Yang's a socialist. Vote for him if you want America to become Venezuela

Property is theft. Now that you know that read back that quote and see how it's all a load of shit.

ight i will but first ima acquire the loot

I mean what could go wrong with your guns taken away and the government being able to restrict all your freedoms if you say or think things they don't like. It's perfect system! Yang Gangers 2020 wooo

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He's a libby dipshit, but it's true that UBI isn't socialism. Socialism is defined by the collective ownership of capital, but UBI is just redistribution of the profit of capital, not the ownership in the capital itself.

UBI would only work in a homogeneous society. Yang would be a good President for Taiwan, not for America.

>Property is theft

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It's mainly betrayed Trump voters on this board to say the least although the astroturfing part is probably real.

I wish.
>UBI is just redistribution of the profit of capital
That's socialism, bucko!
>Yang would be a good President for Taiwan, not for America
He wouldn't be a good president anywhere. Socialism is bad everywhere.

Laughing won't change the fact.

Property is theft.

It's not an intuitive thing to understand and you need to at least be Rick and Morty fan tier intellect to grasp but its true

lmao you fucking retard, how out of touch can you be?

Have you ever read the book property is theft? I read it in french and its shit. Not only the argument that supports property as theft but the whole prudhonian economic model is dumb.

Didnt work for finland

>a commie would be a good president for taiwan
Hmmm, I wonder who could be behind this post?

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No it isnt. Redistribution of capital has happened in one form or another for thousands of years. As the other user pointed out, socialism is the collective ownership of said capital.

Okay cool your just trolling. Fuck thought you were serious for a second.

Getting the country to collapse would be epic for extremist.

>That's socialism, bucko!
It's "Seize the means of production!" not "Seize the product!" faggot. Socialism is about the nationalization of industry, not just redistribution of proceeds. If it was, a sales tax would be socialist.

It's going to be fucking hilarious watching Americans try to illegally immigrate to mexico once their nation is a brown socialist shit hole. Mexico is going to wish they had built that wall lmao.

Fuck off, petralha.
Government interference in the economy is bad and anti-capitalist, and that is by definition socialism, you economical illiterate!

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UBI is Keynesian.

Dubai is the least socialist country on earth, is Islam based?

But sales tax IS socialist, user. All taxation is. Taxation is theft.

Most pro markets and capitalist man I have ever seen 1k dividend on my investment in this utter shit society is already low return kys op.

>give niggers 1000$
>niggers buy guns and drugs
>niggers shoot more white people

ChangBanged

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Your country is poor and corrupt as fuck infested with niggers.

You don't count brazil. Also we get 1k a month eat shit and die.

Islam has based elements to it like not taking loans from Jews but it's just another semitic blood cult.

>socialism is when the government interferes in the economy

Nevermind, you are obviously a mongoloid retard who has no idea what the fuck hes talking about.

>corrupt as fuck
So is yours.
>infested with niggers
So is yours.
>poor
So will be yours if you vote for Yang.

Theft is not a synonym for socialism, even if socialism requires theft to work. Rich people have big houses, but buying a big house doesn't magically make you rich.

You're not getting shit neet boy, yang wouldnt have the power as president to enact a UBI.

Imagine having failed ECON101.

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UBI is not socialism. UBI is welfare. Socialism is seizing the means of production.

That's just a twist to add abstraction. Absolutely no Marxist would defend that their society consists simply on ownership of capital cause that would mean a teacher would need to go to the tuna factory if he wanted a can and that's absurd.

A society with collective ownership of capital still has delegation of responsibilities and division of labor. A doctor has access to bread.

What's the difference between that and the distribution of labor's fruit between members of society? You're not owner of your property if the labor produced by it is not yours. Taxes and inflation turn property into usufruct.

Welfare is by definition anti-meritocratic, hence socialism. Do you even read what you post?

Trump said he wants the most immigrants of any pres ever to secure corporate profits for his kike friends paying 0% taxes. Hes anti white and is driving down wages. KYS kike.

OK then, econfag. Pop quiz: An increase in automation _______ the demand for labor in an economy.
a) Increases
b) Decreases
c) Has no effect on
You should be able to solve this.

Red herring. He's not the only alternative.

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Neither. It decreases the demand for unskilled labour but increases demand for skilled labour.

Increases.

Look at countries by levels of automation and their unemployment, then look at countries that don't have automation.

Automating food recollection allowed people to pursue other professions.

Again, you are a mongoloid retard who doesnt know what socialism means. Again, as long as the entirety of capital is not in collective hands, its not socialism. Just because taxes and bureaucracies exist, doesnt mean a country is socialist.

Then again I forgot who Im talking to here, a literal third world monkey with negro blood. I shouldnt expect you to be able to understand things as basic as the definiton of socialism.

You're a fucking Brazilian, why do you give a shit? You must have absolutely nothing else going on in your life.

How is it a red herring when hes in the fucking office you god damned retard.

Automation has a temporary effect on unemployment in which people need to re-specialize, but the overall output is more jobs as time passes and there's no fucking doubt about this for anyone over 80 IQ.

UBI is not socialism retard, Hayek, Friedman, Nixon all supported it and they were strong proponents of free markets and opponents of communism. If Hayek does not ring a bell then PLEASE read some basic economics before talking, thanks.

So like Trump? Yang and Trump do not differ on major issues in the real world aside from UBI, no matter what Trump's twitter rants say. At least Yang will benefit me in some way. Immigration levels are literally higher under Trump than Obama and he has no way of doing anything about it since the courts, civil service and upper military hierarchy all oppose him, kek

>be from Austria
>do not know the Austrian school
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America influences other countries a lot through its foreign policy, especially weaker ones like Brazil. You have no idea how much power an American secretary of state or ambassador to Brazil has over us.

Because primary him, that's why you fucking moron!

>We need to bring in a ton of immigrants to fill Jobs
>We just have to hand out more gibs because there are not enough Jobs

See

>Its not troo capitalism xdd

Literal monkey.

>taking advice from literal thirdies on how to run countries
Good joke

How many people do you think would use UBI for it's intended purpose allowing a lifestyle of self improvement instead of just getting blackout wasted on drugs and alcohol?

Just wondering

Whats that in english? I dont speak moneky.

UBI is not socialism, it's there to grease the wheel of consumerism. By giving more money to consumers so that they will be able to spend more money. Todays commercial products are already ridiculously expensive and soon they will be too expensive for the main target audience. That's why tech giants are shilling for UBI.

I like food. Neetbux are worth nothing when we have hyper inflation.

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Correct.
Wrong. Replacing low skilled workers for high-skilled workers increases demand for labor because their wages are higher, which represents an increase in expenditures within the market for labor. The fact that you think about labor in terms of raw job numbers is a strong indication that you are not an economist.

>Hayek
Source?

You genuinely cannot destroy a free market when one does not exist. Do you presume it’s possible to compete with Amazon? They get billions in tax breaks, subsodies, and huge incentives. That’s ontop of extremely generic patents like the whole concept of “one click to buy” which we know every click is an interaction cost and 2 clicks translate to 20% fewer sales.

In the best possible conditions, it would be impossible to compete with Amazon. Literally even if the company was split in half but only the core Amazon group retained their special privlidges, the other half would be consumed in no time.

We already do not have capitalism. What is essentially state created monopolies are a core piece of socialism and communism. That’s why things are already bad.

You cannot form a union anymore. You cannot bargain on wages. They have no obligation to pay you more. The national GDP is up trillions and it all went into 400 people’s bank accounts.

Fuck this system. Give me money. I would rather see it all burn then keep getting corporate news about how it’s my company’s best year ever but they can’t give me a cost of living increase? Our sector director got a $5million dollar bonus. I am asking for $2000 a year increases here and I just found out all the new hires make more than me.

This is a joke. Corporate America is a joke. I’d love policy that makes these rich fuckers jump out of windows. They can abuse our political system for financial gain then why can’t we. There’s a lot more of us.

That's exactly my point. That is precisely the reason why Yang would ruin America, he'd run it like third world shitholes are run.
Now fuck off, Ahmed!

I might not be opposed to it if he based it on a percentage of the profits from....something.

everybody gets 000001% of the profits America gets from...the thing. That way there would be motivation for everybody.

He uses Alaska as his model. They use the profits from the oil they dell to give people a flat rate.

Doing it by % would be interesting at least.

Honestly, with inflation what is $1000 going to buy you 20 years from now? Maybe a weeks rent in the bad part of town?

Then the US is already socialist and it's too late there's no going back

>(((Friedman))) supported it
And that's exactly why it's shit.

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2%? We are already running that experiment with the NEET class. They play vodya, porn and eat pizza. Theyre not happt

What did he mean by this

Like constituents of red states are really gonna turn down 1k a month... yeah right

No immigration reduction will ever pass Congress.

UBI is at least more meritocratic than normie welfare

t. nigger

Except there is.

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The fed controls inflation and minetary policy. Youre being ridiculous. UBI financed by a vat tax does not cause inflation.

asians are the enemy of the white man

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More and more people are living off stocks nowadays. As automation grows so should stock ownership.

UBI is bad because there's no allocation of resources involved, UBI leads to massive malinvestments in the same way lower interest rates does. Stock ownership, however, leads to proper resource allocation and would make highly automated economies more prosperous than one embracing the UBI model.

UBI is Keynesian helicopter on roids and that has proven to create massive bubbles and terrible economic decisions as well as price hikes on unelastic demand products in spite of middle class and innovation.

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Yang is not eligible to be seated as president according to the supreme court

"the party may originate under a law, and, Congress may…give a naturalized citizen, who is the mere creature of a law, a right to sue in the Courts of the United States….
“the act of Congress, proceeds to bestow upon the being it has made, all the faculties and capacities which that being possesses. Every act, grows out of this law, and is tested by it.
“A naturalized citizen is indeed made a citizen under an act of Congress. He becomes a member of the society, possessing all the rights of a native citizen, and standing, in the view of the constitution, on the footing of a native. The constitution does not authorize Congress to enlarge or abridge those rights. The simple power of the national Legislature, is to prescribe a uniform rule of naturalization, and the exercise of this power exhausts it, so far as respects the individual. The constitution then takes him up, and, among other rights, extends to him the capacity of suing in the Courts of the United States, precisely under the same circumstances under which a native might sue. He is distinguishable in nothing from a native citizen, except so far as the constitution makes the distinction”

Then years later the Court again confirmed that distinction as follows:

“Citizenship obtained through naturalization is not a second-class citizenship. It has been said that citizenship carries with it all of the rights and prerogatives of citizenship obtained by birth in this country "save that of eligibility to the Presidency" Luria v United States, 231 US 9, 22”

And, Luria v United States ibid. referring back to Osborn ibid. states:

“Under our Constitution, a naturalized citizen stands on an equal footing with the native citizen in all respects, save that of eligibility to the Presidency. Minor v Happersett, 21 Wall. 162, 165; Elk v Wilkins, 112 US 94, 101; Osborn v. Bank, 9 Wheat. 738 827. Luria v United States

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another smart person here who views UBI as a disgrace, a public dividend on the other hand, is fair and opaque

america has the "american" flavour of capitalism.
venezuela was true socialist until they allowed some sort of private companies to exists when you are part of the elite
then it turned to cronyism
when the busdriver came, it turned into a dictatorship
just because the US gives out foodstamps to poorfags it isn't socialist and because it reigns in full anarchy capitalism its not full capitalist either

yangs just a meme dude

why would the money coming off stock ownership be better spend?

I can't believe people call you a brazillian not realizing you FLED Venezuela.

Inflation can be caused in lieu of monetary expansion.

If production levels decrease and the money supply remains the same, inflation happens.

Venezuela inflation is way higher than its monetary growth because its production went to shit due to price controls.

Hes doing a sleight of hand.

He claims to base it off Alaska but thats a lie. Alaska isnt guaranteed shit.
In 2015 their checks were around $2000 and 2017 they were only around $1000.
Some years they might only get $500.

Correction, America USED TO have the American flavor of capitalism. Since the 80's we've just followed the British flavor.
See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_System_(economic_plan)

It's astroturf + watch the world burn polsters who got disillusioned with Trump or realized he's part of the same team as Hillary since the onset.

If you raise the minimum wage to 20.00 an hour, everyone only is 'richer' for a short time, and then prices go up to correct and the money's value is massively reduced.
The UBI thing will in the long run make everything more expensive, creating a situation where it is totally impossible to be a neet without voting for the progressive left, and even doing that you will be voting for "rations."

No one’s voting for the chink. Like AOC, the three week shillathon has to run its course then die out and Jow Forums will go on talking about some other dumb shit.

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The only way a UBI/citizens dividend works is if it is funded by a tax on land values as Henry George suggested 100 years ago. Fund it with land and you get 0 dead weight loss and no inflation

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>anything I don't like is socialism.
>anything that goes against the status quo is socialism
>if youre against the jews its socialism
>if it's socialism its also communism
>here's an example of a poor country corrupt country that is now even poorer and more corrupt

Really makes you think.

YANG GANG IS UNSTOPPABLE!

Bullshit. Policy wise Yang is commie af and UBI is in every measureable sense defined as socialism. It would be the largest socialist programme in history in fact. Just because something is wrapped around something else doesn't mean it isn't what it is. UBI would have us eating rats and street shitting soon as goverment has a hiccup. The day that the 1k goverment UBI inevitably doesnt show up it would be the end of a functioning society.

If people are for UBI so be it but that is in a fact socialism.