If belief in god was an arm we would lack it. we are like god amputees. And i can tell you that because i realized so many people believe in god and a few doesn't. so many people cant be that stupid. And since Im not stupid also, i realized we are unable to believe in god. That is what an atheist is, an amputee of the ability to believe in god. You guys can mock it, but its just like being blind and cannot even see colors. we cant even understand its concept because colors never impassioned our optic nerves. I got this realization from another Brazilian atheist that happens to be a philosopher. When i realized this everything clicked. And a huge respect for believers and a sense of humility stroke my heart. Mabe there is a god but some of us are just not able to see or feel it.
Atheists are not able to believe in god
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You can't believe in God because you were brainwashed from TV and school. Your world view is literally programmed from school teaching you the lie called evolution.
Brazilians are fucking stupid. Range ban when?
Atheists practice a form of ignorance. Drawing firm conclusions before performing an exhaustive search.
>says evolution is a lie
>believes a dead guy on a stick was born to a virgin
why are you mad?
Just don't be like all those atheist assholes that go around telling everyone how stupid they are for believing in a Creator and we're good. I'm not atheist and I'm not vegan, but for some reason both are insistent that I have to be just like them. Be the exception to that rule.
No, atheists just do not believe a god exists. We would change our minds if you could provide compelling factual and real proof of a god. But you can't, so why should we believe in something we dont think exists?
i dont think that is the reason, mabe it has to do with my parenthood, its more likely so.
Only agnostics are being honest with themselves.
Cool and high-IQpilled.
I don't believe in gods because I don't find the arguments for them to be moving and convincing.
The lack of evidence prevents me from having belief in the absence of good arguments.
Funny, lots of christians and other religious people think everyone should be like them and kill those who aren't. I don't see atheists protesting the funerals of soldiers because someone somewhere in America is having gay sex.
So long as the theists don't try and pass laws that have no real secular value we have a deal.
Atheists believe in hatred of God; resentment, vengeance, not-shutting-the-f-up-about-it-ence. Nihilists don't believe in anything.
How so? I don't believe a god exists, therefore I act like one does not exist. How is that not being honest with myself?
Primatives derived the entire concept of Gods to explain what they witnessed happening in space.
Most societies worshiped the sun and were fearful of the wrath they witness when the sun would cause mass destruction and extinction during its most violent phases.
The fact that the Bible has no record of these solar events leads me to believe it was written after the last solar micro nova but contains the last recorded crust displacement. Which would be Noah's flood.
We are due to get our shit wrecked at anytime but I'm doubtful that a rapture to heaven will precede the mass destruction.
>Only agnostics are being honest with themselves.
You don't get to choose if your believe or don't. Also you can not hold a position of neither believe or disbelief. Either your believe that gods are real or you don't. I don't know is a refusal to answer not actually something you can believe.
Pray for faith, you will get it
>e would change our minds if you could provide compelling factual and real proof of a god.
well what if the proof is a feeling we cant feel ? for some chemical imbalance (just a possibility i have no clue if this is even possible) in our brains, or just a way of our brain is rigged.
exactly that was the conclusion i got from it. We cant just call people stupid when we are in a perspective we just cant see. its like being blind and saying people that see colors are stupid.
can you call someone ignorant because he is unable to experience something ? if he is ignorant mabe he is NATURALLY IGNORANT in that matter. Im taking a huge leap of faith to even conceive the possibility that i am unable to experience god. see? im pretty open minded.
The truth is nobody knows.
Theists pretend they know.
Atheists pretend they know.
Agnostics do not pretend. They acknowledge they don't know.
You are just like a theist from an outsider perspective. Blind belief.
honestly, does the metaphysical argument even really have any relevant significance??
I get that it's more complicated, but haven't we been shown that morals transcend metaphysics????????????????
Hm, maybe you're genetically a blind follower?
Blind belief? I was a baptized believer until I realized that god was a lie perpetuated to control others. I thought critically about my belief and decided I didn't believe. Simple is that.
How is that not honest?
Because you haven't performed an exhaustive search. You can deny Neptune exists because you haven't seen proof in the 20 years you've been alive, but that's just you being ignorant and not searching fully.
Truth is, you don't know for sure.
well i just invented a whole new possibility :
i know i cant prove god exists, i cant experience it. But i trust the overwhelming population of humans that do believe in god. Seems like something that is only objective to part of a population, that happens to be the majority.
My point is that you can believe in something being real, or not believe. Your claim of knowledge only matter if you have real knowledge one way or the other which would by definition force you to believe or not. If you lack the knowledge (I don't know) then you are back to believe or not.
>The truth is nobody knows.
>Theists pretend they know.
>Atheists pretend they know.
>Agnostics do not pretend. They acknowledge they don't know.
I don't claim to know. I state I don't believe. This is not the same thing.
Now no top of not believing I also have a very strong opinion that gods do not exist, to the point if you offered me any wager of any real value for any non infinite payout I'd say no. Literally the whole universe as a reward for a bet of a single penny and I'd keep that penny as more likely a payout.
Maybe it is genetic.
That's a population falacy. If a majority of the world believes drinking gasoline wont kill you, it doesn't make you any less dead to drink it.
Simply because a large number of people believe something doesnt make it true.
You maybe able to change your state of non belief to belief by accepting an argument. It's easy to say you now believe and even act as if you do. However, if you actually believe or not is still a quantity that you can only be sure of yourself.
I read your post and you see alright hue. That is an interesting theory, but does that mean that athiests are either devoid of spirit or devoid "sensory organs" to the otherworldly? It could be that humanity's base state is we have it and like odd physical mutations we get folks who are just spiritually disconnected.
It’s very hard to believe in god. I’ve read books from a lot of different religions. Even if I wanted to more than anything. It’s just so obviously made up by people.
I haven't seen proof that the christian god (or any other god) exists in my life either.
we cant tell. its either a form of disease or the majority of the population of the world is suffering from psychosis. since we need to pick the most simple explanation i would dare say that atheists are lacking something that allow us (atheists) to experience god. mabe its a reversible psychological thing. But i think its a character trace.
>Maybe it is genetic.
All of human thought is ultimately genetic.
People might have a predisposition to believe one way or another but I'm not sure we have any good supporting evidence what is the cause or if it's expressive without environmental factors.
Your keys are always in the last place you check.
you have a point. but still, to make science about a fact dont you need to make an experience observable ? how can you do that if part of the population feel it (as in a faith experience ) and some people just dont?
>Your keys are always in the last place you check.
Why would you keep looking after you found what you wanted?
Your keys are almost always in the last place you check but most often that's also the first and only place.
I guess keep lookin then.
i dont think its that simple. i think we are rigged in some manner, or mabe our brain chemistry is disposed in a way that we cant believe in it. when i see a pic of Christ or Mary or Buddha it makes me feel nothing. The idea of praying is laughable to me.
What evidence would you find compelling? Serious question. Forget "God" for a second, it's too loaded with assumptions & baggage - how about say the simulation hypothesis? What evidence would you find convincing that you exist as a mathematical abstraction inside another much larger abstraction (the source of which is completely incomprehensible to your mind) & the appearance of everything as a 3d environment with stuff in it is just a result of your perception of the world (which itself is just part of your abstract "model"), as opposed to say the belief of "Reality is composed of little balls bouncing off other little balls that just popped into existence for no identifiable reason a few billion years ago". Long sentence I know.
>I guess keep lookin then.
What if your keys are no where to be found? Literally checked every possible place they could be within your house or car or where you are that you need them?
If someone took your keys and removed them from your ability to search do you keep looking until you die? Or do you say I've done everything reasonably possible to find them and they are not here I need to move on with my life?
Maybe some people need to give up on looking for something that might not be able to be found.
>What evidence would you find compelling?
>that you exist as a mathematical abstraction inside another much larger abstraction
I'd accept violation of physics so extreme that no even remotely possible explanation could account for it other than being in a simulation.
I'd accept simply having my mind being changed to believe it was true.
I'd accept being shown the inner workings of the simulation and how they create the local and understandable part of the simulation I'm familiar with.
I'd accept a demonstration so impossible that only an all powerful god could have done it or being a simulation.
What does not believing in gods have to do with any unrelated math or science? Are you seriously that retarded?
Gods are irrational beings that can be [believed in] or [not believed in]. They are not tangible things that can ever be known or not known. Since beliefs fall outside the realm of knowledge, gnostic/agnostic is just a weak rationalization of the imagined existence of supernatural beings.
This is why people laugh at you.
>They are not tangible things that can ever be known or not known.
What if the gods are tangible things but are just really good at hiding it?
Sure if you define a god as being intangible and all that then you are correct. But what if some or all of the gods are like those of Greek, Roman or Norse mythologies and had real physical forms that materially interacted with the world and humanity and are still here today but hidden?
>Atheists pretend they know.
You don't believe in the gods Ra, Zeus, Odin or Jupiter. Is it because you know something?
>i would dare say that atheists are lacking something
Credulity and gullibility?
Belief is an act of the will, you choose to believe.
Fixed that gay ass shit for you.
Tesla is village idiot tier
Do you sort toys by color?
I think even theists such as myself would claim there is no tangible evidence of god. Like a cosmic pool player he could've lined it all up from the first shot. That is why theists call it faith. Agnostics also know this truth. Atheists are literally worse then flat earthers.
We couldn't have free will without being separated from God, and thus we are ignorant. Your conclusion on that is 100%.
However, if you look further, God is the only logical conclusion to come to, and as one who has an amputation yearns for their limb, so do we yearn for connection back with God.
One has to seek out God to see though, and it can be a long journey of seeking to knowing and seeing.
Im sorry but calling the man who invented the majority of the critical components necessary in all electronics which is enabling you and I to communicate a village idiot is outing yourself as the village idiot.
Why is Einstein smarter? Because (((they))) parade him around?
>What if the gods are tangible things but are just really good at hiding it?
What is the definition of tangible?
>Sure if you define a god as being intangible
We can easily identify supernatural beings because they all have the same mishmash of invented characteristics: super strength, suspension of physics, chemistry or biology. Gods are no different, and there have been thousands of them with a very wide range of 'super' abilities.
>and had real physical forms
They were characters in stories designed to scare the children before bedtime.
>God is the only logical conclusion
The moment you add irrational beings to a rational argument, the argument ceases to be rational.
>I think even theists such as myself would claim there is no tangible evidence of god.
Without evidence then we fall back to convincing arguments, which theists do not have that works with everyone.
>Like a cosmic pool player he could've lined it all up from the first shot.
Could have done nearly anything.
>That is why theists call it faith. Agnostics also know this truth. Atheists are literally worse then flat earthers.
Not many atheists would claim that they *know* that a god or gods didn't create by means of subtle but very well planned initial condition manipulation. Most just think it's as near to unlikely as to make no difference.
However, nearly every theist doesn't actually honestly believe in that sort of creator gods. They believe in whatever religion they follow's creation story or accepted dogma to that effect and only march out the cosmic pool player as a shield against the ever growing knowledge of the universe and how we think things actually happened.
>What is the definition of tangible?
Has a physical form.
>We can easily identify supernatural beings because they all have the same mishmash of invented characteristics: super strength, suspension of physics, chemistry or biology. Gods are no different, and there have been thousands of them with a very wide range of 'super' abilities.
Well collectively humanity has never actually conclusively found such a being, god or superhuman.
>They were characters in stories designed to scare the children before bedtime.
Extremely likely that is more or less what it started as, but we can entertain for the point of argument that gods might just be effectively superhumans. We don't only need to consider a god to be the cosmic inscrutable gambler sitting outside of the universe.
That is a retarded statement because the god of the Christian bible states someones allegiance would be useless without faith. Very clearly indicated that he doesn't want to be found. Because if you saw him you would just believe and follow and you would have essentially no free will on the topic.
I mean listen dawg you can talk to retarded Christians all day but if someone actually reads the scripture a lot of the shit makes sense from Gods perspective on the whole matter. To make something separate from himself. With its own will. He gives us a chance to do what we want. Whether that is bad for us or good for us. Some of us still make the right choices and are allowed to join him. Others make bad choices and face eternal separation.
I cant think of anything worse then eternal separation from my father.
You have no credulity to the requirement that you can't be given a reason to believe in a god because then it wouldn't be faith which is good but rather would just be believing which is I guess bad?
I guess the argument is then a very fine one of the difference between faith which is a statement that you want to believe something is true, and actually believing something is true.
> And user opened his heart to the love of God
Me thinks you will feel God one day.
Religion really is just a game of pretend.
It's like, what can you trick yourself into believing even though you secretly know it's all bullshit. What kind of mental hoops and hurdles can you jump through to keep convincing yourself.
Eventually you just accept that it's lies and move on.
Psalms 14
1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
There is no one good. Even among the faithful. All god wants is for you to seek him. To choose him even if you are not a perfect person. I still watch porn and jerk off occasionally. But I believe in God and I also think hes kind of like eww. Just like my buddy would be if he were in the room with me when I was jerking off to porn.
Are you familiar with the history, collection and acceptance of the works that make up scriptures of Christianity? With that background to me those writings makes as much sense as a creation of man with a goal of political power as they do of creator and judging god explain it's actions.
As much as I know this isn't going to help an atheist.
Look up the Shroud of Turin, my fellow. The Image imprinted into it is so fine, that we could not reproduce it with today's technology, or even that of a far-flung tomorrow.
We're talking the even Horizon of a Black Hole kinda shit.
>so many people cant be that stupid.
oh sweet summer child.
The people who authored the books have their names on them. Book of Mathew. Book of david. Its pretty simple concept. Are you aware where the jews got the old testament? The old testament points to Jesus. If you wanna claim the Romans created Jesus for control lol. Read the old testament and get back to me.
Your claim of knowing the intent and goals of your god is something I'm positive is expressly impossible by your own religion's writings. I can't dig the line and verse up off the top of my head but I'm sure it's said you can't actually know the intent of your of god. Unless you get to pick and choose which parts of the scripture are valid and when. (which is also expressly forbidden and is clearly stated they are all valid all the time even if they are in conflict).
>Mabe there is a god but some of us are just not able to see or feel it.
Maybe there is but it's not the god described in the Bible.
You have to be a legitimate retard to believe that shit.
This is a pretty common satanical argument. God could be evil therefore don't play the game lol.
How precious is your unfailing love, O God! - Psalm 36:7
You, Lord, are forgiving and good, abounding in love to all who call to you. - Psalm 86:5
But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. - Psalm 86:15
Give thanks to the God of heaven, for his steadfast love endures forever. - Psalm 136:26
God pretty clearly states his intentions to love you. In fact even so much as calling us the Bride of Christ.
>As much as I know this isn't going to help an atheist.
>Look up the Shroud of Turin, my fellow. The Image imprinted into it is so fine, that we could not reproduce it with today's technology, or even that of a far-flung tomorrow.
>We're talking the even Horizon of a Black Hole kinda shit.
The shroud of Turin is no where near the level I'd accept as proof. I was thinking something like un-burning a printed paper into a pristine form as an easy to understand example.
On a side note when you say something like 'we could not reproduce it with today's technology' you sound like click-bait for retarded soccer moms.
I notice something similar between atheists and fundamentalists. Both are so closed-minded as to reject subconsciously the possibility that the alternative might be true.
Fundamentalists, or just the radically devout in general, are afraid of God not being real, which they believe, on some level, would undermine their existence and everything they have ever done.
Atheists refuse to believe in the possibility of God existing because it means they will be judged by Him for being a degenerate idiot, and that it undermines their existence and everything they have ever done.
I concluded after seeing these patterns for so long that, ultimately, if there is evil in this world, it lies in the concept of selfishness. Belief not because of faith, but validation. Hurting and condemning, not out of concern and love, but hatred and bitterness. I then realized that everything wrong with this world is because humanity is concerned with the self to the point of destruction. How we as a species still persist is a miracle. Any other animal would have died long ago, like those mice in Utopia. The thought of this revelation fills me with despair.
your god isn't real mate, none of this shit is real
For fucks sake, both the evangelists and the fendora tippers have to make atheism out to be more than a simple disbelief in gods. It's like coming at me saying that I'm incapable of being a basketball fan because I was "brainwashed" (according to the evangelists) or that I'm intellectually superior for not being a basketball fan (according to the fendora tippers). Just let me not believe in gods in peace.
>The people who authored the books have their names on them.
Yes, and many people that wrote books about that time and the events didn't get accepted into the collective works that form the Bible. For example a lot of time and effort was spent describing the youth of Jesus who came off as more or less a trickster gods of old. Those writing were excluded from the official cannon of the early church.
Men selected and edited the bible from a collection of works building a narrative and establishing what is true and false.
Atheism means you aren't stupid enough to believe in a global flood
It just shows a lack of thinking on the subject. Because gods cannot be seen or felt. Because they are not tangible. To claim that you would have a way to know for certain that they dont exist would require just as much faith as a Christian to truly believe that Jesus Christ is God.
>so many people cant be that stupid
in case anyone was curious
there is a Christianity General going on atm
Dude some of the people who authored the book were literally in the story. Don't bring up that youth of Jesus bullshit. Its not real because the people who wrote that shit never met Christ. There is a reason why the books that got chosen were chosen. Because those authors were there and there were people to corroborate that they were.
So let me get this straight
God demands you believe a bunch of literal impossible shit, including all sorts of logical contradictions and retarded nonsense, based on faith alone? So basically he wants obedient followers who don't have a brain and don't question what they're told, and he refuses to provide any real proof that would be sufficient to convince an intelligent person.
What kind of "god" is this exactly?
That's all just a bunch of nonsense to me. If you want to make a point do it in clear modern English with at least a middle school level of structure.
I'm sorry, you might find that to be meaningful and relevant but it's nearly incomprehensible to me.
>God pretty clearly states his intentions to love you. In fact even so much as calling us the Bride of Christ.
I'm not so sure, and those are all just fragments of stuff without the full context. It could literally be someone quoting something not to say.
Me (1):
1 God loves you,
2 Never say that it makes god sad.
"God love you," -Me 1:1
What impossible shit is he trying to make you believe. Can you provide some examples from scripture? Maybe I can provide a better explanation.
Not every account of Jesus written by people that were actually (or to the standard of the day allegedly) there had their writings included.
>There is a reason why the books that got chosen were chosen.
It's not because those people were not present it's because what they wrote about didn't fit the narrative.
“But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:8
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” John 3:16
I mean John knew Jesus our god personally. Gunna take his word for it niggah.
The problem with these threads is it always gets taken one step further by Christians. It's never a simple debate of "is there a 'creator' or not?", it's "is there a sky rapist who was popularize in the west only 1000 years ago who says you are sinful and sent a guy down to get nailed to a wooden board - or not?"
I don't know why so many Christians can't understand this ridiculous leap between the potential debate of there being a creator, to "and the creator is exactly the one I think it is!" and why that makes people tip their fedoras at them
how about this shit
Which books do you have trouble with maybe I can provide some explanation for why they were chosen.
Faith is to believe in something. Even if you can't see are feel it.
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A Jewish one. God/Gods want you to figure out riddles in my opinion not believe nonsense.
Sounds like someone who is going to run for the democratic party this election