“You should take an ethical burden, not to wave a flag for how wonderful you are that you happen to have the same skin colour as some of the people who thought that up.”
HOLY FUCKING KEK. The comments are so butthurt trying to argue against him but NONE of them do this successfully. It’s too bad YouTube is now dominated by the right in the comments so those responses never get to the top.
The reality is this: white pride is the most illogical and idiotic thing in the world. You are taking pride for ideas that SOME PEOPLE that shared the skin colour as you thought up. As Peterson mentions himself, it’s not even clear that this culture came from Europe, since many of the value systems came from the Middle East.
don't feel proud being a part of something bigger than yourself, goy, that's how i get shoa'd
Aiden Green
>look at us, what we did! >no, that was not you, you did nothing! nice pilpul. to be a man that talks so openly about the dangers of resentment he sounds pretty resentful himself.
Aaron Rogers
NPC response.
“Muh everyone who disagrees with me must be a Jew.”
Pic related. Focus on the text at the top of the picture.
t. braindead leftist. You actually took the time to create this image? Have sex.
Wyatt Bailey
You guys literally just said what the picture predicted you’d say LOL.
The braindead is strong on this one.
Ayden Wood
Yea this kike shill tells white people to not be tribal when EVERY OTHER RACE IS, and is against the white man. Now he says this shit of all times. He's a plant.
NPC response #4 so far. “Everyone who disagrees with me is a Jew. Whites are the most oppressed.”
Is there any originality here?
Alexander Turner
JP's argument against white pride is disingenuous because its not about 'taking pride for things you've never done', its about respecting the sacrifices and struggles your ancestors went through to birth you, its about respecting the traditions and methods they used that created you. in essence, its about valuing your life and everything that had to happened for you to exist.
to NOT have pride in your ancestors is to not have pride in yourself, to say you are worthless, western civilization is worthless, and everything your forefathers ever struggled through was a waste of time. which is empirically and personally not true.
JP's views on white pride show his self hatred, his self loathing, his insecurity, and his hatred of western civilization.
Bentley Lee
>race is just skin color When can this meme die? Human skull shapes such as abbos clearly show that the brains are different. Caucasians have a bigger frontal lobe and niggers have slope heads. Asians can build societies similar to ours because their heads are shaped a lot like ours.
Haven't actually watched it yet but how does he reconcile his >Pride in anyone but yourself is illogical with, for example, someone taking pride in their family? >Son, I'm so proud of you Is this illogical also?
>You should take burdens How is this reconciled with his individualism? Why does he care what others do? Why should other "Burden", as he puts it, themselves to appease him. Is this expected from non-whites also?
>Because you happen to .... How does he know why people do it? Can he read minds? I was under the impression that most of the "white pride" types did it from simply observing the before and after of European identity, comparing this to the in-group preferences of all other non-white groups and concluding that the absence of in-group preference is dysgenic. He seems to be completely dependent on use of the word "pride" here, to make a conflation with other uses of the term (misrepresentation through redefinition basically). If "In-group preference", "ethnocentrism", etc (i.e. their actual views) were used instead, his entire argument seems to break down, as the comparison with pride in personal achievements can no longer be made.
Among the best quotes I've heard is something like "nationalism is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire" I do feel a tremendous awe at the life and society Europeans created in America, and I want to live up to them. For crying out loud we have self improvement generals on here, I would wager a large part of the inspiration to do more and to be better is comparing ourselves to the titans that came before us. And a part of that awe and respect we have for our ancestors, is not throwing away the Pearl's they left us to the swine.
Brandon Robinson
You fucking idiots always talk about the same irrelevant semantics. Replace skin colour with race. The argument still stands.
Xavier Campbell
Sorry, its tradition, not nationalism, but I think it fits in this context.
Nathaniel Martin
So he is a genocidal fuck wit trying to deny our identity while advancing his own...what a racist low IQ hobgoblin kike...You know Peterson is jewish right
Christopher Walker
Just to be clear for the dumb ones here, The argument stands because either way, none of you guys did anything regardless of whether certain culture. I know this troubles you and makes you angry you have zero accomplishments personally, but it’s true.
Mason Myers
Race is about ancestry, not just skin color.
Oliver Perez
JP also says he's proud to have been made an honorary member of a Native Indian tribe by a friend of his. Would he tell that tribe not to be proud of their ancestry, or proud to be members of that ethnic group?
is there even a single op left who doesn't get paid to post
Eli Wright
Regardless of whether a certain culture and values came from the Middle East or europe*
Easton Long
The semantics of "pride" are far more relevant. Pride is not always synonymous with in-group preference. His argument seems to depend on being able to link in-group preference to pride in personal achievements (not the same thing) through conflating two definitions of the word "pride".
Wyatt Nguyen
It's not about accomplishments, it's about social environment. The reason people don't want to live around niggers isn't because niggers 1000 years ago sat on their ass, it's because niggers today are a threat to my children. The >Muh accomplishments is a strawman.
Brody Garcia
Why is “white pride” the most illogical and idiotic thing and not “pride on your race”? We can see you coming from a mile away
Jordan Turner
>im just going to keep repeating my retardation as if i have a point
Leo Hall
Pride and responsibility go hand in hand.
You cannot accept responsibility for something without making it part of your identity.
Europe is ours, and we need to be proud of it so that we can preserve it.
Nolan Roberts
At least you tried Moshe.
Nathan Cooper
>you happen to have the same skin colour
It's not random chance if a child comes out white or black or any color. It's not happenstance that I am borne from my ancestors.
Hunter Edwards
Sometimes I post, and lemme tell ya, I'm not getting paid.
Luke Hernandez
> many of the value systems came from the Middle East woah, what a shock.. a sand nigger kike with recycled opinions and facts from the land of fantasy and the make believe. fuck off and die, kike.
>why do you feel proud of what your ancestors have accomplished and the society they have built just be a self-centered selfish nihilist man. Don't get me started on the nazis or I might start tearing up remembering the lolocaust
Kevin Wood
Bad analogy. You have a lot to do with your son as a parent.
Your ancestors don’t even know you exist. They’re dead.
As expected, no one here successfully rebutted Jordan’s argument.
> all that reddit spacing > thinks anybody for a moment gives a fuck about what some kike quack of a psychologist says absolutely fucking adorable.
Carson Cruz
>what is collective racial culture Wow that wasn't hard. Peterstein a brainlet?
Owen Evans
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Kayden Bennett
If I'm going to be vilified for supposed atrocities my ancestors committed, then I'm also going to take credit for everything the white man has given this world. You don't get to have it both ways.
Jacob Rodriguez
>Bad analogy. You have a lot to do with your son as a parent.
can a son not be proud of his father? his grandfather? his ancestors?
They can be. But sharing responsibility is the issue.
You can be proud of your ancestors, but just stop pretending as if you’re any more responsible for their achievements than your brown neighbour down the street. This is Peterson’s point.
Aiden Brown
I hope you walk out your door someday, constantly a nervous, depressed wreck because everyone around you is brown and speaking Spanish. I hope you feel like you're living in a completely hostile alien world when that happens. You deserve it and so does Peterson.
Jace Young
he's not wrong tho most people who like to brag about their ancestry think they're superior just for being white while engaging in degenerate self-destructive behavior (looking at you skinheads)
Jaxon Collins
I’m not black. Nice try though Aussie.
This entire thread is just NPC responses just like the YouTube comments.
Landon Harris
>white pride is the most illogical and idiotic thing in the world. You are a fucking moron when everyone else can have pride than the people that build the modern world as well you utter retard. sage
>They can be. But sharing responsibility is the issue. >You can be proud of your ancestors, but just stop pretending as if you’re any more responsible for their achievements than your brown neighbour down the street. This is Peterson’s point.
pride and responsibility aren't one and the same and peterson, and you, are purposely conflating them illogically.
hence why the movement is called 'white pride' and not 'white responsibility'
Chase Phillips
>wants to say we have unearned 'privilege ' >checks himself and says 'gift' instead >thinks we don't notice he's a leftist
Colton Parker
you're talking about two different types of whites you stupid nigger
Isaac Phillips
Has nothing to do with feeling superior. Some of us just want to live among our own kind in peace and see that as becoming made increasingly difficult. I live in a 100% Sikh neighbourhood, but thank god I’ll be leaving soon
Sebastian Gonzalez
I wonder why doesn't Juden Peterstein doesn't go live in Africa then?
Chase Turner
Once I really dived into my ancestry, I get immediately humbled and small at the same time. Big shoes to fill.
Being proud of some shit that people UNRELATED to you is like taking pride in your neighbors dad’s car dealership. Loser shit.
Joshua Carter
we arent taking credit for ideas "thought up" by our own race, we're taking credit for being the only ones who consistently put those ideas into practice, dr. juden peterstein
Thomas Johnson
Hes a filthy wasp whore. Just looking at him you can tell he has jewish/wasp qualities
Jeremiah Stewart
You must be one of those fags who gets upset when crowds chant 'USA! USA! USA! '
Lincoln Wood
Yeah, white nationalist should just say yeah we enslaved the black and killed a bunch of Indians but we don’t want to live with niggers so get the fuck out of the country out ancestors built. You gotta take credit for everything.
Landon Martinez
How am I conflating them when I literally made the distinction in my comment you quoted?
Ryan James
And it’s still illogical even if it’s just white pride by the way.
It’s like me being proud of all achievements done by tall people if I’m tall. You have no personal connection to people in the past. They don’t even know you exist. So why are you proud of something from someone of your race in the past did, ESPECIALLY given that you didn’t choose what race you would be born into. It was a stroke of luck.
Parker Barnes
Brown pride is still far worse
Ian King
i agree partially i think it's nice to look back at your ancestors and be proud of their accomplishments it's ok to be proud of who you are however it's not okay to be a fucking hypocrite and treat innocent people like shit
David Foster
Witnessed
Owen Diaz
Why do you autists always use this strawman. The "pride" is just reverence.
Gabriel Brown
That's the face of somebody about ready to go shoot up a place. Our (((modern society))) really does a good job at making people on edge all the time
Evan Jenkins
I should add, after some further investigation, that although Peterson claimed for years to have been made an honorary member of a Native tribe, he wasn't. He was only given a name and an honorary award ceremony by them. He seems to have been under the impression that made him a tribal member.
The number one question anons should be tweeting at Peterson non-stop until he answers it is this:
Would you tell the people of the Kwakwaka'wakw tribe not to be proud of their ancestry?
The bogus nihilistic concept that people like sam harris promote where everything about your past "was just luck".... is a lie.
No, it's not luck that they gave birth to you. You exist precisely because of the success of your ancestors. You exist as you are BECAUSE of their achievements. It's not luck that you were born to them. Your birth is the result of their efforts. You are the fruit of their labor, and that is something worth being proud of.
Michael Bell
Then nobody should have pride in their race regardless of their race. Tell native people to throw out their Native Pride hats etc. JP is such a fag. How does he not see that collectivism will always overpower individualism?
James Kelly
You keep using the word “we”.
YOU DID NOT DO ANYTHING, regardless of what your ancestors may have or may have not done. YOU DID NOT CHOOSE YOUR RACE EITHER. Get that through your Caucasian skull.
James Rivera
and that's a wrap!
Luke Myers
Genetics and evolution point to culture being a racial construct. Any other explanation is cope.
Robert Cruz
Damn, it’s almost tiring arguing against idiots.
No one said you shouldn’t do anything. You have the right to do whatever dumb shit you want to do. It doesn’t make it as any less dumb. And yes, native Americans taking credit for what their ancestors may have done is just as stupid as you taking credit for things.
Brandon James
>not taking pride in your ancestors Everyone does it, but only Jews tell others not to.
Nicholas Ramirez
It really must suck being apart of an inferior race. I can't even imagine it.
The correct position is to point out that we stopped doing such atrocities, and also that these atrocities were predominately carried out by Jews masquerading as white people through out history, including slavery. The benefits of the gifts given by mankind can still be enjoyed, and we continue to perpetuate the virtues that created the environments to make such discoveries and share such benefits with the entire world. We also do not deny that other ethnicities have benefited mankind in similar kind; I don't deny that Srinivasa Ramanujan was Indian, raised under British rule, and provided the world with substantial new ideas to the body of mathematics.
Jose Adams
>You have no personal connection to people in the past.
Where is this logic when we're talking about slavery or Jim Crow? It seems like we're only allowed any sense of collective responsibility when it's detrimental.
Given that Harris doesn't believe in free will, "luck" seems like the worst explanation of why you were born how you were born. It couldn't have been chance, chance doesn't exist. It had to have been fate.
Alexander Kelly
“The dice didn’t roll a 1 because of luck. It rolled because of certain physical forces that determined it to be 1.”
That’s how you sound right now. You idiot. Of course everything is determined by certain causes. The point is YOU had no say in that. Every lottery ticket is picked because of certain causes too. From your viewpoint, it’s still a lottery.
Wyatt Wood
theres more of a genetic connection between people of the same race than people of varying races with one similar attribute you fucking retard
all life is about competition between differing species which evolve varying traits, humans are no different
your crying about collectivism falls flat on its face if you dont believe race is a fucking social construct
the central issue is nonwhites dont care about western values, they just want what whites have
philosophy about politics and ethics or what the fuck ever is completely fucking irrelevant in this context
Leo Mitchell
I think he's drawing a parallel between taking pride of the achievements of your people and taking credit for something you didn't do.
Caleb Harris
>The point is YOU had no say in that. All the more reason to identify with my ancestors who did have a say in it.
I am the realization and continuation of their will and the torch bearer of their dreams.
Grayson Sullivan
This is Jordan Peterson and his wife. First thing you notice when looking at his wife is huge ashkenazim schnoz and distinctive "reptilian" facial composition. Know what that means bucko? That's right, affinity to Tribe is inherited through maternal line. Jordan's children are considered full kikes, and all his descendants will be. He's an old man, and work for sake of younger generations first and foremost, and for him it is ensuring future of jewish race and jewish children. Destroying white resurgence is question of biological importance to Jordan, because he too understands that bucko will achieve racial awareness one day and gas his filthy kike spawn, unless of course Jordan manages to poz bucko with his poisonous atomizing ideology. He is not "sold himself" to globalist agenda of international jewry he's helping, he's part of it working towards his bloodline belonging among rulers of NWO. Now you know. And by the way, as far as I know, despite claiming to be devout Christian, Jordan not once answered "yes" when asked if he believes in resurrection of Christ, despite this thing being a foundation and core of Christian belief. His true spiritual alignment therefore must be (((elsewhere))).
Why don’t you have reverence for medium build people assuming you’re that? Short people if you’re short? All humans since you’re human? All animals since you’re an animal?
The point is you didn’t choose any of the attributes you were born into, so being proud of what some people in the past whose actions you didn’t affect but happened to share some similar attributes is extremely pathetic.
Adam Ross
>human races and genetics are all just dice rolling randomly, all the numbers are the same and it doesnt make any difference which ones you end up with
it would maybe be fine if it wasnt just white people who believed this
