† /csg/ Christianity General: Conquering Addiction Edition / Day 2 of Lent Updates /csg/ †

There is one god, one origin point. The language used does not matter.

based and BABELpilled
(dem diggies)

According to creation science the Great Flood took place in 2300 BC

creation.com/the-date-of-noahs-flood

This is right about the same time as the Akkadian Empire was at it's peak, during the reign of Sargon of Akkad (the real one).
This is also just a few hundred years after the construction of the Pyramids

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The dates in the bible should not be taken literally as most of the written text was based upon oral traditions.

sorry, the Bible itself says it is the absolute unchanging word of God

and 10's of millions of people believe this as well

>Richard "I Wanna Try Human Meat" Dawkins
nationalreview.com/corner/richard-dawkins-eating-human-meat-cannibalism-taboo/

Where do the prayer request originate from?

I'm doing good so far on not watching porn. I'm not counting what I see on Jow Forums, i just won't stare or pay attention to them.

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Taking the bible super literally is what led to the Catholic church splintering so much. Look instead towards the Eastern Orthodox church, where god is mystical.

I wouldn't either
As long as you keep it from moving your spirit
But I found it was too tempting for myself
At some point, you just have to give yourself from all the desensitizing media
Go outside, get some fresh air and feel God's presence permeating

It's not actually that hard to not do something, but I think that the mind likes to make things more difficult than they need to be
I was in the same spot you are now, last year when I gave up all content sexual in nature.
Essentially hard-mode nofap
Semen retention is very powerful
Rewards greater than you can ever imagine await you
Stay strong user
It gets easier with time

Why would I be interested in a mystical God?
I'm not discounting what you have said, or may offer, but what information do you have to offer me to change my perception of God?
I'm listening

I'm just saying taking the bible super literally and reaching your own conclusions is what led to western Christianity splintering.
The bible should be looked at as if the holy spirit was put into words, through a lenses of mysticism.

lens*

I've had a lot of successes since finding god.

I've reduced my sugar intake to just about none.

The same with caffeine intake.

I've reduced the number of times I masturbate to once every 2-3 days.

I've started going to the gym again.

I'm learning programming through a video game design program.

I am not participating in lent and I never liked church. I can't stand the bible. I can see the word of god in it but I can also see the intricate web of deceit that human hands wrote.

I'm on great terms with god, and I do talk shit to him. I don't think he cares. I love him as much as he loves me.

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I suppose that's an interesting take on the topic
I guess I'm not sure as to how you define mystical/mysticism

>sugar intake
you mean like extra sugars? soda n shit?
>caffeine intake
good for you, that's a tough one
I've been drinking black coffee, 1-3 cups a day for the past 8 years
>reduction of masturbation
that's another tricky one
I feel like if I just don't emit semen, my willpower increases
I'm white, and I see the it in the form of a healthy hue to my skin
When I emit, I become almost ghost-like, and I appear sickly
That's merely one of the facets where I feel improvement
I suggest you continue and see just how long you can go without any interaction
>gyming
Great, love to hear it
go get Jow Forums lots of great articles, but a fair amount of bullshit to sift through
>programming
great to have a hobby to explore
>not participating in Lent
and a whole man would never need to
It is viewed as a time of self-reflection, penitence, and self-denial
I, personally, am using it as a catalyst for radical transformation of habits which I normally can't seem to break without the assistance of God
>can't stand the Bible
I can't really blame you there
There are quite a few people who seek to adulterate its content and message
It seems to me now, that it is better to venture on your own and allow God to reveal to you his message in studies in your own personal time
>I don't think he cares
I think to a certain extent you're right
But I do think he cares about you
and if you think he doesn't, then you're wrong
I'd cite the Bible, but you won't believe that either
Imagine, if you had a child, what would you want for them?
The best, right?

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Well I mean the bible was based on the recollection of Jesus's disciples, to take small details that differ between different versions/translations of the same text and come to multiple interpretations is what happened to western Christianity that led to protestant division. Christianity is weakened as a whole because Christians have a tendency to infight.
God should be viewed as something mystical, so should the bible. It's a book of human life lessons.

I think that to a certain extent the infighting helps Christianity out as a whole
Having mates to spar with is important for strengthening one's resolve
And if you fail, then your resolve wasn't strong enough

ooh off by one
reroll

Fuck off /leftypol/
SAGE

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How could you come to that conclusion if you objectively look at the state western societies are in today?
Don't get me wrong. There are times when the Catholic church went over the line in the past and should have been called out on it.

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oh the Estonian's back, I see
I have no idea who made that post, and what is was referring to, hell, I don't even know what that board that was posted on.
>memes in the works
I really don't have many christian memes, or even political memes for that matter

My Christianity General's are here for to help lift the burden, and to introduce discourse regarding religion and the Lenten season. This season is especially arduous, and my aim is to serve my fellow man.

Moreover, what would raiding Jow Forums with /csg/'s really accomplish when we have like 17 YANG GANG threads that the mods allow?
If you don't like it, just don't post. Please? Thank you.

I am giving up masturbation and chocolate
I fapped on Wednesday and I'm binging on chocolate chips now, I know it sounds weird but it's my last goodbye with them.
I'm in a ton of pain right now and chocolate is quite an effective painkiller.

I am a methodist
Methodists are seen as nearly the most progressive all the sects
behold:
catholicnewsagency.com/news/as-lgbt-push-fails-methodists-reaffirm-marriage-sexuality-teachings-99630
even the LGBT push from the (((Reconciling Ministries Network))) failed
I have faith
I think arguing among ourselves keeps us strong, even divided/separated when push comes to shove, we are unified in our love for Christ, and our belief in the prophecy

>masturbation
removing the addiction from instant gratification is helpful in my experience
>abstaining from consumption of chocolate
if it assists in pain management, why seek to alter your relationship with it, if I may ask.
>failed on Wednesday
you must keep trying
failure will not suffice

Thank you for writing that. I'm going to try getting a new job and using my time more wisely.

Truth. The Catholic church isn't budging on the trans issue either. There is still light within the church even among the dark scandals.

>t. muslim
I think the world would be better if everyone just believed in a higher power— God

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I've been agnostic for a long time, explaining the unexplainable by saying its karma. last night for shits and giggles I thought to myself "god, jesus, I accept tou in my heart". I felt a weird sensation in my forehead, kinda reminds me of the one time I used dht, and I became a believer overnight. I want to read the old testament, where can I find a good version to read?

I do not wish to live in pain.
So once I am out of pain there will no longer be any need to indulge in chocolate, a mind numbing agent of the Devil!
Masturbation has become miserable and I realized that I needed to force myself to reckon with my impulses in a final moment of self-defeat.

His name is "I am"

Young's Literal Translation has Genesis in the present tense and it is the only version to do this. I don't know Hebrew but evidently some of the language is lost in translation. Often times tenses aren't understood by people who didn't live a language from the beginning. If you have an Android smartphone I recommend And Bible app...it will be near first in your app, and it's FOSS iirc. You can compare translations. Sometimes I like to compare verses that I like between different versions to try to understand the mindset of the interpreter.

app drawer*

Amen to that.
>but also Mohammed is a false prophet, repent and save your soul

I, personally, am a fan of the King James Version
Even in the New International Version, I believe that God will deliver to you the message he wants you to derive from the information before you
Honestly, I would just order one online, and be done with going online for the Bible.
It's one thing to look up verses, but it's another to flip through the actual pages in your hands

Thanks mate
thanks!

Okay, I think I follow now
Good luck on your journey, user
You'll be successful if you want it bad enough

I won't try to assuage anyone one way or the other
The only thing I can do is share my thoughts on the matter
I don't think that Islam represents the same God
I don't think that all religions are valid because they are tradition
I think value is derived from the benefit of the group functioning in society as a whole
Just my two cents

Okay, folks, I am heading off to bed
Please check again in about 19 hours for the next /csg/ and I'll see you there

P.S. Please continue to discuss your concerns, and requests for prayers and continued healing. I will address them in the next thread

>I think value is derived from the benefit of the group functioning in society as a whole
God is good
I think the prophets are born to deliver a message to their people...it makes sense to me that Muslims share their God with myself, a Catholic because I grew up in Silkroad Online where Muslims became my best friends. I admired their dedication to the grind and the helped me in taxi/powerlevel...
One of the saddest things I saw on the internet was an Israeli and a Muslim arguing over Israel in SRO.

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r kelly is innocent the whores just want his money

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>Reminder that God loves you

youre a liar, like all cross worshopers

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You're allowed to be wrong

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Atheist and full blown alcoholic (about a fifth of whiskey a day) here bros. This is a sincere post; feel free to meme and shit on me for laughs but also please reply if you have serious input.

I don't even know really what I want to ask, but I guess I'm trying to find God again. I was basically raised Christian (Catholic schools and Christian family members) and appreciate the values and teachings but I can't accept that a loving God would make us so good at rational thought and then demand we ignore all that to believe in Him or be condemned to eternal damnation.

Also, how do I stop being a drunk? I tell myself before I go to bed drunk that tomorrow I won't drink, but the next day comes and I just tell myself another day won't matter, or I just don't tell myself anything.

What do?

i used to be religious, i was raised religious. I also turned out to be a drunk just like YOU describe here. I did rehab thing, then the AA thing for a couple years, then *poof* nothing. it lasted 15 years dry. my drinking comes and goes after 15 years dry. i know enough to watch it. The biggest thing for me to be dry? was giving up on "money is everything in life". That was apparently my "one big problem" amidst other lesser problems.

i say, find your "one biggest problem" and fix THAT, then maybe you can find success.

PS - the only way to fix being a bad drunk? is to simply NOT DRINK for a very long time, preferably forever. It takes a couple YEARS to actually "Recover" from being a bad drunk. I turned to deep, involving hobbies.

Have some self discipline. Simple as that.
The same way you don't go looting stores, don't drink.
The same way you go shower or shit. Just do it.

brother, I literally used to drink just as much every night
I gained a ton of weight, I lost my girlfriend of four years, I destroyed lots of relationships, said lots of terrible things, and made lots of embarrassing mistakes
if you smoke pot, just smoke a little more instead of drinking
i hate to advocate drugs but it is way better than drinking poison every day
at some point, you need to decide you dont want to die of cyrrhosis and find something to keep you occupied for a couple weeks until you dont even care about not drinking any more
it is a lot easier than people say

as far as religion goes, know that Jesus Christ loves you and wants you to be happy
you have to understand that, while we are capable of rational thought, not one person on the face of the earth knows even one percent of everything
we dont know anything about our own planet, or even the human mind or the brain or dreams
there are quantum computers that apparently receive info from other dimensions... I believe those other dimensions are basically Hell and it is a huge mistake to be messing with it, but we do not live in a rational world and it is extremely irrational to believe that something doesnt exist because we cant see it even though everyone since the dawn of time has for some reason believed in it and had personal life changing experiences from it

Thanks for the input. Can I ask though, was it the rehab and the AA that lead to quitting, or was the *poof* after that? Also, could you elaborate on why the "money is everything" attitude was keeping you drinking?

Thank you. I actually quit smoking pot years ago and my drinking went way up as a result. I don't want to start again and I try to have the attitude you describe, though it's tough to follow through. It helps a lot to read that someone has had similar experiences, so thank you.

For the rest, I realize I wasn't very clear because I was trying to be concise (and probably failed at both); I find it hard to accept that I should believe in something based on the argument that I don't know otherwise. In other words, I can't accept "We don't know, therefore God is real" as an argument (if you'll excuse the insulting oversimplification). Could you link some info on quantum computers and other dimensions if you have it, please?

>>I can't accept that a loving God would make us so good at rational thought and then demand we ignore all that to believe in Him or be condemned to eternal damnation.

Try to remember, as rational and clever as we are, we do not have any real understanding of our world or God's motivations. If you have a dog, the dog may think you are cruel, withholding from him food or access to other dogs. But what the dog doesn't understand that if you gave him more food, he would become fat and sick, and if you let the dog run with the others, he could become hurt or hurt others.

Its about faith, user. Having faith that God does love you, and has a purpose for you, and the suffering that life entails has meaning.

but I too am really struggling with alcohol. I gave up beer for Lent, trying to confront my own addiction, and it is very tough.

I appreciate the attitude and it's been successful with other addictions. In my life I have quit cigarettes, pot, and coke all with that attitude but alcohol apparently has a much stronger grip than they did.

Thank you for your input user. I really left out a lot of detail in my first post regarding what I meant. It's the leap of faith I have trouble justifying. You are 100% right that I could not understand the motives of a loving God, but I have trouble accepting "you don't understand so you must have faith". But you have put it in a way I haven't thought of before, and I have something more to think about, so thank you.

Stay strong with your commitment. I'll be rooting for you.

I understand user, faith is hard. especially in our fallen clown world. we all struggle with this, all the great Christian literature is about this struggle. And faith, or lack of, is such an intensely personal experience, its hard to discuss in words.

my own journey began simply with surrendering my ego and accepting that I do not now nor ever will understand our world or why we are here, but choosing that there is objective good and objective bad to try based on what I do understand. From there, a perspective of humility, love and honor brought me to the Lord.

Good luck on your journey, user. Lets at least not drink together today.

>Revelations 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."
>Revelations 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

Jesus says those who are not real jews bot only pretend to be jews are the "synagogue of satan" aka literally worse than Hitler. This is specified very clearly to avoid having people infiltrate the jews, like they do unto others. Why do you misfits worship a religion that calls you literally worse than Hitler?

Jesus at one point even specifically differentiates between Greeks and jews. So the theory that "Europeans were the real jews" does not hold up at all.
>Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.”
>Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
>He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” ( !!!!! )
>The woman (A GREEK) came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
>He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.”
>“Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”
>Then Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

The woman (a non-jew Greek) is given food only after she compares herself to a begging dog who gets crumbs from the master jews.
You christcucks are incredible, worse than literal cucks. You let jews fuck your country and your soul.

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Thank you, I'll keep your story in mind,

>Lets at least not drink together today.
Deal. If you want, and if there's a thread, I'll post in the Christian general tomorrow to follow up on this.

You'd think with Lent going on there would be less spiteful/hateful posts on Jow Forums but it's business as usual. Funny how that is given the supposed number of upstanding Catholic/Christian users we have here. If I didn't know any better I would have assumed it's all just Larp and virtue signaling.

I want someone to explain the Great Flood to me.

So the Bible provides a list of geneologies and historical events that allow us to get the date of various things described in it. That's how we get the 6000 year old Earth theory.

Well you can also date the Great Flood by similar methods (more accurate too since it's closer to the present), when you do this you get about 2300 BC as the date of the Flood, plus or minus 10 years.

Now, consider that that this would place the Flood right in the middle of the Bronze age, during the height of the Akkadian Empire which at the time was ruled by Sargon of Akkad (ruled from 2334–2284 BC). We have numerous written records and archaeological sources from this time period, we know they used the Eastern Semitic language with cuneiform script.

Just a few hundred years before the Great Pyramids of Giza were built (it took 85 years between 2589 and 2504 BC). We also have historical records for a clear line of succession of Pharaohs from 2600 BC all the way to 1700 BC with other pyramids and monuments being constructed continuously during this time period.

Now if we take the Christians at their word and assume that each of Noah's descendants had 5 children (big assumption), it would take 225 years just to reach 2 million people. So we have to assume that shortly after this time period different races developed, and different languages, customs and religions.

But how is it possible that after being wiped out, Egyptians reappeared with their language and culture totally intact? Or are we forced to completely fuck with our historical timeline to place the Egyptian civilization from beginning around 3000 BC. to beginning around 2000 BC? That's a thousand years unaccounted for now, and we have tablets, records, and calendars that make such an assumption impossible (you can't just take 1000 years out of your timeline!!).

None of this makes any sense to a rational person. How can anyone still believe the Bible?

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