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Lets get this uhhh mother fuckin bag ayeeee

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Automation/AI is totally transforming society (largely for the worse). UBI similarly would be the most impactful public policy in anyone's lifetime.

It's true that most politicians most of the time only want to rile up the base with totemic shit that doesn't actually affect anyone in any meaningful way. This is different.

>UBI

Fuck all of you lazy teenage faggots.

boomer spotted

>The shift toward automation is about to create a tsunami of unemployment.

you mean the automation that could already replace secretaries,real-estate agents and bartenders?
they aint gonna automate shit.

Huh? Secretaries have already almost been totally automated out of existence, it's been happening for decades. Real estate agents are clearly on the immediate chopping block.

Dunno about bartenders except to note young people go out far less than they used to: they sit at home along on the internet (what we're all doing now) instead of going out to meet new people, date, etc.

i don't see the trend you are describing.
every major firm still have secretaries and accountants

Being an entrepreneur in 20s probably made him a solution oriented person rather than a political analyst like Tucker.

newrepublic.com/article/121712/slow-death-secretary

Not only have numbers been declining dramatically, but education levels have been dramatically rising: being a secretary is a job that now effectively requires a university degree.

Essentially all routine jobs are doomed. That includes most of what accountants and lawyers do. The AI can do it better, faster, and for practically free. If not today then next year, or the year after... it's coming for almost everyone.

Yang is literally the CIA trying to stump Trumps base...
You glowfags Resorted to it a couple weeks ago actually, wouldn’t recommend and felt like shit for a few days after. Andrew Yang and I were watching Home Alone 2 and he wouldn’t shut up about Donald Trump. Made some comment about him being his childhood crush, then made a noise when he came on screen, smiled whenever he had a scene etc. When he was giving directions to Kevin and Kevin needed Trump to bail him out I think I said something like “haha fucking pussy bitch” which was new cause I don’t usually swear out of the blue like that but then he gave me this disgusted look. That’s when I kinda flipped idk. Got into his face and started saying “stop smiling at him, stop fucking looking at him like that” and grabbed his hair. He kept saying wtf like he didn’t understand the problem with Universal Basic Income , so I kept saying “huh? huh?” and slapping him lightly in the face. I stopped and called him a fucking idiot then we just continued watching the movie. Felt bad seeing his eyes swell up but there were no more stupid smiles. What was weird was how he played it off a few minutes later, he was commenting on Bernie Sanders and whatnot like nothing happened even though I could still hear him sniffle periodically. he hasn’t brought up the incident after but his behavior is definitely different.
>arent fooling anyone

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5 min research on the internet tells me thats not the case. And it's probably not good to base your argument on anecdotal evidence. Just because I don't see black people doesn't mean they don't exist.

well that's why im aiming for manual labor.
hopefully i can get my tech degree by next year

bls.gov/emp/tables/occupations-largest-job-declines.htm

The Bureau of Labour Statistics projects secretaries to be the fastest declining occupation in the United States (in absolute number) over the next decade. And that's the government: I doubt they have a good handle on how fast Silicon Valley will put these people out of work. In any case their projection is +150k secretarial jobs shed in the next decade (keep in mind also the population is growing).

i mean good, that's a good thing actually.

that will increase the productivity of every worker. automation will mostly eliminate easy jobs

STEM degree is not really safe from automation either. If you are under 20, I would suggest going for more human centered jobs like psychologist, counselor, or therapist.

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Short of agreeing with and following the goal set out by the author in "Industrial Society and its Future" (perhaps one of the most important essays written in the 20th century) we're kind of SoL on that front. You can't slow or stop technological process without completely uprooting dependency on technology, and most of the population disagrees with that assertion.
It may be futile and stupid, stupid because of its futility, but it's actually the correct solution if one cares at all about the rights of the individual. The essay I just wrote about very clearly and accurately describes what the future is for technological dependency: a society which must mold the individual to fit its needs, rather than molding a society to fit the collective individuals' needs. This has already occurred, through the dissemination of media propaganda and medication to stupid individuals who would become negative to the environmental conditions demanded by society for technological progress. Efficiency in this way is not virtuous, it is uncaring and unhealthy, and you can go to any major city to see its uncaring effects in the form of homelessness wandering the streets miserably and outcast. You may think that you're better than them, but you just haven't been unlucky enough yet for it to happen to you, and the efficiency you laud as positive will crush your mind and body like a steamroller without hesitation.
Skilled trades in ironically enough. When the economy depresses, people remodel what they have, when the economy is strong people build new. Automation will also take awhile to catch up because every construction solution is unique, and the skills to produce are more complex. Many programmers will lose work before skilled trades will due to automation, doubly so because IT work has been advertised to and sought after by people entering the job market, with low level performers being outsourced globally.

i meant tech degree in a sense that ill become a technician of some sort.
its not peaches and cream like office job but its not backbreaker like construction either

The large majority of jobs are routine and automatable (/outsourceable to developing countries via the internet) in the near term. And these include a lot of presently high-prestige, high-income jobs: most of what accountants, lawyers, and doctors do for example.

What do you do that's so singularly creative?

Which one of your children would you with old resources from? For most people, it is reasonable to value another human life for its own sake, parents know this. It is not wrong to extend this perspective to everyone, as everyone is the child of some parent.

Yangs solution is mass gibs

Only something like 8% of the workforce is in STEM fields. This idea what everyone will "learn to code" is ridiculous since there's no demand for it: these fields are getting massively over-subscribed which means people are having to keep themselves in school as artificial barriers to entry keep rising. It's becoming a matter of go to MIT, get a doctorate, or forget it.

Remember also that most people who go to college/university flunk out or drop out and are still left with the debt, so they're beyond fucked.

well what i meant was:
we can't keep paying desk workers insane wages, while the manual laborers get shit wages.
market has to eventually balance out

Yang doesn't stop mass migration
He won't solve the problem at all

he said the 1000bucks are for people who pay taxes. undocumented don't send in tax papers and such can't opt in

UBI would kill the motivation for illegal immigration, since illegals would have to compete with natives who already have $1k in the bank at the start of the month. I.e. locals could easily undercut illegals, not the other way as currently. If you dislike low skill illegal immigration then UBI is the surefire way to get rid of it, since it destroys demand for it (vs. the futility of trying to stem supply with a wall or whatever nonsense).

It's for adult (+18) citizens. He also said any path to citizenship for current illegals would need to take a minimum 18 years (i.e. what it takes for a native born citizen to start qualifying for UBI).

a old friends daughter wanted to go into architecture. now she went into finance/reporting
she said, the corp already outsourced the smaller archtectual jobs to india, where they have high end software that calculates everything for a small to middle house
there is no need for manual work just print the plans and add some flowers
the few good jobs where only for the kids of the boss, so she left the field after two years of wasted studying
this is happening now not in 20 years

UBI will naturally create incentives for immigrants to be documented.

I'm an electrician and I've been to see the new factories were prefab home will be assembled. My job is going to change completely in the next few years. Almost all of the prep work will be done at the factory, houses will be delivered to site in sections with cable containment already installed. My job will just be to thread the cables into each section and install the sockets and switches. No more drilling holes, mounting boxes etc. I'll spend more time doing the inspection and testing side of things and less time with the installs. Automation is going to make the job easier and safer but it remains to be seen how it will affect the number of electricians required.

It's definitely going to decrease the total number of people required. Since there will be less need to hire people for physical work and only require "managers" who overlook the machines work.

Architecture has been like that for years. I knew people who graduated +5 years ago that then realized they had no hope of finding an actual paying job.

Consider that with UBI she'd have the freedom to pursue architecture as a passion even if it couldn't in itself support her financially. She's be better off (she could do what she loves), as would the rest of society for her effort and talent (we'd have nicer, more unique buildings). Instead she'll continue chasing the next 'hot career' racking up student debt and letting the possibility of a family pass her by.

oh sweetie...

we got to do something about that anger.

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Only if extreme preventative measures are taken against immigration. Otherwise, even in your example where they don't receive gibs directly, they receive them indirectly from citizens paying for work. They already take less pay, they're not trying to make more in gross income than citizens because they don't pay taxes.
Problem is UBI will be supported by Dems and they don't have a strong desire to eliminate illegal immigration. UBI should be a nat soc policy, for the citizens.

Sweet. Demographic suicide still, but now its got the Yang seal of approval.

fathers friend was a engineer/bridge inspector
he says, now specialised drones do the inspecting and the job turned out to be less travel and less stuff, more watching videos and looking at spots of interest
only when you find something, you fly there and inspect it
he is ok with that because the drones stay there with more larger installations but on the other hand made the job much more boring. you could do that basically from home and watch videos. and in ten years the AI learned so much from the operators that they even spot dangerous issues themselves

>They already take less pay, they're not trying to make more in gross income than citizens because they don't pay taxes.

With UBI it's the citizens who'd be in a position to undercut an illegal on wages. Moreover, as Yang proposes it, the UBI would be funded primarily through a VAT, so the illegals would be paying for UBI unavoidably.

You really aren't thinking this through. You seem to have made up your mind that "gibs" somehow automatically encourages illegal immigration, which UBI absolutely does not in any way. It's the one gib that'd be totally off-limits to illegals.

Well the factory is recruiting staff at something over £8/hr here. They always use a stupid number like £8.17 or some other arbitrary pittance. By contrast an employed electrician earns around £15/hr and a self employed around £18/hr.

So do ultimate goal is to reduce costs of skilled trades. They just recruit machine operatives to drill thousands of holes and stuff plastic pipes down them. It's true that we can't build houses quick enough here but I don't see how this is going to revolutionise house building, we just don't have the land to build on to meet the demand.

It'll be a long time before AI will be able to spot corroded connections or physically inspect a joint to see that it has come loose and is arcing but I guess it will eventually get there.

There will be a time in future when all jobs will be automated and human overseers will only be required to represent the company when something goes wrong and blame needs to be attributed. Hell we are already there. As a working supervisor I am now legally responsible for the conduct of the other electricians on site. Not the house builder and not my employer. Me! I am required to give them toolbox talks, this then pushes responsibility back to them. They sign a piece of paper saying whatever and if they break the rules they get sued instead of me.

his point was, that the drones can practically fly up and down a large bridge every day
with specialised software and lots of sensors the will spot issues far earlier than now
picture related. the bot is still steered by the surgeons but its much more precise than a human hand

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...just think it through in the specific case.

Let's say you're Joe Oxy and your basic expenses (rent, car, gas, food) are covered by yangbux. $8 an hour painting houses is suddenly pretty temping, since it's all discretionary funbux without the stress of wage slavery. Do that for 30 hours a week and you've got another grand for nice food, beer, a jet ski, whatever. They'll be no shortages of Americans wanting to sign up for that stress-free life: the whole "nobody wants these jobs" thing disappears.

Now Jose Burrito, lets say he works 40 hours a week for the same $8 under the table. By the time he's paid for his rent and other expenses, plus all the risk, expense, and hassle of coming to / being in the US illegally... fuck it.

By spotting issues through a system like they they'll be training the software AI to replace them. This is what they'll have everyone doing before long. Given enough input the AI will get better than any human since it never gets tired, never overlooks anything, can survey near unlimited data near instantaneously...

If every nigger is university educated why not get one as long as they are cheap, mong

The judiciary will force the US govt to include illegals in its gibsmedat program

Higher education increasingly has nothing to do with acquiring skills you will actually be used productively, but is simply an expense and time consuming way to sort people for intellect (at least the narrow sort of intellect to pass tests) and blind determination. That makes everyone worse off: those who have to spend all this time and money (plus all the various opportunity costs) to get this education to "qualify" (i.e. massively over-quality) for these jobs, and especially all those who drop out part way through, who are still saddled with the debts of the attempt.

It's madness, yet conventional wisdom and conventional politicians see people going to school as an unqualified good in itself. In aggregate we very likely need less education not more to maximize human happiness and flourishing.

Only doubling the budget, that won't cause inflation no siree.

Read the book, it's all in there.

But tl;dr UBI would represent (for a country as wealthy as the US) a surprisingly small share of the economy and national budget, and would be paid for through taxes (e.g. a national VAT).