"The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.”
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“Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy then gives them the drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction It is already happening to some extent in our own society. Instead of removing the conditions that make people depressed modern society gives them antidepressant drugs. In effect antidepressants are a means of modifying an individual's internal state in such a way as to enable him to tolerate social conditions that he would otherwise find intolerable.”
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“Those who are most sensitive about "politically incorrect" terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant, abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong to any "oppressed" group but come from privileged strata of society.”
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"The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine."
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Is taking the ted pill the final red pill?
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“There is good reason to believe that primitive man suffered from less stress and frustration and was better satisfied with his way of life than modern man is.”
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It is not possible to make a LASTING compromise between technology and freedom, because technology is by far the more powerful social force and continually encroaches on freedom through REPEATED compromises.
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Its is important, too, to realize that deadly violence among primitives is not even remotely comparable to modern warfare. When primitives fight, two little bands of men shoot arrows or swing war-clubs at one another because they want to fight; or because they are defending themselves, their families, or their territory. In the modern world soldiers fight because they have been brainwashed into believing in some kook ideology such as that of Nazism, socialism, or what American politicians choose to call "freedom". In any case the modern soldier is merely a pawn, a dupe who dies not for his family or his tribe but for the politicians who exploit him. If he's unlucky, maybe he does not die but comes home horribly crippled in a way that would never result from an arrow- or a spear-wound. Meanwhile, thousands of non-combatants are killed or mutilated. The environment is ravaged, not only in the war zone, but also back home, due to the accelerated consumption of natural resources needed to feed the war machine. In comparison, the violence of primitive man is relatively innocuous.
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Everything that he says makes so much sense.
this is the final pill
If this guy hadn't mailed people a pile of bombs he might of had a decent political career.
>Ted
>ever becoming involved in politics
nigga that would be the anti-thesis of his whole philosophy. you can't change fuck all through politics. also if he didn't bomb those people no body would know who he was.
I don't think technology is to blame.
I think it's the brown people.
>I don't think technology is to blame.
>I think it's the brown people.
and we have a surplus of brown people because of technology. africa and asia's populations used to be limited by their lack of technology but when we started giving them aid their populations have exploded.
its literally technology's fault there are so many unproductive brown people around.
technology is what allowing brown people to thrive in europe, and what is distracting the white people so they do nothng back
Look at the Amish and tell me there is a more redpilled people
They can only survive because there are other people with nukes keeping them safe.
Well idk, lets not blame technology then and do something about the brown people, and also that tribe of long nosed people.
Ted would be right on the money if you replace "technology" with diversity and "liberalism" with "the jews."
This, they would be overrun by brown people if not for an actual society surrounding them.
yeah and brown people are required to keep the system afloat.
modern (("capitalistic")) system is built on exponential growth.
do you think they bring all of those africans into europe because of benevolence?
you need more consumers for growth and white people who are wise with their money,investments and more cautious reproduction are not good consumers.
you can't complain about multiculturalism and degeneracy while boasting about "prosperity" and "advancement" of the modern ((""capitalistic"")) system because they come hand in hand.
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>lets not blame technology
why?
>brown people, and also that tribe of long nosed people.
why not both?
> if you replace "technology" with diversity
technlolgy
Soneobe doesnt sit around all day watching a mexican do they?
There has been no backlash against brown immigration becuae white people are too distracted by their TVs and video games.
Fuck capitalism.
That's where many of you fail. Capitalism is why major corporations have been lobbying for open borders. It's because they want that sweet, sweet cheap labor. That's what worshipping the dollar has brought you.
NATIONAL SOCIALISM is the answer. What matters is you and your race. Every policy, every act, every thought has to serve the benefit of your people and race and a better life for them. Fuck worshipping money like the capitalists do.
Ok, so what are you proposing? We get rid of all our technology so that herds of niggers with AKs come and take us over?
This is literal Varg-tier retardation. Keep the technology. Get rid of the brown people and the jews.
A lot of what he says is true but i don't think technological progress can be reversed even if you wanted to. I also tend to think that expanding our knowledge and control over the universe has its own value, so I'd take it even if I knew it would decrease happiness (so long as it's not too extreme).
However the guy is damn respectable for practicing what he preaches. He even BTFO'd other anarcho-primitivists for "sugarcoating" the primitive life. He knows from first-hand experience it's not an utopia, but chooses that life regardless.
Except they out breed even the brown ppl
Not all technolgy, just technolgy that makes us dependent on larger systems.weapons bring more power to small groups (such as a white nationalist millita)
> We get rid of all our technology so that herds of niggers with AKs come and take us over?
Also have you seen american(im presuming you are american under that memeflag, correct me if otherwise) niggers, all you would need to do genocide them would be shut down the local walmart, the only reason they can actually survive outside africa is with the the help of the technological system
Immigration makes sense economically. Western countries are underpopulated (more jobs than people) and poorer countries are overpopulated (more people than jobs). This makes the wages in poorer countries more attractive for investment, as the excess supply depresses them. We simply have to ask the question: where do we want that investment to be made? In the West or in poorer countries? I know what I want: total free immigration, globally. It's the only non-cuck way.
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That's good for them (and I really mean that) but they still would not even exist if they weren't protected by an actual society. You know what's wrong with our society? We don't control our own media. You have a tribe of jews indoctrinating women to pursue careers instead of striving for motherhood. That is literally it. Idk why you guys make things more complicated than that. Take back control of your media.
Places like CNN and ABC and MSNBC literally need to be shot up and destroyed and replaced by a media owned by whites.
what about combining both?instead of building huge claustrophobic cities full of tiny boxes build small communities with decent living space and property.get rid of fiat scam money and go back to the gold standard to put actual barriers on greed while making it mandatory to educate all the kids and future generation on why its bad and evil.
doing this would also lower the housing prices to a sane normal amount because huge corps won't need to bring millions of shitskins for cheap labor and consumer base.
its fucking baffling me how much "progress" we have made yet how little it actually serves us the people.
and people here will defend it everyday and close their eyes to how blatantly we all are exploited just because that if you don't support this sick modern world you are obviously a commie hur hur
>but they still would not even exist if they weren't protected by an actual society
why? the amish dont shun all technology , just ones that make them dependent on bigger systems outside their control. They have guns,
What's stopping Jews from arming some neighboring mexicans to come rain all over their Amish parade?
Technology is fine. Take back control of the media with violence if necessary and start promoting the image of a white woman with children and start promoting the idea of motherhood being ideal for white women.
it would be a fucking bloodbath against mexicans, most of them have never seen a gun and are fat as fuck, while groups like the Amish hunt for a living. And why would the mexicans have anything against the amish? In mexico there is groups white Mennonites that are doing fine for themselves
>not shaping the evolution of technology to serve your needs but instead abandoning your values and principles for the sake of technology
Then you are unworthy of survival unworthy of being called human.
Jews will just paint the Amish as these neighboring oppressors. Jews will control mexican televisor sets and set them upon the white people.
White people ignoring everything to go live out in the woods again is what Varg suggests and it will end in disaster. You are not going to live out there peacefully. The Jews will arm every other race and tell them to go hunt you in the woods because you are the oppressors.
White have to stand and fight. It's the only way. I suggest white people taking back control of their media. That is literally the only thing they have to do in order to course-correct the rest of the issues. Jews controlling the media is the problem.
>this is the future Ted wants to stop you from having.
so you're all sitting here complaining about technology. How many of you have any practical skills that would enable you to survive without so much of the technology that you are claiming to be destroying traditional values. Sentimentalism doesn't work. Recognise the hypocrisy here.
how many of us were rised to be anything but a completely system dependent corporate cogs?
this is a retarded logic humans adapt.
What you don't see is all the lonely people dying alone:
>white citycucks
*gets stabbed by some nigger for your wallet*
*starves to death when the local walmart shuts down*
>varg
*lives free from the system, able to shoot starving brown city dwellers trying to raid him from miles away*
>technology alone
Yeh what is the natural biological desire to socialise and co-operate. The inability to responsibly utilise technology results in nigger tier societies.
Silicon Valley, Facebook, Google, Mars One are the products of goys mindlessly worshipping the empty promises of a "bright future" with technology.
i'm comming to the realization technology is doing way more harm than good.
Ted was right
>>not shaping the evolution of technolog
127. A technological advance that appears not to threaten freedom often turns out to threaten it very seriously later on. For example, consider motorized transport. A walking man formerly could go where he pleased, go at his own pace without observing any traffic regulations, and was independent of technological support-systems. When motor vehicles were introduced they appeared to increase man’s freedom. They took no freedom away from the walking man, no one had to have an automobile if he didn’t want one, and anyone who did choose to buy an automobile could travel much faster and farther than a walking man. But the introduction of motorized transport soon changed society in such a way as to restrict greatly man’s freedom of locomotion. When automobiles became numerous, it became necessary to regulate their use extensively. In a car, especially in densely populated areas, one cannot just go where one likes at one’s own pace one’s movement is governed by the flow of traffic and by various traffic laws. One is tied down by various obligations: license requirements, driver test, renewing registration, insurance, maintenance required for safety, monthly payments on purchase price. Moreover, the use of motorized transport is no longer optional. Since the introduction of motorized transport the arrangement of our cities has changed in such a way that the majority of people no longer live within walking distance of their place of employment, shopping areas and recreational opportunities, so that they HAVE TO depend on the automobile for transportation. Or else they must use public transportation, in which case they have even less control over their own movement than when driving a car. (1/2)
Even the walker’s freedom is now greatly restricted. In the city he continually has to stop to wait for traffic lights that are designed mainly to serve auto traffic. In the country, motor traffic makes it dangerous and unpleasant to walk along the highway. (Note this important point that we have just illustrated with the case of motorized transport: When a new item of technology is introduced as an option that an individual can accept or not as he chooses, it does not necessarily REMAIN optional. In many cases the new technology changes society in such a way that people eventually find themselves FORCED to use it.(2/2)
Fuck off retard.
Ted was fucking based.
And yet now every major industrialised nation is pushing once more for people to actively walk rather than to drive, not only for the environmental benefits but for the health benefits.
Compare that to the UK where driving is slower than walking, compare that to the Netherlands and Denmark where cycling and walking are the preferred means of travel, compare that to China and Vietnam where bicycles were once the norm.
The question then is a matter of willpower to control the spread and development of technology.
Ted is an example of Voidpill.
>pushing once more for people to actively walk rather than to drive,
pushing but largely failing
> driving is slower than walking
true nowhwere but inner london
Yep. Surely all this legal immigration wont change our traditional culture and values at all
>nowhere but inner London
Every urban centre suffers from this. So technology is not supreme. It is afterall a matter of willpower to reign it in.
Just like Niggers cannot function in the comforts of modern society so too should everybody else be careful about how to apply technology in society.
If we look back at the mindless consumption of television by an entire generation of children who were exposed, or how we once stuffed our homes full of asbestos or how we damaged our atmostphere with CFCs there are plenty of examples of why careful study and application of technology is not unwarranted.
the problem is the way we utilize the same technology.
im pulling this out of my ass to make an example but lets imagine that before the industrial revolution all the of the labor right now in the world was used only for farming and providing food.
so after the industrial revolution and how astronomically easier and bigger it made the process and yields you would expect it would make the working hours astronomically lower right?
instead they stayed the same if not raised for the sake of "prosperity" and "growth".
and they funny part is what prosperity and growth do we see?
sure we got huge cities filled with huge buildings we don't own,alot of plastic toys to keep us "satisfied" on the little downtime we do have.our food is tainted and bad diets were pushed on us for a long time simply to keep us addicted to sugar and other shit.
housing prices are at all time high so we get squeezed at tiny boxes.medicine is so advanced but used mostly to keep us in a stable enough shape to work every last squeeze until we are old and replaced and don't forget about mandatory happy pills if you see anything that i pointed as bad.
it seems to me that everyone is blinded by mass media and lives their life through hollywood movies and celebrities completely oblivious to the reality of their lives.
>r how we once stuffed our homes full of asbestos or how we damaged our atmostphere with CFCs
all of these technologies where brought in with good intentions.
>So technology is not supreme
it still is, still 90% of urban space in inner London that isnt the buildings is dedicated to cars
>t everyone is blinded by mass media
without mass media the industrial technological system would not be able to function
Shut the fuck up you zoomer shitstain. This is the epitome of 1st world problems.
Ted is voting for Yang
Yeah, he was ahead of his time. Truly scary how his manifesto accurately reflects today's modern society.
I think Ted is actually right in that we can't worship technology mindlessly but the idea that the Conservatives are at fault is silly.
>good intentions
That's a nice way of spinning "what is good for business is good for everyone". Blinded by greed and empty promises of a better future we can no longer tell what is good and what is not.
Afterall how can anybody be right if nobody is wrong?
No, Ted was an atheist. This is final redpill.
>There is good reason to believe that primitive man suffered from less stress and frustration and was better satisfied with his way of life than modern man is.
Utter fucking bullshit. Primitive man suffered from absolute horrors that are menial to modern man because of technological progress. He sounds like a spoiled brat who got upset that the utopia was only 87% perfect instead of 100%.
good analysis i guess
CFC where brought as at the time they where thought to be safer than what was used previously.
Asbestos was meant to keep families warm in their homes
I posted in the previous thread about Ted, saying he's the final redpill.
The redpill journey, at least from what I see, looks something like this
>cuckservatism (Milo, Shapiro etc)
>libertarianism
>ancap
>Hoppeanism
>Pinochet meme stage
>Nationalism
>Fascism/National Socialism
From here there are two paths
>Accelerationism and Siege shit
>Tedpill
Or
>Absolutism
>Traditionalism (Evola, Guenon, Spengler)
>Delving into the occult
I'm still at the National Socialist stage, but I know very well that when I read enough right-wing literature I'll take one of these paths
You're not going to be able to stop militarized beaners or air raid bombs. Whites have already unlocked the pandoras box. The tech exists today. Letting go of it and letting it fall into the hands of jews and browns will be your end. You'll fall harder than the pagans did when they tried to resist the encroaching Roman army.
Stand and fight, white man. LITERALLY JUST take back control of your media. Violence if need be. Kill Stephen Colbert. Kill everyone at CNN. Stop letting them influence the masses and redirect the current of influence to one suited for white families. Women are told by the media that it is SHAMEFUL to be a stay at home mom when that is the ONLY thing they should be preoccupied with (at least the grand majority of them).
Its the excess comfort that makes us unhappy. Primitive man had the satisfaction of beating meaningful challenges. Modern man lives a meaningless life.
A lot of that could be psychological. We are taken care of, from cradle to the grave. The social policies of the last 60 years take away the risk in our lives and makes us almost dead.
I agree. I think a bit harsh conditions are vital to stay mentaly balanced. Excess breeds poor virtue while limited scarcity breeds temperance and contentment.
Thats why monks in many cultures live ascetic lifestyles.
It annoys me that I can go to jail for getting into a brawl as well.
yes i do believe ted had the ultimately right ideas on how industrial society is not meant to be sustainable forever.
as it stands atm i think we'll either something very big happening in the coming years or decades that will set us back hundreds of years or, we'll advance to a point that social isolation will not be a choice but just something part of the society we will live in with a highly industrial and authoritative state.
Maybe, I'm too much of a hedonist to swallow it, though.
He's a faggot who is romanticizing primitive way of life even though he would never want to live that way. That's exactly why people started developing tools and technology to make shitty lives a bit better.
This back to nature was a famous concept by romantics in 1800 but pretty much nobody wants to live that way when offered the choice.
Looks hideously miserable.
Technology makes us dependent and restricts our freedoms.
are niggers hiding in the trees to jump you?
not if the brown people did have our weapons (technology)
*didn't
it's looking more like this
>He sounds like a spoiled brat who got upset that the utopia was only 87% perfect instead of 100%.
The CIA tortured him for over 400 days when he was 16 as part of an experiment on high IQ kids. How spoiled of him.
>He's a faggot who is romanticizing primitive way of life even though he would never want to live that way
Do you even know who we're talking about?
>you will never be as free as a primitive man
>you will never kill a giant cave bear with a pointy stick and your own fists
>a lot of us won't even ever have offspring
we masturbate all day, do our meaningless activities (try to convince ourselves that they are not meaningless), Eat our shitty food all day until we look like giant melted marshmallows. Our society is a mess right now at least if I compare it to the past and it seems like it’s getting even worse, when I look at the new generations. What a beautiful utopia we live in.
>ethnos thinking they can talk without looking like retards.
His writing isn't about who is white and who isn't. It's about freedom.
How we are filling all of our time with surrogate activities and are moving farther from our main desires because of it.
About how technology starts off with things about the benefits of man but soon entraps the man.
He literally moved into the middle of the forest.
yeah life is so much better this is why people keep offing themselves at an increasing rate and antidepressant's use is in all time high
Unironically the best ideology of all.
editions-hache.com
Or jewtube youtube.com
This.
Amusingly people make videogames that are all about doomsday survival etc.
Videogames are unironically showing us the deepest desire of men, which way they would want the world to actually be.
can't even watch with german IP. Oh god I hate the state of this country
>Closes down Stock Exchanges
>Caps profits at 5% yearly
yea real capitalists lmfao
Based Ted thread, and yes, Ted is the final redpill. I never saw the world the same way once I read the manifesto and Anti Tech revolution, it's truly enlightenment; you see technology's imprint in everything around you, whether you want it or not, and if you're intelligent enough you can figure out the implications and relate to the writings.
>says a symptom is a cause
How retarded do you have to be.
Read the manifesto instead of arguing, you can't "control the spread", it's either "forward" or nothing. Example: do you think nuclear scientists envisioned creating a tool that could wipe out millions of people and destroy environment beyond the what the eye can see in a single sweep? And if you push the reasoning further every scientific discovery led to that event, so how do you "control the spread"?). Everything is in the manifesto and the 2016 summary book.
Quite on the money with the comments on how technology needs economic growth which needs capitalism as it is today's the most efficient mode of ressource allocation (you can argue all you want about that, 80% of the world uses it). No economic incentive equals no technological "progress". A lot of people confound the fact that technology drives capitalism and not the other way around.
Read what is above. Yes capitalism is bad but again it's only a symptom not the root cause, and I do agree about "The Jews" but Ted ideology is one plane above that, it is "systemic ideology" if you will, whereas "the Jews" and the rest of politics can be simply defined as ethnic conflicts in the end, i.e. "ethnic ideologies" competing for survival.
Transhumanism and the steps towards it have only been detrimental to human condition since the dawn of times. I say this but it really comes down to your definition of liberty; if liberty for you is not having direct and independent control over your environment but merely "going with the flow" in like in today's intricate society then fine. If liberty if having full control on your environment and being able to have independent control over every aspect of your life and hence destiny, then you will oppose transhumanism for primitivism. Transhumanism will only solve all of these issues when we become entirely machines, with not one bit of human consciousness left.
Ted ruined his life for what?So internet idiots on pol could discuss him?
>it's either "forward" or nothing
Oswald Spengler held a similar view, except he considered "nothing" not an option because he believed that even if the western man chose a life of technological abstinence, the same would not apply to the peoples of the east, who would be eager to use the tools of the western man to beat him, as they are nations that are yearning for their national place in the sunlight and willing to make sacrifices for the national purpose. Spengler essentially says that technology will be our ruin and despite of it we must go and walk on that Faustian path, so we can perish with our heads held high at the pinnacle of our existence rather than wither away enslaved by our former subjects out of fear of making use of the spirits that we've summoned. I agree with a lot of Kaczynski's analysis but the idea which a lot of his adherents derive, that it would be possible for the western man to withdraw in silence from the stage of history to live a peaceful life of tranquil primitiveness is a pipe dream. The rest of the world does not stop turning. Nations will always have interests that conflict with the interests of others derived from the geo-strategic conditions they're in and they will pursue these interests by any means possible. The Melian dialogue as taught us since the time of antiquity: rights only exist between the powerful. Relinquishing the power inherent to technology leaves one at the mercy of those who had been previously powerless and who will be eager to get back for any humiliation they suffered in the past.
What the fuck do you think brings all the niggers here in the first place?
>Imagine a society
This premise brought to you by gangweed
Face it Jow Forums. is the final pill.
The ocassional recession makes sense economically. We need market correction. The economy can’t keep growing forever.
The economy might be “better” but our fulfillment has never been lower.
> oh hey the GDP will keep going up if we keep importing poor workers!
There are more problems in our society than just race. If we didn’t have those problems we would be able to solve the race problem. If you had a button that would automatically kill all non whites we would still have problems in America regarding culture and scale
He didn't ruin his life. He lived his ideology, can you say the same? Very few people can actually say they stick to their guns like Ted did.
read paragraph 99 to 110 of his manifesto
>not the Jews
Bluepilled detected
>I know what I want: total free immigration, globally. It's the only non-cuck way.
Liberally minded people, who believe in the homo oeconomicus, who makes informed, rational decisions for his individual well-being, completely miss the irrational, instinct driven, tribal nature of man. Humans are not solitary creatures but they are animals who live in groups and their entire subconsciousness is dominated by mechanisms they have evolved to make them function better in groups. If you let people immigrate wildly, you open yourself up for foreign invasion, signal to your own that the group they're currently in won't look after them in particular, meaning that it lowers their loyalty and provides them with no feeling of security, and it also signals to outside groups that your group is weak and can thus be overtaken. The economic side of things is just one aspect and an economy takes place where people interact. If your economic model is based on a rationalist view of man, then it will fail to make accurate predictions.
>thinking traditionalism is apart from the tedpill
tedpill and accelerationism is a method by which to collapse the technological system so as to bring about a "fresh start". even ted realizes that all technology is not bad and even says to use it if the end goal is for collapse (such as communication between revolutionaries). to be traditionalist is intrinsically revolutionist in the modern era and thus provide the true endgame in economy, government, and structure after the fresh start has begun.
Our most fundamental problem is this:
>people adopt technology because it gives them power
>technology will eventually outperform humans in all imaginable characteristics, i.e it will replace humanity
Per game theory: you lose by not adopting new technologies when competing with people who do adopt. You also lose by adopting new technology, because you make yourself obsolete.
What jobs do people have in these cyberpunk utopia-dystopias? Are we going to pretend that there will be jobs left when the only unique human ability (intelligence) is surpassed by machines?
The people in charge will just give us limitless UBI and let us spend our time as artists and comedians.
the black pill is the final red pill
thingken of living a tedpilled life with the wife
>Per game theory: you lose by not adopting new technologies when competing with people who do adopt. You also lose by adopting new technology, because you make yourself obsolete.
his idea is not to get rid of all technologies. He believes this would be impossible without significantly restricting humans’ liberties. He wants to get rid of large-scale technology. It’s possible to reverse large scale technology he uses the fall of the roman empire and lost of there advancements as an example. Reed his manifesto if you want to understand his ideas better.