The arguement for accelerationism is a hard one to argue against. You don't want this to continue and stop while you can but you don't want to overdo it and practically hand the keys of humanity's fate into their hands itself.
The problem with accelerationism is that you have to keep both the acceleration towards the collapse and goyim knowing stable. If you accelerate too fast before they can know than the people will be susceptible to fall into the hands of the Bolshevik hordes. So when it comes to accelerationism we must draw a line at >What will work and >What will overrun us Meaning that what will be too much of a direct shot to the heart to cause it to burst. Since that is what accelerationism is essentially, an adrenaline shot to the heart to wake up the populace.
ITT: We draw the line between what would help us and what would be our overdose
>Since that is what accelerationism is essentially, an adrenaline shot to the heart to wake up the populace.
I genuinly want collapse tho. It's the only way we'll ever get something better. We need to start fresh. Hopefully we can finally take care of (((them)))
Easton Allen
Anything that discredits democracy and or the economy is a good thing. This is why I am voting Trudeau.
Julian Cruz
> inb4 voting is pointless
Anthony Mitchell
You're absolutely right and I want it too, but we must realize how much is too much? If we full throttle it we could drive off the edge and not bail ourselves
Jacob Anderson
>ITT: We draw the line between what would help us and what would be our overdose Here is your line: in whatever arena you engage your enemy in (politics, religion, society, war, etc.) sow as much discord in his camp as possible without agitating too much and having it spill over into your own. Accelerationism and the ideals of the NRx work only when stability in the organic social structures that found the fundamental building blocks of non-semitic culture are maintained while the constructs of control are torn down through the appearance of chaos. I say appearance because the goal is not to actually cause widespread death and destruction and return to Spengler's preculture, but instead to recapture control through the destruction of the failed corporate states and the Semitic elites that lend their power to the continuation of the current paradime.
>wake up the populace Will unironically never, ever, never fucking happen. Never. There are still whites in South Africa crying over the "mistreatment" of niggers and racism. Whites are fucking finished because we've become dysgenic. We're going to become a much smaller population, most of our genetic lines won't make it, but those that do will be an conglomeration of the traits geared for survival.
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Nathaniel Wright
>The argument for accelerationism is a hard one to argue against.
No it's not. Accelerationism risks a whig kind of view of history, just one where it's progressive in your way instead of the liberal way. It assumes that if you accelerate things that the end result (the phoenix from the ashes) will be in your favor.It's remarkably like the turn of the century marxists who favored accelerating towards the proletariat global revolution versus those who favored strenghtening the proletariat within the system. The former believed if you gave the adrenaline shot to the masses they would rise up in revolt. It didn't happen. It's even rather similar to the 'management of savagery' philosophies of Al-Qaeda/ISIS that felt if they stewed enough chaos people would support them. Instead people regretted rebelling against Assad or Mubarak and welcomed the return of strongmen, not Islamists.
I'm sure it'll work for you this time though. This time acceleration will work. This time the masses, the sheepel, will finally wake up. Didn't work every other time people tried it but EVROPA pagan larpers will succeed.
Nicholas Turner
>the goal is not to actually cause widespread death and destruction and return to Spengler's preculture It's not?
Luis Jones
You make a very compelling point. But at what level can we make the distinction between as you said, sowing discord and it spilling over. Something for the example of voting democrat, which kinds should we put in, should we even do it? Do we all write in Pat Little or Hulk Hogan or not even vote. That's what I'm trying to tackle, among other ones
In SA most whites are at least woke on race realism and niggers. The almighty does not help he who cannot help himself!
Christian Sanchez
Then what would be your choice? We obviously cannot vote our way out. Accelerationism seems to be working (somewhat) in Europe. Countries either woke up like France or saw what was happening like Poland and Hungary and fought back or are fighting back. Sure they may not exactly be total 1488 but they're doing more than we are.
Kayden Wood
Have you heard of the analogy of a frog in a pot of water that is heating up to a boil? That's the best argument for accelerationism. Look where we started in say... 1850 and look where we've ended up. We're sliding down this funhouse ramp to hell inch by inch, and the baby steps are small enough they dont upset to common man enough to revolt. We're heading towards the marxists madhouse whether the left or the right wins, but *maybe* itll wake people up, the change will be too jolting. It's worth a shot because it's the only thing that has a chance of working. Again, look how far we've fallen since 1950. Hell, look how far we've fallen since the turn of the millennium. Gays used to be taboo. Now we have tranny children prostitutes (Desmond) and abortion is fucking celebrated.
Jaxson Thomas
The progression into brown nationalism and white wealth redistribution is going to happen regardless of any of our opinions on the correct course of action. Acceleration is just an acknowledgment that the looming and irreversible demise is indeed real and just several years away. We've run out of the necessary time, power, influence, and will to change to course. So if it is indeed coming no matter our actions, what can we do to maximize saving whites? We need an "Obama Effect", but on steroids.
>Accelerationism and the ideals of the NRx >NRx Is that Neo-Reaction, user? all fucking commies must fucking hang
Mason King
That's what the 2016 election was. The kikes knew if Hillary won, the alt right would go through what the right wing did in 08. Groups from 3% to even the Klan surged in membership and were arming themselves for the coming NWO/RaHoWa. If Hillary had won, exact same thing would have happened only with WNs and NS.
using YOUR analogy of the frog in water? there's no point in cranking up the heat to HIGH BOIL because the frog dies as soon as it touches the water instead of being able to jump out.
Chase Sanders
>Accelerationism fuck you kike
Isaiah Davis
good point but dont forg3t most of th3 p3opl3 who would fall into that cat3gory would b3 b00m3rs so, fuck 3m.
That is an even tougher question. The translation from idea to action is always difficult. In my own view I think the next logical step is the organization of organic subculture groups based around a few strong tenets lays the way for organization between factions with like minded views. Ironically political engagement on this platform is a pretext to exactly that. Cultural reorganization is the main goal here and it paves the way for not only a voting block that can influence politics, but also a increase in the density of such people in real society, leaving to physical community forming. That threshold is the next major step in the accelerationist agenda, raising the density of actual supporters in real life and forming regular organizations.
Yes.
>It's not? It is defiantly one way of going about the process, but that transition (according to Spengler) is something like 200 years. I could be remembering that wrong but the timeframe that he gives is more than one lifetime for the cycle to bring us back to where we want to be. It's a reset by going forward. This is my opinion now, but I think that similar mechanics can be Shanghai'd into working quicker with the aid of mass media, publishing and other forms of concentrated political socialization (ie. Violence, assassinations, propogandizing, et al).
Accelerationism has stages. The first is defeating the Jewish Lobby in America, Zionism, and pro-Israel sentiments. Nu-Democrats like Omar should be supported for this reason. Once anti-Zionism is accepted and no longer considered "racist," then open-border Democrats must be allowed to do their job by opening our borders and forcing whites to acknowledge and fight their genocide. Without first attacking Israel the second stage opens the door to foreign intervention and the spread of Bolshevism. Support Gabbard and all politicians who expose Israel. These are the only two stages Jow Forums needs to know at this time.
Exactly we must maintain the balance of the gentiles awakening with that of the levels of accelerations. And we do need to at least set a basis for forming groups. Well regulated meant just that, each militia in every state understanding a basic level of the ideology. But what can we do to erode the trust in the government fast enough to get what we want without overdoing it. Aside from obviously continuing to slowly show it to the masses, as we've been able to radically shift the overton window as it is. In Pierces time they believed career killing words like "nazi" and "racist" would continue on. Rather instead not only dying out but becoming a meme, with words like "White Nationalist" and "Alt Right" taking their place and even then. In the 90s getting labelled a "fascist" "Nazi" etc was a career killer.
No we don't go backwards in time that far, we maintain modernity like Germany did just toss out all the degenerate shit.
Chase Kelly
I think it is pointless, but I still vote for nationalist parties though, just in case voting can actually lead to more than minor changes
Angel Young
See now that's the problem, these are people who only rebelled against Israel because of Palestine and Muslims who are still our enemies. The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. They're already passing laws making it illegal to criticize Israel, once that is firmly set if it hasn't already then people like Omar aren't as effective. The only way you get away with anti semitic shit masquerading as anti zionism in a Palestinian protest is to hang out with the muslims dudes. And even then. They may have a similar goal but we can't embrace politicians who want to open our borders to the ME and Africa warmly.
Owen Jenkins
I mean for you idk. AfD looks kinda cucked, Germany was rewired hard with the Equality Uber Alles crap.
Landon Lewis
>They're already passing laws making it illegal to criticize Israel And with Muslims like Omar calling them out the People are beginning to turn against Israel. >pic related Stage one is turning public opinion against Israel... not fighting Mudslimes or anything else. Second stage is turning public opinion against ethnic replacement. In both only the nu-Democrats can accomplish this. Third stage is fighting both Zionists and Communists, fourth is the spread of National Socialism, fifth is it's acceptance, sixth is creating a NatSoc America, and the 7th taking the world.
Yeah but the only reason she hasn't been chased out is because she's a poc. Had even a white woman said it they would have been removed from office.
>Not fighting Muslims You can't promote the welfare of Europeans and ignore the muslim problem. Yes we're mainly focusing on America in a Rockwell style but ignoring the suffering our brothers across the pond have gone under, knowing we would have too had we not revolted against the British. Yoru plan is good, and we need to approach it with an America Uber Alles approach, but we cannot simply ignore the Muslim problem.
>Yeah but the only reason she hasn't been chased out is because she's a poc. Had even a white woman said it they would have been removed from office. True. Have you noticed American Jews are supporting her anti-Israel position? It's being normalized and soon whites will not be condemned as racist for saying the same things. >You can't promote the welfare of Europeans and ignore the muslim problem. Yes but the Muslim problem is not greater than the Jewish problem, and right now Muslims are useful in exposing the masses to the JQ. They're just pawns on Jow Forums's chessboard. Remember that these same Muslims and Democrats will later open our borders, which will force European-Americans to fight:
>Zionism >White Genocide >Islam >Communism They're shooting themselves in the foot. This is good. >we need to approach it with an America Uber Alles approach, but we cannot simply ignore the Muslim problem. Totally agree
There is nothing holding you back from succeeding you defeatist faggot. My God/pol is full of whiney fucking victims. Every faggot that subscribes to this idea of defeatist flip the board up bullshit should tie the noose and an hero
Tyler Smith
>ignoring the suffering our brothers across the pond have gone under I haven't forgotten. Who fucking could? Mudslimes in America are a very small minority that are much of a problem because we were allowed, even encouraged, to hate them for a long time after 9/11 to make sure Israel had fervent goyim to fight their battle. The Somali bitch does infinitely more good than harm when she whips the entire establishment into a frenzy. The only two things we can not afford to cede any ground on are the 1st and 2nd amendments.
>Kikes supporting her Not really, only the left wing harpies and you don't want them. They're just trying to align themselves now and settles roots early so they can hijack the message and make it as Kosher and Israeli ass kissing as possible while barely passing off as "censorship" while the others will howl antisemitism. Just like they did with the maga right
>Muslims are pawns Yes but they are very violent and more cunning. Black Israelites, Muslims, etc are useful but at a distance and when they're attacking the Jew. When they turn on you it gets bad and that's what the Jew is currently experiencing Start reading anything from Rockwell and Pierce. Listen to the Rockwell audio tapes on youtube it's really a good way to radicalize yourself. He's good at it but he still maintains his humanity.
Brayden Jones
>hijack the message and make it as Kosher and Israeli ass kissing as possible while barely passing off as "censorship" while the others will howl antisemitism. I don't see that happening at all. Omar's anti-Zionism is being defended and the difference because anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism promoted in the media.
Chase Flores
>between
Daniel Mitchell
Actual short term action? Organize. I would like to see a anonymous p2p messaging system and fourm hybrid that could become a local thing. At this point the kettle is already starting to whistle and there is no plan by anybody significant to try and stop the boil over.
Yeah but the entire congress had that 424-0 vote they pulled on her. That's an obvious warning, dems may turn on her, the only reason they haven't is because their own programming tells them that means align with Trump
Samuel Gonzalez
Yeah because she is a poc and a muslim. So we sympathize with the "imperialist Israel" but when you press liberals, the non radical or hardcore ones say things like >I don't like what Israel does but I support them >Muh two state solution! Which is the problem because they are the useful idiots we need who can stir the twitter mobs into a frenzy
Wyatt Taylor
These faggots are pathetic, what's even more sad is that/poltards don't recognize their propaganda and circle jerk each other in their own shit. (((Accelerationists))) post contrarian/pol garbage like bbc, Yang, race mixing, and anti gun threads to rustle jimmies, and the fucking brainlets that browse the board fall for it every time. >B bb but they're coordinating bumps to keep the threads alive! Bull shit. I see >Shill! >Sage! >Shall not infringe Replies on every one of them.
Accelerationism will not work, only expedite your demise. If the Jew throws so much weight upon you that you're unable to stand, what makes you think adding more weight won't break your legs? It your seriously advocate accelerationism you are only aiding your enemy. That is if there's any difference between you two, I suspect the proponents of this tactic are in fact fucking Jews trying to trick the goyim into doing their dirty work.
Protip: stop larping like you're Moldbug it Nick Land. You're not some political prodigy, you're not the savior of the Aryan spirit, You're nothing. Stop being fags and kill yourselves for being a kike puppet, the rest of us would benefit.
Asher Sanders
I've seen that already happening with groups
Joseph Russell
Sure. Omar started the fire and soon non-poc can attack Israel without worry. She's already shifting public opinion.
Accelerate everything that causes harm to the system, while protecting everything that is beneficial to our people.
I've seen people arguing for acceleration by opening the borders, for an example of a moronic application of accelerationism.
Sustain our communities, families, and racial health, while doing what we can to collapse detrimental institutions such as academia, media, government, and the economy.
Austin Phillips
>Yang chinks advocate accelerationism No they don't, that's just what they say when they get cornered and don't have an argument. Yang is an overdose that would DEFINITELY fuck us up. If you don't like it what is your solution, nobody ever gives me one aside from waiting or voting for GOP cuckservatives
Oliver King
Correction, that's what most people wanted it to be, but it didn't quite happen cleanly enough. Just woke more people up for good or for bad. Plus, the election had more effect on the (((facebook))) crowd, which was already quite deplorable desu.
I don't want to act on Omar just yet. We haven't had many real protests like we used to have in the election days and the years after that. I want to see what happens when protests and riots start happening more as the 2020 elections come.
I disagree, the alt right was growing and the alt lite was desperately trying to sever it's ties to the alt right. Had Trump lost the alt lite would have withered away and died or been absorbed by the alt right. They would have been seen as ineffective pussies which some ultimately were
>j-just keep voting Republican, goys! The Jew fears Accelerationism.
Jack Parker
Nice guy national socialist. Help so many of your people that they will listen and help you. Leave the cities and leave them to rot.
Hudson Johnson
But again, what should we do then? Voting is obviously not going to work. If a dem can barely get away with criticizing Israel, anyone in the GOP who criticized Israel would be absolutely crucified
Cameron Smith
it has more to do with wider cycles of civilization, there is a perennial idea of a golden age dawning after the collapse of a decadent one, this is best encapsulated by the idea of four yugas. Smashing out the feet of clay as it were.
Carson Green
user don't fall for the >No u Anymore kike
Angel Campbell
Vote Yang Gang 2020 he'll run the economy into the ground with his gibs and then you will have your collapse.
If you destroy white society to "rebuild", the rebuilding process will last centuries, and in the meantime we will be islamic slaves. Like history. You dumb fucks listening to stupid zionist controlled opposition like TRS, AR, DS... Accelerationism is peak retardation.
Ryan Thompson
>Canada >literally a Chinese state The gibs you need is a rake.
Thanks for that excerpt, maybe they are a little more rational than I give them credit for.
Adam Flores
Then what should we do? What would you propose. It has some weight, it'd be the equivalent of driving the vehicle off the cliff and bailing out, the question is how can we >gain enough control to pull it off >how fast >when do we want to bail >and can we make sure the car goes over and not turn on us. Meaning can we do it enough to achieve amount of people needed to get to levels like in France of how it was in Weimar were enough of a population knew they were being corrupted to cushion and support right wing opposition.
Parker Davis
You should. He spammed his shitty fucking infographs and turned/pol against the only people that would speak for them. I don't give a fuck who it is, if they promote pro white messages they have my endorsement. The minute they cross or subvert that message they die. This kike moarpheus went on an intentional slander brigade that was probably sponsored by mossad, and cut the fucking steam right out of an actual physical, real world movement that looked pretty fucking promising. There were people marching in the streets and reciting the 14 words, there was word and media promoting ethnostate and liebensraum, now it's gone. Do you think there's more of us now than ever? Because it sure fucking feels like we've fallen back into the shadows and it's because of (((accelerationism)))
Asher Ross
>Zionists and bolsheviks obviously that isnt ok but the image you posted is a strong argument, accelerationism is retarded.
Lincoln Sullivan
If by rational you mean Jewish controlled opposition, then yes.
The argument you posted is not irrational, though I dont respect TRS or DS themselves because they are obvious controlled opposition, I agree.
Daniel Parker
Who was he?
Hunter Edwards
>waaaaah moarpheus turned Jow Forums against Zionist and Communist ecelebs
>the image you posted is a strong argument I'll post three arguments in favor of Accelerationism. Feel free to counter them without using pilpul or deflection if possible. Here's #1
Stop getting subverted by appeals to your pride. In other words, stop larping like neo nazis, accept the "alt light" as the mainstream palatable bridge to the right that it is, stop following zionist pied pipers that want you to present to the mainstream as nothing but nazis. Hell even consider SEX CRUSADE, the domination of non white women within the west to the point they become pro white voters, pro white propagandists, with the eventual end of voting non white immigration into irrelevance. It can be done.
Anthony Lee
Just give me my marching orders already. Beam them into my head with your binary code pulsed radiowaves. Or give them to me through the captchas again.
>without pilpul You just cant argue without falling behind "muh kikes" If you're actually arguing for destroying white society, you're a legit fucking retard. Dont post your walls of text, actually make a coherent argument if you want to be seen as anything other than a faggot shill seeding retardation, queerboy.
Kevin Murphy
The true redpill tho. To take out the jew you also need to take America down. Like the matrix. Those plugged in are enemies too.
Jason Perez
>If you're actually arguing for destroying white society That is not the position is any of the three arguments I presented. You have resorted to deflection. Let me know when you can counter my actual arguments found here:
Until then, Jow Forums is an Accelerationist board.
>Hey guys to destroy kikes you must destroy yourselves t. muslim
Carson Cook
I don't accept the alt lite. I completely agree they are subverters, none of them advocated accelerationism in fact they went against that by being "critical" of the GOP but defending virtually any republican. I know that can be done, it's easier to convince a pro palestinian of the JQ or a nog of racial differences than many centrists and conservatives.
You are an absolutely insufferable fucking Jew, I bet you clack those keys with that fucking hooked nose of yours.
Blake Rivera
Okay but then and again, what is the alternate solution? Voting does not work, what other choices do we have?
Liam Myers
>Jow Forums is an accelerationist board t. fucking reddit
Yeah opening borders and making sure whites are outnumbered 10:1 in their own homes while the left still leaches brainlets and all other white nations fall into similar incapability, what a recipe for success! You're a fucking retard. Make your actual arguments if you have some, posting a few pictures then sticking your head up your ass doesnt impress anyone but yourself.
And why dont you accept the alt lite? Do you want to remain obscure? Maybe you're proud enough to think you can just turn the mainstream nazi. Following that zionist path used by countless failures in the past.
This thread is nothing but reddit, TRS, AR, DS tier faggots larping as if they are Jow Forums while posting shit like fucking spongebob and thinking they are not newfags because they are from 2013-14, fucking kek.
Juan Robinson
Tell me the story about the boiling frogs moarpheus? Or the scorpion? Please explain to the anons your premise and tactic
Evan Wood
You can't counter my arguments and now you're throwing a temper tantrum. Have you considered that my success in spreading Accelerationism and defeating the Alt-Kike is due to your own inability to properly defend your positions?
Look st the Marxist uprising in Germany before the fascist took power.
The red were very close to gaining control. But the democratic system prevented it, since the left at the time was unorganized.
Ryder Perez
You can see my tactic explained here:
Feel free to counter my tactic.
Lincoln Miller
Why would I want to accept the alt lite? Not only did it collapse awhile back and became irrelevant but it was cringey. I'm not saying go full 1488 Timmothy McTurner, however our attempts at things like Jared Taylor, seem to kind of work and kind of not work. I can't honestly tell at this point.
Want to explain your actual point, faggot? Are you capable? Because it seems like all you do is throw around OC of headlines with obscure implications and call it a day, meanwhile everyone else is able to articulate their actual points
So why is accelerationism based when its resulted in germany becoming non white in one generation? How are they to recover from that? Or are you gloating as the anti white shill you are?
Aaron Brown
Okay but what your proposing seems to be more of ODing. And many of those countries were in more economic despair or just were genuinely more known to be corrupt like Rome.
