Can we talk about AnCap? I wana know how people can be this retarded and optimistic about such a shitty non-system. Anarchisme in general but AnCap is one of the worse ones
Can we talk about AnCap? I wana know how people can be this retarded and optimistic about such a shitty non-system...
Thomas Price
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Juan Ramirez
I'll take your question as a serious one, even though you are asking it like an edgy 14 year old. First thing you should do is read a non-strawman of it.
Here are some books. Best argument against the existence of the state is The Problem of Political Authority. I guarantee you any and all arguments you have for a State are addressed in depth in this book.
Problem of Political Authority by Michael Huemer
The Anatomy of the State - Murray Rothbard
The Machinery of Freedom - David Friedman
Basic Economics - Thomas Sowell
For a New Liberty - Murray Rothbard
There are two basic arguments for Ancap: Consequential and Deontological.
Consequentialist argument is that markets are the best way to provide services and goods to people at the lowest cost possible. If this isn't self evident then read Basic Economics. The first thing you need to understand is that a free market does not exist in any modern country, the closest thing to free markets in the world today are crypto currency markets. Huge corporations are not a product of a free market, they use state coercion to gain unnatural standings in a market and put heavy taxes on competitors and potential competitors. Intellectual property is also a major component of State control.
The Deontological argument is basically that the State itself is immoral, and no good that can possibly come from its existence can be justified by the immorality of its existence in the first place. Although in practice States do way more harm than good. This is the most convincing argument imo, again I recommend AT LEAST reading The Problem of Political Authority if you truly want to understand the full arguments at play here. It's not just "people in their basements", serious economists and philosophers have been taking this seriously for a long time, it's just an incredibly unpopular position to even study because of the status-quo, which makes it even easier to shit on and straw man.
Hope I helped.
Easton Stewart
>I wana know how people can be this retarded and optimistic about such a shitty non-system.
>supports NatSoc
clearly this is irony... right?
Bentley Hill
>provide services and goods to people at the lowest cost possible
This would for many things not happen since that is not good for profits which companys sole reason to exist is. Also these major companys are stalled by goverments because they can atleast make sure these companys have some sort of moral compas to follow. With no stat ethere is no way to actuely stop them from subjegating you. Also a legal system that is "mostly" fair to everything is better then personal prefrence. Even the crypto currenct wich is a freemarket is mostly for the rich who can afford to buy it or the lucky who bought it back when it was only 360 dollars
I do like that you give a legit answer so that is appreciated.
Asher Miller
>NatSoc
Didn't even know what NatSoc is. So I doubt I support it. Also not a fan of being a nazi
Nolan Bennett
Also I have watched some stuff about non strawman but they are far to idealist for my taste
Chase Lopez
>feudalism
>bad
Logan Kelly
>Didn't even know what NatSoc is.
confirmed retard
>inb4 I was only pretending to be retarded
Colton Butler
Very few people actually believe in ancap. The people that claim to do it are actually lolbergs who pretend online because ancaps have better memes
William Gutierrez
Kinda feared that aswel, but there reactions ofton are to serius
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Adam Howard
>confirmed retard
>Acuses some one of being a nazi even tho believing having a state is not nazism
>confirmed retard
Kayden Scott
lay off the grass, pot smoker, the damage is evident
Cooper Jackson
Since ancap is the libertarian ideas driven to it's logical extreme they still feel the need to protect them since doing otherwise would mean admitting that government can be a force for good. Deep down all but the most extreme people know that ancap would never work since ultimately the threat of government tyrrany is needed to deter other groups from seeking power and control over the populus.
Source: Former ancap/libertarian
Jonathan Diaz
And what's the reason you don't support it?
Hunter Jackson
Or you could just have the populus deter these groups. Unfortunately, the populus at the moment is too retarded and toothless to do that, so the best course of action is to arm and educate the population, and not just remove the government right away.
Eli Morales
What are you talking about? Lower prices are amazing for profits as it allows you to fetch far more impressive market shares. The trick is reducing your costs with things like automation.
Also, the presence of governments, which is the use of force, is the insertion of a shortcut to sane competition. No other entity can force people to fund you. No other entity can dispossess you. No other entity can put forth rules you never agreed to without at least funding you.
Using an entity that can steal, sequester, kill, threaten, change rules on a whim, create smokescreens to remove responsibility, bribe and tilt the economical field for votes as a basis for morality? Seriously?
Nathan Barnes
>the people have the power, they can choose not to buy from one place and go to another!
I think real life proves this is not true, and thus ancap is a thought experiment no different from communism.
Christopher Reyes
I dont like being extrimist. Extrimists are always bad in every direction. I guese nazisme is not extrimist but dont wana fall into that rabbit hole
Carter Gutierrez
Apple is the biggest company in the world, and they dont lower prices. These companys could force you to buy expensive because it might be nescesary. Same goes for health care, glasses, cars, gem stones, gold and any other thing. When demand rises you can increase the price. This is high school level economics.
Thomas Sanchez
People naturly dont like conflict. That is why groups like ISIS can subjegate entire city's. They wont stand up because doing it alone is pointless and looking for a group can get you killed. Also when the oppisistion becomes orginized militairy then these is very little you can do even when you have superiors numbers. Vietnam was well orginized and had good tactics which is why they could drive the US off quite well. Only a goverment however could reasobly orginize such a big group unless everything is at a small enough scale where 1 or more 'elders' could lead everyone
Juan Howard
Well, you could research about it, can't you? Research in Jow Forums, that is, since elsewhere it's all jewish bs
I think as a starter you could take a look at this thread
Dylan Perez
How does ancapism deal with patents? Imo without patents there wouldn't be monopolies.
Samuel Wood
I assume its a bit about how arians are the superior race, While I would say that for certain things thats true but the fact that the other races are still alive proves that they arent complet genetic deadweights because darwinisme
Jayden Powell
>Consequentialist argument is that markets are the best way to provide services and goods to people at the lowest cost possible. If this isn't self evident then read Basic Economics. The first thing you need to understand is that a free market does not exist in any modern country
>The Deontological argument is basically that the State itself is immoral
A truly free market, because of its nature can only exist with regulation, though. This defacto contradict your statement on state.
Joseph Walker
You don't have to stick with the "arian best race" thing if you don't want to, many fascist ideologies didn't implement such a thing, you just have to mold it into something that would benefit your people the most
Tyler Russell
Why are there still AnCaps on Jow Forums? I have libertarianism and AnCap threads highlighted at the top and every time it's a thread about bashing them. No one supports libertarianism here.
Jordan Lewis
>These companys could force you to buy expensive because it might be necessary
There's a name for this. It's called price elasticity of demand.