What did God mean by "us"

Some think it was "Elohim". Which included the Angels, creations of God. Others thing the Trinity. God the Father. Jesus (Logos/Divine Actor/He) the Word in physical form to be, and the Holy Spirit.

men think so much alike we dont even need each other to be there as long as were kind of high and on a roll thinking
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The original hebrew old testament has "let us elohim make adm in our image". Note, adm (adam) is not the hebrew word for man, woman human, etc. Also, elohim is plural, meaning multiple equal deities. Judaism, and by extension christianity and islam are henotheistic religions, not monotheistic. They choose one of the elohim as the lord of Israelites and he tells them to put him before the other elohim. The other elohim still exist though.

Something like this, it refers to when aliens were genetically engineering humans. The fruit in the creation myth is actually the orgasm. Also kundabuffer.

It's too long to get into, but I know I've seen an 6 or so page infographic explaining it posted around here.

This asinine assertion that the Trinity concept existed back in Jew times astounds me. Instead of retroactively forcing the bible to fit your superstitious worldview, just read the damn thing.

"Adam" was a plurality.

"Esh, Ha'Adam" was THE Man.

I think you got the wrong passage

>For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.'"

I didn't make that fucking assertion. I stated what APOLOGETICS debate. We've been arguing this shit for fucking centuries.

It is not as clear but Jesus makes several appearances in the old testament

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The trinity concept existed in the earliest hindu texts, doesn't get older than that. It's very important, but not meant to be taken at face value. It is the nature of God.

Are adam different from humans? I've always wondered if adm meant jews. Especially since when adam and eve leave the garden of eden they encounter already established human settlements.

Demiurge

the "us" in the creation and tower of babel stories refer to the original pantheon of gods, the elohim. as the religion evolved yahweh went from being a mere tribal god to being the greatest of gods to being the god of all gods to being the only god there ever was period.

There are multiple cases to be made for Jesus pre-existing before his revelation in human form, in the Old Testament.

There are also cases of it NOT being so. We've been arguing this shit for fucking centuries. Nobody know who the fuck is running things.

Not exactly. It was CAIN who was exiled to the land of NOD.

'Adam' means to be red or to blush. Only people with fair skin can do this i.e. whites. Whites were created in the image of God. The other "races" are animals that evolved from apes.

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interesting

>There are also cases of it NOT being so.
show me one

Please tell me you're trolling?
It's obvious, God the Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit. The three that are one.

It's like when a monarch refers to themselves as "we", nothing spectacular.

>Hurr the first time man talked about it or wrote about was when it existed.
The Trinity has always been and always will be.

Jews are descendants of cain, descendants of seth will save this world.

yes. you have to read this like a jew to get it. they believe that god created the "beasts of the field" before adam. when cain was banished he took his wives from the goyim that already existed in nod, not from his sisters.

It's your first clue.
The Old Slavonic Bible had it one step further and said "and the Gods Said; let us".
It was plural from the very beginning.

what was it before there was no "the son"?

Father, son and holy spirit. He was talking to the versions of him that exists outside of space/time.

It is from the original lines in the sumerian tales it was copied from, in which enki, enlil et al made the adamu in their image...

There always was a son

I want you to explain to me what you think the meaning of those words and the trinity in general is.

Only man was created in the image of God, woman wasn't. Woman was created from a part of man to be a an assistant to man.

>trying to understand the deep hidden meanings of the words
>in an English version of the Bible
lmao retard, learn Hebrew first

Jewish scripture and Old Testament didn't teach the Trinity "God". But the arguments and debates are based on verbs and tense. He/It/plural/singular. It was always assumed "God" was One, with a mode of plurality being assumed possible but still One.

Then you have other scriptures which don't add up such as a ":Lord" walking and talking with people. Yet NO Man was allowed to see God. Moses did for a split second and he was burnt and disfigured.

So none of it adds up.

I always thought that meant niggers.

The form of the son always existed in the pleroma, but the son is more about the logos become flesh. I will get more into it if you want, but I'm waiting on something.

>So none of it adds up.
no man was allowed to see the father
Jesus was walking and talking with people

Enki and the lesser gods that we call Angels?

Could God be a collective consciousness?

Exactly. Which is why I've lean toward a trinity. Because a "ONE" God refutes the Old Testament itself. Who was the "Lord" that walked and spoke with humans?

If you call lizard men "angels"

um... wha?
if there was nothing before genesis...
you sound pretty sure of yourself

It's the Trinity. One God in three persons.

Both of you are forgetting that The Holy Spirit is also mentioned mentioned in Genesis.
" In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. ..."

It's the style of the translation. "We" or "Us" used to refer to a singular and powerful entity is referred to as the "Royal We," or the "Majestic Plural."

It is. It's the first principle, everything emanates from it. By attempting to understand it's infinity, it creates limits and other for context. Hell is separation from god.

>Royal WE
AYO HOL UP

Christ is also in this passage, Christ is the word, so when God said " Let there be light: and there was light..." That was Christ speaking.

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No I didn't. 3 distinct entities are laid out in the very beginning of Genesis. It's literally the opening passages.

God is from northern England confirmed

Which is weird because "Logos" is a HE, masculine. Who the fuck is Jesus really?

God's GMPC.

And everyone this is the problem with talking with unbelievers. They do not believe it to be true so they interpret everything as having been derived from or originated from man.

The angels?

Since that one guy isn't going to answer, I'll give you all the basic gestalt on what the trinity is getting at.

To put it bluntly and lazily, the father is the transcendental prime mover beyond reality as we understand it, the son is the logos become flesh (god in the form of incarnate beings), and the holy spirit is like the bridge between the two.

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He is who man was made in the image of.

niggers were pretty much nonentities in OT times. with very few exceptions everything in the OT deals with various sandnigger tribes.

>the belief that multiple gods existed, but that the abrahamic God was Superior to all of them was the prevailing belief at the time
That's the prevailing belief now too, except we know they are demonic entities.

Basically this bruh.

>It is from the original lines in the sumerian tales it was copied from, in which enki, enlil et al made the adamu in their image...
I wonder if this had some influence on the writing.

You surprise, i thought you were going to do the tired try and bait me into a trap where you link some Victorian period philosophers works and then spam checkmate at me.

"Who is like you, O Lord, amongst the gods who are worshipped?"

Jesus is the archetype of material incarnation and ascension. The word become flesh. The logos become flesh. The divine order of the universe manifesting itself in material life.

To look at it more topically, it's basically the ancients trying to tell us that we are the results of the laws of this universe, a subset of which we understand right now as the laws of physics.

does not compute logically

It wasn't copied from that, just because man recorded something doesn't mean that was it's origin. GOD has always existed, when Adam and Eve were exiled from the garden obviously they would tell there children, who would tell their children. Until it got the point it was perverted with whole,pantheons etc.

>The Trinity has always been and always will be.
You don't KNOW that, it's just your belief. It might be correct, or it could be wrong.

But what is baffling is that Jesus became "flesh" before he was Jesus. According to the Old Testament itself. So was he always? Is he able to bridge immortality and mortality? The Bible literally is suggesting so.

The royal we. The royal we, or majestic plural, is the use of a plural pronoun to refer to a single person who is a monarch. The more general word for the use of a we, us, or our to refer to oneself is nosism.

Oh, I'm not like that, I just actually wanted to see where you come from on this. So, do you like my gestalt or does it nor quite line up with your beliefs? I'm actually here because I like autistically widdling away with these ideas.

God and the Angels, or perhaps just because God is multiple persons.

If it was originally written in English, this would be a good interpretation. But we know the word it came from, and there is no royal we in sumerian.

JESUS
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD

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The Annunaki.

Haven't you investigated the Sumerian texts that the bible is based on?

Elohim in the most basic sense is a term used to refer to any being existing in the heavens, or in the realm outside the physical. If you separate the universe into physical and spiritual, it means anything in the spiritual plane.

Elohim in the plural mentioned in that part where God says ‘let us’ are referring to what some passages call the ‘Sons of God,’ or what we mislabel as angels. ‘Angel’ is but a job title, essentially meaning messenger. The grammar of the verse changes however, when It says that God created man in his image. It’s essentially God saying “hey, let’s do this” but he goes and does it. There is no co-equal in this, it was essentially him informing his other children, “Elohim” plural, that he was gonna do something.

I’d suggest that you look into the topic of the Table of Nations and it being divided by the number of the sons of God, that being 70. Each of those 70 was a member of his council at the time and given custody of each of the 70 initially split nations from the Babel incident. They in turn eventually became corrupt, either furthering the practice that the Watchers started and creating more offspring that became the Anakim, or beings similar to what the Babylonians knew in Gilgamesh, or leading the nations astray to worship them instead of care taking them for God.

Thus God created the original Israelites and nation of Israel (not to be mistaken with modern Israel) to clean up the mess of his children, and eventually lead to the coming of Christ who would reunite the nations that were split or disinherited at Babel.

Well like I said in another post, something like the platonic form of the son exists in the pleroma, and we just saw the shadow of that form as jesus, but I don't think the point is that it's just Jesus, Jesus is the model, the guide we should follow. We are all the children of god, we are all the logos become flesh.

The allegory of the cave is deeper than it is generally read into, if you understand other platonic concepts it it's literally a metaphor for how material life works. The pleroma's shadow is where we are, what we see are an abstraction of the forms, the forms are transcendental..

Few more woke than plato.

Well no the first time he became flesh was when he was born as a man. Before that he had a Heavenly body. One that could still interact with man, such as walking and talking in the garden, wrestling with Jacob, Melchizedek, etc.

That doesn't make sense. Jesus himself said NO man can see "God". And Moses was disfigured from a glimpse. How did "God" walk and talk with people in some instances, but then needed to be "made" Jesus for the entire New Testament? The Bible leans toward the theory that Jesus was in form BEFORE he was Jesus.

God and the Angels who existed before man

There are a lot of answers in this thread, but this is the truth:

In Semitic languages, someone of great importance refers to themselves in the plural (we, us). I study Hebrew and Arabic.

This user and his digits get it, check.
Is Ra El?

Moses literally caught a glimpse of God and was disfigured. This doesn't stack up to the "Lord" who walked, talked, and literally ate with people.

God and his fellow godform developers. God did not make this place singlehandedly, he had the help of many other sovereign beings.

Yeah he's definitely more than what is apparent.

The Annunaki, who later became one God in deuteronomy

I was going to say that it was the Trinity. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. It never occurred to me that he could have been speaking to his angelic host. I think that's an interesting take.

But it was based on the Sumerian. Do you study that?
These writings were nicked from earlier ones by the jews. It's that simple.

Moses wasn't disfigured by seeing God, his face was horned with light.

And the Old Testament is full of God appearing in the form of a person; foreshadowing the incarnation of God in the flesh Jesus Christ.

what youre saying is heretical and baseless, god all over the Old Testament states that he is one and there is no one besides him

You are referring to the German explaining how childbirth pain proves this, because without the context of sexuality that quote makes no sense. It refers to sapience and morality, though, not the orgasm.

Judaism was a polytheistic religion based upon a Midian bull god cult and Canaanite paganism. 90% of Jow Forums either doesn't know this or refuses to acknowledge it because they're from reddit.

The truth is heretical.

Well, one of the Ten Commandments is "thou shalt not have any gods before me." Note that it DOESN'T say "There are no other gods". It seems to pretty clearly imply there ARE others, and you'd better not worship them, or else.

Besides, if God was the only one, there would be no reason to call it a "He". It would have no need for a gender.