murphy
>that pic-related couldnt expect much from someone like varg though.. "Hate" is the translated greek word of "miseo" which means "to love less". And its teaching that youre supposed to put God above everything, (even yourself). "Family" is used as an example because family and God are almost equally important in the Bible and its used as an example to showcase the potential cost of following Jesus (your family may disown you etc.). osv.com/RSS/365DaysToMercy/TabId/2752/ArtMID/21013/ArticleID/16464/Understanding-Luke-1426.aspx The Bible mentions family almost more than God.. and the reason God and family is being compared to each other is because theyre almost equally important. the Bible is more pro-family than virtually anything else 1 Timothy 5:8 "Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." is just one of a thousand such verses biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/family-bible-verses/
>No, no it wasn’t. That’s like saying the British empire was multicultural and multiracial because it had India and Africa in its empire. Not even close, yes, yes it was. It was easy for virtually any shitskin to live in the roman empire. they accepted migration from virtually any foreign tribe and culture and race. the mass migration of germanics/huns for example caused a major problem for them. You should look up the citizenship requirements of living in Rome, mate. I like how you ignored virtually the entire argument btw. >all the good parts are really pagan (family unit, holidays, preserving nature, nationhood, blood and soil etc). I just literally debunked this like 3 times. Virtually the entire main list was done in the name of their pagan religions.. And you cant even find a single citation of any of your retarded claims. Nowhere, in any pagan scriptures are there any support of any this. The only thing youre somewhat right about is the holidays like Christmas I guess. You should come visit the åstatro assosciation in Norway sometime, (biggest pagan org in Europe). It would probably be a major blackpill for you. Theyre more cucked than the average swedish feminist. Pic-related is the high-priest (who have studied and preached paganism for over 40 years). fucking based. True pagans today (who actually practice paganism) are leftist as fuck. the only ones trying to twist it into some "blood-based" religion is larpvarg and his closet-atheist muttcult who doesnt even believe in any gods to begin with. But yeah, when a "religion" is so fundamentally dead you can just twist it into whatever the fuck you want I guess.
Adam Parker
The fuck is a threll orgy
Jack Martinez
shittiest meme ive seen >>>
Eli Powell
having sex rituals with slaves
Mason Foster
You brought up good points. Gotta agree with you. Do you ever think we can rebuild christianity to what it was?
>muh stronk gods got absolutely btfo by some cuuck oh the irony
William White
we can, and we shall bretheren
mainly historians, preserved scriptures and documentation
Jose King
shill somewhere else dickhead
your misinformation game is shitty
Eli Wilson
>It was easy for virtually any shitskin to live in the roman empire. Trading is apparently the same as living there and bringing you entire family, lol ok. >how you ignored virtually the entire argument btw. There wasn’t any that’s why, you just had an emotional ramble about how great Christianity is.
>And you cant even find a single citation of any of your retarded claims. Nowhere, in any pagan scriptures are there any support of any this. The burning of the library of Alexander, look it up and look up what was inside. >You should come visit the åstatro assosciation in Norway sometime, (biggest pagan org in Europe). It would probably be a major blackpill for you. No thanks, they’re real pagans because pagans only associate with people of their own tribe, which largely have collapsed because muh Christianity.
I am a fucking historian. Way to show yourself up. German tribal paganism has been my point of research for the last 5 years. I contributed to BHF several times...
Where’s your proof for all this by the way? It’s pretty degenerate.
Adam Baker
Proof please
Brandon Rogers
>admits his saviour is a cuck
Wyatt Howard
>pic-related again wew, you just love spamming millionth time completely debunked memes, dont you? >Trading is apparently the same as living there no, being granted citzenship is the same as living there. >There wasn’t any that’s why my entire argument was nothing but facts, perhaps you should read again. >look it up and look up what was inside. >"I dont have any citation" >because pagans only associate with people of their own tribe I guess this is a side effect of watching varg too long. virtually not a single fucking practicing pagan is even remotely right wing.
100% of norwegians are all pagans, get out of norway shittalian.
Gabriel Evans
I fail to see a single thing you've mentioned as negative. Grow some balls incel
Jose Clark
>ignores Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek, Roman cultures and civilizations
>ignores the massive leaps in European civilization due to the Renaissance
k bud it's all the Christians that caused everything
Anthony Hill
>my entire argument was nothing but facts, perhaps you should read again. You don’t have any argument with these “facts” though, do you? >no, being granted citzenship is the same as living there. Doesn’t mean bring you families. Look it Roman law. >virtually not a single fucking practicing pagan is even remotely right wing. Either is any Christian you deluded cunt. Interracial marriage is fine by Christianity, is it not? Deus Vult, right!? All gods children aren’t we?
Plus, get over the fact that the crusaders were nothing but Christian propaganda.
>you didn’t answer my argument >doesn’t provide any
Ooooh sweetie.
Gavin Foster
I gave a citation from Midas Dekker whove written a well sourced book on this topic. >Cantarella, Eva (1992). Bisexuality in the Ancient World >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome >Langlands, Rebecca (2006). Sexual Morality in Ancient Rome are some of many sources
Kayden Foster
Without a Christian Europe we would literally be fucking Muslim , if Muhammad would be born that is. Without Christianity (which is our true religion), we would all be just mini pagan states fighting each other and never unifying under a common religion. All of the pagancucks ITT are somali semen drinking larpers. Everything they know about Paganism comes centuries after Christian Monks wrote these things down. Maybe Odin/Wotan didn't even exist at all in Germanic Paganism.
Jace Brooks
Lol okay so let me get this straight, so when the Jews finally got their hands on Rome the subversion of their culture started to happen, correct? Just like how they do that to Christianity in the 20th century? Why didn’t christianty project us? Do you believe that is faith that blocks all this or basic morals that make this unreasonable to maintain?
Levi Robinson
>You don’t have any argument with these “facts” though, do you? "I didnt bring any argument to my facts", what? >Doesn’t mean bring you families are you asking if rome had chain migration? Idk, maybe they had. but it doesnt matter, their entire empire quickly became a giant epitome of multiracial/multicultural degeneracy. thats an undeniable fact. Rome was by far the most multicultural/multiracial empire in fucking history who let virtually any group of people migrate. >Either is any Christian you deluded cunt. Christians are the most nationalistic group of people. pic-related.
Revolt against modern world is not good. Christianity and Tradition are positive not negative movements. Modernism is a revolt against Christianity. We were here first no need for red team blue team bullshit. Only Trad thots believe they are revolting against the modern world.
Easton Peterson
>Lol okay so let me get this straight, so when the Jews finally got their hands on Rome I dont get what you mean by this..? The jews was essentially in bed with roman pagan emperors, working with them to try and destroy Christianity. Emperor Julian for example worked very closely with the jews to try and kill of Christianity in Rome.
Dylan Gutierrez
>which is our true religion >it comes from the Middle East >it’s our true religion >we just need to put in pagan symbols, pagan holidays and make churches on pagan worship sites >but trust me guys it’s our true religion
Bad idea. Don't bring the Jews back. And Christian cuckold morality WILL bring the Jews back to power. If we really needed (((their))) religion to behave in a remotely decent manner, then we should instead take what (((they))) have made, preserve what little of value; namely sex norms, and discard the rest. The little bit of good should be incorporated into our own practices. We don't need to let (((them))) take over again.
mate, your posts are so illiterate and historically inaccurate that it's a pain to read. there is board called 8ch for likes of you, you might find a better fit there.
Carson Smith
You have a wild imagination for a Christian, it's a foreign cult from the desert, even if the things above mentioned are true, it's not normal behaviour therefore naturally people would reject and cull such creatures, but all man is equal eh? Despite God having his chosen people? Nothing to see here Goy just carry on being submissive and docile.
Carter Thomas
You have the cross on your flag beta cuck
Anthony Edwards
>"I didnt bring any argument to my facts", what? You need to have an argument, a point to your facts. Randomly showing facts doesn’t mean shit I’m afraid. >Rome was by far the most multicultural/multiracial empire in fucking history who let virtually any group of people migrate. >what was the Persian empire? >what was the Islamic slave trade? FYI, Muhammad’s first wife was a catholic. Deus Vult right!? >Christians are the most nationalistic group of people. pic-related. Yeah, go and tell a bunch of nigger Christians that, or a bunch of Mexican jumper boarders that. Plus “Christians”, you mean Europeans trying to get back their homeland? Most Christians are catholics and Catholicism is basically 90% Pagan.
Rome was fucked long before because it was an economy based on plunder.
Hunter Adams
>your posts are so illiterate and historically inaccurate >doesn’t rebutt them
Adam Diaz
Rome falls. Germanic kingdoms develop feudalism. Barely recover roman tier levels of civilization in 1100s
But this time the uncivilized Slavic tribes start a huge barbarian migration/invasion in the 1200s and crash western civilization again into a second dark age. Major depopulation from plague.
Viking piracy continues forever
European Civilization doesnt recover till the 1700s and it's still basically Proto-feudal kingdoms under Slavic warlords fighting each other.
Baltic and Finnic tribes recolonize abandoned Slavic lands in eastern europe.
Even Assuming If Europe doesn't get conquered by middle easterners, Chinese, or pajeets(by this time advanced civilizations)
>the jews to try and kill of Christianity in Rome. Why would they try and kill off a section of their religion? Jews started usury in Rome, even since then they weren’t liked en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish–Roman_wars
2000 years of history and theology tells otherwise
The church was founded by Christ, Petro being the first head of an invisible state, the covenant with the jews was broken and the religion of YWHW became universal, that's from where the word Catholic comes from, universal. The romans, first civilization to recognize natural rights, the ones impregnated today in our modern constitutions, and the first to force their superior culture into barbarians, yet they were deceived, Saturn worshipers and sex maniacs, something had to change, the cosmology of the 12 tribes had surpassed Rome, China, Mexica, Inca and Parthia's view of the universe, the jews had it figured out, but they are greedy, the neanderthal in them rules them, until Jesus, who absolutely changed their perspective, the ruling rabis knew this and they had him killed and blamed on the Romans, the Romans didn't gave a shit about a schizophrenic jew being executed in Judea so Pilato just complied to keep the rabis happy. But Pilato and the Romans didn't knew what the jews did, disgrace came upon Judea when they rioted 60 years later, the Romans destroyed everything and exterminated everyone, only a few fled to Khazaria and Hispania. This jewish influence had to be subverted, so they chased down Christians like dogs and predated on them, until the message was clear, but before the Emperors knew Roma was a christian nation. The romans, being a legalistic state formalized the religion, adapted it to their culture and gave them a governmental structure and capacity, thus it came the church which already existed but was merely formalized by Constantine. Of course it is an institution run by humans, it is easily corrupted and constantly attacked, but their biggest blow was the protestant reformation, how easily was europe fed to the muslim dogs, since then christianity fragmented into more than two (orthodox church has as much legitimacy as the roman church).
>showing facts doesn’t mean shit >>showing facts doesn’t mean shit >>>showing facts doesn’t mean shit >>>>showing facts doesn’t mean shit yeah I forgot I was on pol
>>Muhammad’s first wife was a catholic >>mohammeds child bride of 5 years was a catholic >citation fucking needed
>Most Christians are catholics and Catholicism is basically 90% Pagan. Now, this is some varg-tier bullshit again. Refuted about a million fucking times. youtube.com/watch?v=30AunYXtYDg&t also pic.related
also, just because Christians share religion doesnt mean you have to stop loving your culture, your traditions and heritage. Being a Christian doesnt mean you must stop loving your people. Being a Christian doesnt mean you should let yourself be genocided or mixed out of existance.. In fact, its the very opposite. Jesus would very much disapprove if you stopped loving all this. Jesus would never want to see one of the races he created being genocided out of existance.. According to Christianity we were all racially seperated, with different languages, cultures and boundaries to our lands. (see tower of Babel for starters). One of the main reasons over 99.5% of Christians throughout history have been "far-right nationalists" according to today's standards.
Yeah no shit. Julius Caesar tried stop it by making Rome into a republic again. But that famously ended badly.
Leo Gray
>Why would they try and kill off a section of their religion? probably because it wasnt a section of their religion, and Jesus basically rejected them and their entire religious structure, and even called them the children of satan himself. but whatever floats your boat I guess
Camden Sullivan
Kike shilling for a kike religion
John Howard
Muslim.
Jaxson Gomez
Those aren’t facts, those are biblical verses. You’re not very good at arguing are you? >Refuted about a million fucking times. >only shows one pagan myth Erm, okay? Do you understand what I’m saying when I was 90% of Catholicism is pagan? Symbols, holidays, gatherings etc. All pagan, all done on pagan worship sites. >One of the main reasons over 99.5% of Christians throughout history have been "far-right nationalists" according to today's standards. Pagans literally killed anyone who entered their land, That’s fair ring wing. >Jesus would never want to see one of the races he created being genocided out of existance. Yet allows interracial marriage.
