Are you proud of Jow Forums for finally seeing though capitalism's false promises...

Regardless what I meant to say is that Yang and Paul are dark horses that Jow Forums memed the fuck out of, it's just that Yang's meme is around UBI

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UBI will prop up capitalism and keep it from collapsing as quickly
it would be better not to do it if you actually wanted to obtain the next stage of society

Don't be dumb, user. Capitalism promises NOTHING. It provides you with freedom and ground to start -- everything else depends on your own skills and abilities.

Socialism on the other hand lies to you. It gives you false promises, and if you manage to make anything -- it will be taken away from you.

you dont know what words mean

UBI is just demsoc which is a subset of capitalist property law
begone Marxist

Stupid anarkiddie.

>1K is literally nothing

Privileged, stupid anarkiddie with a Starbucks thermos and a MacBook Pro.

The capitalist class is admitting that they're not in the business of feeding the general public anymore. The social contract is no more.

True, but why is this bad? I am happy to watch capitalism recede.

Boomer.

>ground to start
untill its all been bought by someone, then there is no ground left for you, you can only try to accumulate debt

Yeah exactly, you aren't from here you don't actually understand politics, you're just a shill. SHOO SHOO JEW

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yang is a fascist soc dem

soc dems get the bullet too

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>Jow Forums meme a chink demoxrat commie
>compare it ton Ron Paul
Fucking retard kys

>why is this bad
capitalisms wastefulness is still polluting the planet, and there are some things that need doing that are not profitable and thus never get done under capitalism. (continuing heavy bacteriophage research for example)

>t. wagecuck gloating about "muh hard work as a wage slave"
You must be a faggot if you hate the idea of $1000 ubi each month.

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Fuck Marxism. Take the Selfpill.

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>Capitalism pollute
>China
TOP SHILL

>The end of capitalism has begun
Are you blind , user? US economy is growing like crazy and people are doing great -- the best in the past 50+ years!

Lol, non-anthropocentric arguments against capitalism belong on reddit.

this.

AOC, Bernie and Yang are the "good cop" in the "good cop/bad cop" charade of capitalism

Marx wrote about those people in the Menifesto

>A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society.

>To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems.

>The Socialistic bourgeois want all the advantages of modern social conditions without the struggles and dangers necessarily resulting therefrom. They desire the existing state of society, minus its revolutionary and disintegrating elements. They wish for a bourgeoisie without a proletariat. The bourgeoisie naturally conceives the world in which it is supreme to be the best; and bourgeois Socialism develops this comfortable conception into various more or less complete systems. In requiring the proletariat to carry out such a system, and thereby to march straightway into the social New Jerusalem, it but requires in reality, that the proletariat should remain within the bounds of existing society, but should cast away all its hateful ideas concerning the bourgeoisie.

has this board ever considered real politics, let alone professed in it

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>stocks have reached a permanent plateau

Yiu must be really retarded to think it work like that

china is doing state capitalism
they are also doing more than the west to think about long term consiquences

enjoy dying to a stubbed toe when antibiotics stop working

The religion of gibs me dat will not prevail.
Todd 2020

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I've lived long enough, faggot.

The worst, most disgusting hypocrites known to humankind are commies living in USA and Canada.

>Jow Forums is neetsoc
Only the

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Yeah Jow Forumsacks are pretty based

>The religion of gibs me dat
>gibs
>implying we ask and dont just take

youtube.com/watch?v=4ANy3BWn_xM

THIS IS COMMUNISM

>Angry and disenfranchised people begin descending on the city centers, or on logistical sites like airports and ports. Their angry invasion resonates in a distinct yet parallel way with people living in marginalized or low-income neighborhoods either inside the city or at its edges (graffiti crews, rednecks, truck drivers, drug dealers, sex workers, former-prisoners, pensioners). Ethical extremists of various ideological or subcultural persuasions operate alongside one another in the streets, united only by their respective unwillingness to police each other’s anger at the system (for better and for worse: anarchists, neonazis, soccer hooligans, gang members). The various social groups never synthesize into a larger whole, but simply move alongside one another, occasionally clashing with one another, but returning week after week to smash the glittering facades of the cities and attacking police and governmental buildings. Those who can’t make it to the urban centers block the roads and arterial infrastructure on which they depend, from outside. This heterogeneous alliance of ‘randos’ from the near-and-far hinterlands and urban ethical extremists repolarizes the political situation from top and bottom, rather than left and right. Politicians, leftist organizations, trade unions and N.G.O.’s initially distance themselves from the confusing mêlée and denounce the violence.

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Western communists are delusional and really only interested in appearing educated. Every modern economy is on a spectrum.

You are free to make your own decisions -- and your own mistakes. You don't have to accumulate debt, it's totally up to you.

That's exactly how it'll work out. Niggers that use welfare will have their ubi deducted, however everyone else that doesn't use welfare or ebt are gonna get $1000 each month as ubi, which is a good thing.

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>The crowds pay them no mind, owing them no allegiance. Realizing they have been eclipsed, leftist organizations have no choice but to tuck their tail and chase after the crowds from a rearguard position, attempting however possible to co-opt, manage, and eventually pacify them. College students and middle managers of all demographics attempt to shame and divide the rioters racially, sexually, geographically, by class, by any axis of identity they can, so as to better gain a foothold in the chaos. Along the way, the police will commit their usual heavy-handed blunders, which will (at first) widen the antagonism and expand the struggle, forcing the government to deploy the National Guard. When they reach this point, struggles will will either dissipate, or else succeed in fracturing the armed forces and inducing widespread social defection…

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yes?

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Indeed he is. All Hail Yang, our mongolian overlord.

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1. To spread an ungovernable idea of common happiness, it is first necessary to become ungovernable.

2. Memes with force allow people to self-authorize, enabling them to act directly on their suffering. In this way, they subvert the management of our movements by internal and external police.

3. Memes that polarize the situation from top to bottom, concentrating the hostility on a centrist target, will allow the largest antagonism to emerge, making it harder for reformers to forestall the revolt, and opening up the possibility of communism in a real and practical way.

4. Do not exclude ‘conservatives’ from the movement ideologically; rather, popularize gestures that their ideology cannot endorse. One way to do this is to legitimate property destruction against the super-rich. Show, don’t tell.

5. Although the use of graffiti and other messaging might be necessary to counter the influence of right-wing slogans early on, do not allow any one group or tendency to hegemonize the meme until the state has fully lost control.

5.1. Graffiti should be used in two ways only: to express hostility toward the shared enemy, and to celebrate the tactical repertoire you want to see and the heroic deeds of the movement as a whole. Do not speak in the name of a ‘subject’ or exclude components of the movement.

6. If the riot’s power to suspend social identities and predicates cannot generate alongside itself territorial places wherein to expand, persist, and cross over into the duration of everyday life, it becomes a cruel festival.

metamute.org/editorial/articles/memes-force-–-lessons-yellow-vests?fbclid=IwAR3H1qGcbyiZlMvWdPhx1gJkGILg2b8cHgAtebRWYr7VJikTF0qJCeXKyA0

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Grow up and get a job faggot.

You're a weak pussy.

>capitalisms wastefulness
Do you have any idea how wastefull socialism is?????? Capitalism is THE LEAST wasteful system on the planet.

If you want to see wastefulness and evological disaster , you should visit Siberia --cities like kemerovo, novosibursk, norilsk, Yakutsk and everything in beetween ...

Jow Forums was never really pro capitalist. most people here dont even really know what capitalism is.

that being said id ont really care about Jow Forums whats interesting is that the rest of the internet is backing yang, too. Yang gang is actually a thing. I didnt see this coming at all.

To be clear it doesnt matter at all who the president is. But its a good temperature test as to whats going on in the given time and place. Yang doesnt have to win. Just his current popularity right now is proof that fairly soon, democracy will be effectively over. It will be supplanted by real soft-fascism. Not mean-trump fascism but actual non ironic corporatocracy. The thing is though, that although fascism is sort of a buzzword it is actually better than a democratic system, especially right now. Its not that fascism is great, democracy is just terrible and has little to no upsides.

Canadian too. Here's a picture of you user. I hope you like it.

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Everyone who is complaining about UBI being Communism, at least it's non-racist Communism. Everyone gets a fair shake. If that's the idea with food stamps or EOIC, fuck it, this goes for everyone, not just people too stupid to get pregnant without reliable father.

>idea of $1000 ubi
Who do you think will be paying for you? Where do you think these money will come from? Do you think you will be happy with these money when McDonalds hamburger will cost like $250 ?

>we refined words so now you don't what it means checkmate bigot
fuck off retard

>implying

I'm voting for whoever suggests a purge of poor people.

so much resource is wasted by competition

>we will claim all the means of production early on then you are free to choose how you want to be enslaved :^) choice!

thats exactly what Jow Forumss materialism meme is doing, it is redefining what 'materialism' means in 'dialectical materialism' for its little infographic.

real capitalism has never been tried

>what capitalism is
If you need to know only one thing, remember this : capitalism is freedom.
Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to live your life as you want ... Capitalism can not possibly exist without those freedoms.

Socialism/ Communism is incompatible with freedom. This regime can't coexist with freedom.

That's main and most important difference to remember.

this is true because it is impossible.
capitalism requires a state to make private property possible, a state within a capitalist society will always be used by the most wealthy capitalists to legislate things in their favor and make it harder for anyone else to compete against them

accelerationism retard

>wasted by competition
This makes no sense, user. Seriously.

Capitalism is when the means of production are privately owned by certain individuals, called capitalists.
Thats it, thats all it means.
I should clarify in my post here
i am not speaking of what capitalism actually is, because we live in a true capitalist society right now, there are private owners of means of production. But i am admitting that the idealized fantasy versions of how a capitalist system would function held up by pro-capitalists has in fact never been tried.

>leftists are falling for their own astroturfing campaigns again
Do you ever learn?

>capitalism is freedom.

yeah, that's why it requires the police-state to ensure this freedom.
jesus, user. are you just trolling or are you really that big of a boomer?

youtube.com/watch?v=4Zt7bl5Z_oA

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>Jow Forums is for grownups.

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The Yang pill is the precipice of Meme Warfare and Information Diddling

youtu.be/6Is7tdnnbYI

Yes, Marx is the final redpill.

Capitalism as a term was invented by a Jew, I don't even believe that it exists. Blow me.

>capitalism requires a state to make
This is gibberish, user. I suspect you get knowledge from leftist propaganda. I'm not criticizing you personally -- I simply suggesting you to spend a couple of days checking some other sources.

see? these people dont know what capitalism is

So lets say you are manufacturing microwaves. The technology for microwaves is well understood, there are many companies that can produce microwaves that do what people expect them to do. How do you compete then?

Well, first you hire more engineers to try and come up with special proprietary features of your microwave, you and the other companies have such things, all patented, so they need to be concurrently developed instead of shared to enrich the knowledge of microwave-features. This means that everyone needs extra r&d, with everything that entails. Facilities, prototypes, etc, and while some of this is desireable the fact that you are all secretly developing means there will be overlap and the same tests and ideas tried many times by different people, resulting in waste. Further these engineers need to now commute to the office, the roads they drive on gets extra wear they would not otherwise have sustained, meaning they need to be maintained more often by road crews who need to be maintained as well, and all of these people need to eat so there are now more restaurants scattered around to take the lunch orders and those people need to drive on those same roads to work causing more wear.

But new features are not the only thign to consider, after all a microwave is a microwave. So you need advertising. You need to come up with advertising campaigns, slogans, television commercials. You need to print adds on paper, broadcast it through the air with electricity, all consuming resources. Not to tell people microwaves are available, they know they exist, but to try and make them want to buy your microwave instead of someone elses which would be functionally identical in almost all cases.

These things must all be ran and constructed by more people who tax the infrastructure even more in the ways above mentioned, people whos entire careers are based off of something non productive so their entire lives and education up to that point burns resources

private property (immovable things like land, resources, means of production) is impossible with out a state, it exists within the body of the nation and nobody has right to it over another, unless a state makes laws to enforce that.

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RETARDED Boomer scum.

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>privately owned by certain individuals,
Do you realize that this includes you, user? When you go to work, you are selling your skills -- no one forces you to do that. YOU find the best job for YOU and negotiate the best compensation for
YOU ..

Communigger cultists need to be eradicated already.

and then the microwave that doesn't get bought just ends up in a landfill, fresh in box :^)

>Marx is the final redpill.
Do you realize that even Marxists admitted that Marx was wrong and his theory was garbage like 90+ yes ago? Vladimir Lenin knew that - how come you don't, user?

Post Capitalism is like Post Rock.
It's still capitalism, just developed to a point that it appears like socialism unless you pay very close attention

this is only true when labor is scarce, we have a surpplus of labor and, unlike in pre-capitalist times when people were rewarded based on the product of their labor, allowing more productivity to mean more for everybody, with wage-labor labor is sold not based on its product but simply straight up at a rate for time. This means as productivity increases people do not receive proportional compensation, they go on recieving the same compensation and there just become fewer jobs. Of course it has to be this way, because all of that extra profit must be put right back into competition or the other company will do it and out-compete you. So competition between companies lowers wages, as well as competition for jobs between the ever growing laborers as productivity increases.

Another shill thread.
>0.3¥ Yuan has been deposited into your bank account.

Fuck this chinese spy trying to use jewish tricks to subvert our nation from within.
In the last 10 years 90% of all corporate espionage done in the United States was done by an ethnically chinese person.
The chinese are stealing our technology to reproduce it and undercut us in the global market.
They are putting billions into hollywood and our university system to attack us with propaganda.
They have been studying the jews and this chinese spy is their enactment of it. They are trying to subvert our nation to implement policy that would destroy us.
Anyone who supports this chinese subversive is either a blind brain dead NPC or a chinese bot.

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The government doesn't control all the means of production. The system is not communist.

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OHHHH YES, CHIN-KEE SO HAPPY! MISTA YANG GONNA GIVE ME FREEEEEEEE MONEEEEEEE!

CHIN-KEE GONNA BUY SO MUCH RICE! SOOOO MANY FISH HEADS!
HURHURHURHURHURHUR!

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Your kike puppet donald trump wastes billions of dollars on Israel and the military. We definitely have the money.

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YOU RIGHT, AMELLICAN! YOU DONT NEED NO MILITALY! HURHURHUR! YOU CAN TOTARRY TRUST CHINEE MAN LIKE ME! WE NEVA ATTACK OUR BEST FLIEND AMELLICA! ME PROMISE!

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Communism is correct in its criticism of capitalism, but where it fails is still viewing man as a cog in some economic machine. Communists oppose nations (or at least 99% of you), each calling it a spook, saying the proletariat has no nation (when working class peoples obvious do).

Nationalism is an extremely powerful force that can be utilized to bring about the destruction of capitalism, but I rarely get serious responses from others on /leftpol/

What are you trying to accomplish, user?
If you live in capitalist country, then instead of philosophizing about nonsense like that, why don't you go and actually try how it works? Get a good job and make a nice living... or create your own business - it's cheap and simple here - and make even nicer living..

Why do feel like digging in failed garbage theories instead? What it can possibly give you?

No one in America is going without bread dumbass commie.

Marxism is retarded

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Liar & fake newser. sites.nielsen.com/newscenter/nielsen-and-feeding-america-collaborate-to-map-the-meal-gap/

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I do think that my daily bread is pretty essential for my survival.

VAT will raise prices, yes, but not to that degree.

Maybe like 15% at the absolute most, and since that's going right back to people's pockets it's not really going to matter.

Yeah corporations will take into account that Americans would have more cash lying around, but it's not like competition is going to magically disappear.

And the VAT will affect bigger corporations more than small ones, so there should be plenty of competition

Stay ragie wagie

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That's not correct. It's a meaningful reform that socialists should critically support if it becomes politically possible.

Revolution is not won by making the lot of the proletariat worse; rather it is won by teaching the proletariat how to fight back and win.

Socialists need to focus on building independent power, not bourgeois policy. We must build an independent worker's party strong enough to overthrow capitalism before the moment arrives; otherwise we'll end up with fascism.

I think Daddy marks would be proud of us

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>still viewing man as a cog in some economic machine
its not supposed to be some grand theory of life the universe and everything. Its an economic theory about how humans can manage their resources most effectively. Things that try to bring in anything but straightforward materialist ideas into this straightforward materialist question are trying to obfuscate ulterior motives and rob you.

Whereas when fascists require this complete multi-level mystical view of everything to function that you must adhere to in all ways communism just wants to manage resources, people are free to do whatever they want otherwise.

nations, as stalin defines them, are a group of people with shared language, history, geography, ethnicity, and culture. To say the proletariat have no nation is correct in that the proletariat is made up of people from many nations, and non nations (he considered russia and the US not to be nations based on his criteria, but simply having 'national characteristics')

Nobody is going to deny that nations exist or that they have some psychological force on people. North korea uses nationalism to resist imperialism and thus can be considered acting wisely in the face of overwhelming agression. But the problem with nationalism is it can also be used to act against the best interest of the people.

with or with out you
youtube.com/watch?v=ckNIMPQoBPw

>when labor is scarce
Good labor is ALWAYS scarce. ALWAYS.
If you are smart -- in capitalist society all doors are open for you.

If you ate dumb... well, that's usually the kind of people who talk about socialism, user. They think that they will hide in collectivist masses and get free stuff...
In practice this never happens -- but it's impossible to explain it to someone with low IQ... These people hear "free stuff" and simply can't control themselves. Usually these people die first when socialist overlords get the power. This is sad...

>corporations will take into account
Who stops you from joining a corporation?
You seem to think that corporation is something foreign and hostile. That's not true -- it's just a tool many ordinary people use to build wealth.
Most Americans are actually in many corporations (eg.via participation in
401K)

Marxism will never work. Economic, Social, Cultural, etc, Marxism has failed every single time it's been tried and applied. Marxism divides people into two general categories; Oppressed and Oppressor and incites violence and strife between the two. Marxism is a theory based on grievance. Grievance societies create wedges between populations and lead to a disharmonious existence of the state. Almost every single marxist society has collapsed into war, bloodshed and genocide.

>socialism
>free stuff

free stuff is only in capitalism. capitalists get to not work by exploiting the labor of others, and disgruntled proles get bribed to not revolt.

no free rides in socialism, you work or you work in gulag.

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