Okay there are some retards here who can't comprehend basic logic. I don't give a shit about Yang or UBI but automation is a huge problem world wide.
> Just don't put them out of work if you know it's going to have a destructive and inefficient result.
Companies benefit from automating jobs. They won't keep people hired for no increase of productivity in their system. From a business's point of view firing them increases their profits and also increases their productivity.
> Why don't you get them employed again instead of paying them to be welfare leeches?
The problem is that businesses aren't in charge of making sure everyone is hired. Actually no one is except the people themselves. We already know 50% of people who get laid off due to automation never goes back to the same field of work. And half of them file for disability. We even tried to create programs to help them get a new job by retraining them. But government funded programs have total success rate of 0 ~ 15% (data from michigan manufacturing workers)
> Automation making things cheaper doesn't mean much if people don't have money to buy them.
A company of 20,000 workers decides to automate their production and reduce their workers to 10,000. Since their production cost is lower, their product becomes cheaper as well. Does firing 10,000 people mean that 300 million people in US suddenly become poor and now no one is going to buy the product?
Most jobs that has to do with stationary physical labor like retail workers, fastfood workers, secreteries, cashiers, drivers, etc will get automated. It's not a matter of how but when. We already see this happening in stores like Mcdonalds in airports and it saves a lot of money and time for the business owners. Maintaining is cheaper and easier, overall pros outweigh the cons.
This is potentially 73 million jobs by 2030. If you don't think this is a problem then you either have 80IQ or you are just not convinced of the benefits of automation for businesses.
> 73.6% of Driver/sales workers & truck drivers are White, making that the most common race or ethnicity in the occupation.
Most of the people who are affected by this will be people who are hired / contracted by relatively big corporations. This is mostly white male in the case of drivers and sales workers. Not to mention this kind of change will happen in mid-income areas first then slowly push to low-income areas. There is virtually no gain for companies to not automate their jobs.
Why the hell would 500ylicon Valley want to automate cooks? Did Dorsey, Cuckerberg, and (((their))) H1B brigade have a bit too much tainted fancy French cuisine or something?
Hunter Allen
Retraining them is virtually impossible. #LearnToCode is a joke. 45 years old dude who spent last 10-20 years driving or selling burgers is not going to do too well in learning and entering a new field as I mentioned.
So realistically it will be very difficult for our society to create productive jobs that they can take on. Which means they will most likely stay unemployed with no income while GDP skyrockets by the companies with higher productivity with robots.
Another shill thread. >0.3¥ Yuan has been deposited into your bank account.
Fuck this chinese spy trying to use jewish tricks to subvert our nation from within. In the last 10 years 90% of all corporate espionage done in the United States was done by an ethnically chinese person. The chinese are stealing our technology to reproduce it and undercut us in the global market. They are putting billions into hollywood and our university system to attack us with propaganda. They have been studying the jews and this chinese spy is their enactment of it. They are trying to subvert our nation to implement policy that would destroy us. Anyone who supports this chinese subversive is either a blind brain dead NPC or a chinese bot.
Generally cooks can't work super long hours without any breaks. So there are high incentives to automate cooks in less bourgeoisie restaurants. Not 100% but stuff like frying potato chips n shit.
Brody Powell
stfu nigger don't come into a white mans thread. This is for people with at least 120 IQ
If you look up the manufacturing production in the US, we're back at pre-2008 levels, but they've all been automated to the point where manufacturing employment is still declining.
You literally can't compete with robots. The country that tries to refuse them will be undercut and outproduced by countries which embrace automation.
Michael King
> But how can productivity rise when employment is low?
Company has 5 workers who works 8 hours a day.
If they switch out 4 of them with machines like digital kiosks, now the company has 1 employee while outputting same amount of productivity.
At first, those who are fired will be able to find a new job. However the trend will not slow down because other companies will lose out on competition if they keep using humans as workers. The cycle continues until most of the jobs of the same type are replaced by automation. This will cause hyper increase in GDP with mass unemployment in US.
>intelligent thread talking about automation >durshil Anything not worshipping King kike Kushner makes you a shill to the Kushnerbot. Don't be a MIGAtard.
You clearly have an IQ of a monkey and can't understand English. As I said I don't give a shit about ching chong yang. I'm just discussing why we are losing millions of jobs right now. It's not because of immigrants. It's because of automation. And its going to get worse.
Ryan Reed
We can clearly see increase in mental health problem post 2008. We can't find a root cause from just comparing graphs but there is a correlation between increase in unemployment and increase in depression/anxiety. No one in the right might would say this is a good thing. More and more people will abuse substances and end up in the streets. Not only this will drive people to be anti-social but it will kill their motivation to work again.
> But didn't we hit all time low in unemployment rate? I saw it on the news.
The number does not capture those who are out of the labor force. "The headline U.S. unemployment rate captures only those who are actively looking for work. For example, it ignores people who are out of the labor force because they have given up looking for a job,”
So people who get fired due to automation and cannot find the same type of work will not show up on these reports. In some sense this makes us look better on paper because it shows that young people who are actively looking for a job is getting a job.
Note that there are other countries that has percentage of jobs at risk of automation. So US will not necessarily be the first one to implement robot cooks, trucks, salesman, etc. There are pros and cons to this.
Pros: We can prepare ourselves by gathering data from other countries. This will require political or economical reform to ease us into the surge of unemployment. More politicians will take notice of the trend and hopefully bring it to 2020 or 2024 election. By 2028, it will be too late.
Cons: Foreign countries will have the automation system which means adoption of those systems in US will be easier for corporations to carry out. This means that the spread of automation may happen a lot faster than previous countries. We may not be able to respond if some dumb old politicians think they don't see the trend. Then we won't be ready for the change for sure.
>out of the labor force Boomers are retiring, user.
Jason Fisher
These charts are not by age. It shows increase in overall productivity and profit while employment to population ratio goes down. This is not just boomers retiring.
HUGE MEME LMFAO I have seen self-checkouts since I was a child and I am in my late 20s now. There's literally nothing that can be done to improve them at this point and they still haven't caught on.
Aiden Wright
> We may not be able to respond if some dumb old politicians think they don't see the trend.
This is the case with Trump. He blamed most of the jobs being lost to illegal immigrants but in fact if you pay attention to the actual numbers, it's clear that automation has fucked us sideways for good. Few smart journalists have seen this and reported on it but no politicians has caught it. Dems are just pushing pc agenda with trump is evil narrative. Even if we "come together" it won't do anything to the jobs being taken away by the big corporations.
If anything someone from the right wing should talk about this because its a more close to the heart of conservatives. They just have to be smart enough to see that creating more coal miners will not be sustainable and it's just delaying the inevitable.
Actually its quite funny that an asian dude who is a dem is the only candidate talking about this issue.
The amount of employees needed to deploy a rig is smaller than the amount needed to service it.
Jonathan Evans
It's not even the visible parts. The reason malls in US are closing is largely due to automation in Amazon storage units. Because they use robots to do most of their storage management, they can sell their products with bare minimum of transportation cost.
Note that this video is from 3 years ago. This is already very outdated. 3 years is a very long time in tech field if you consider how much money and incentive Amazon has to improve their system.
It's clear that Amazon is championing retail right now and its only going to get worse as they automate more of their processes.
Once the process of automation becomes streamlined for businesses, these warehouses will become standard for smaller sized corporations as well.
yeah but this has been in the making for decades. This only cuts out a few jobs, we're not anywhere close to mass automation. you're hyping up a problem from 100 years in the future
David Thompson
I'm an IT manager and my salary is exactly what the chart shows, now I feel like my company just took the offer number straight from Bloomberg lol
Camden Hughes
Read the thread first before replying please.
Cont from These are some of the US retails that went bankrupt in the last 5 years due to lack of customers. Combined with the last graph with Amazon rising in retail, it is pretty easy to see that Amazon had negative effects on these stores. Due to this, malls are closing down which causes economic slowdown around the area where malls existed previously. With less people spending money on their local retail business, the income inequality becomes greater between the top 1% and the average Joe. This is peak capitalism + monopoly at play here.
Note that Amazon also payed $0 in tax this year which means the money doesn't even go back into the government, making average America to either pay more in taxes or suffer with shitty roads, schools, infrastructure, and public offices. If Amazon payed their taxes, we could make public colleges cheaper so you don't have to pay $100,000 loan just to get a degree. So it becomes a cycle which we buy from Amazon because its cheaper than local stores -> Amazon makes their product cheaper by avoiding taxes and investing their money into automation -> local businesses either go out or use automation to deal with not making enough profits -> jobs are lost with increased productivity -> people are forced to buy cheaper products -> we buy from Amazon -> ....
It's a never ending cycle that only feeds the mega corporations.
One of the reasons for the decline of malls is that the stores outright suck with online offering the same clothes but cheaper. Only reason to go to the mall is recreation/trying on clothes.
Tyler Hughes
This really can't go on indfeinitely thought. The pendulum will swing back and all this shit must collapse in violent revolution. I mean you're drastically increasing productivity - pumping out shit for people to consume for profit, while the people have no money to spend on the shit you pump out. The whole point of PRODUCTivity is creating PRODUCT, the whole point of product is for people to consume it in eschange for power - capital. What happens when people have literally nothing to exchange for the product, what the fuck happens then?
Matthew Sanchez
>mfw automation replaces so many jobs that the government runs out of taxpayers and implodes
Yes. You are 100% correct. Malls are becoming more concentrated with clothing stores. The things we have to try on physically are the ones we don't buy online even if they are cheaper.
That's how people in the ghetto lives. Very low income areas. They can't really afford things outside basic stuff so people often file for disability or food stamps. Because it's impossible to get a job or a loan, they just resort to social security benefits. Which will run out pretty quick once everyone starts getting poor.
People will start abusing substances and violence will be more common in neighborhoods. Depression will skyrocket and homelessness will be a big problem.
Another example is China. The income inequality in China is a huge problem which creates hyper cities with rich people while many areas suffer from poverty.
Society is going to resemble a lot like the 18th and 19th Century when industrialization first began and in stories like Charles Dickens.
Jonathan James
>automation is a huge problem world wide Said the train brake operator when Westinghouse invented air brakes
Kayden Reyes
Malls are due for a re-design, I guess thats already the case with "premium outlets" replacing them being places designed like a mall with shops but the focus is on upscale foods/snacks along with stores so its a recreational shopping experience, not because you need to get anything specifically.
Landon Johnson
It needs to happen without leaving them vacant because once people see stores being closed, that mall will start to die off unless they advertise the fuck out of it. But the trend is that some malls will close down.
The rational solution to the mall situation if can't be re-designed is to remodel it into some form of luxury lofts or something similar. If that is still impossible they just need to be demolished because as you have said once the scourge of stores shuttering hits it will overwhelm malls and drag them under.
Levi Bell
Here are some smart guys talking about the potential pros and cons of UBI but I'm still not 100% sold yet. But there will be a point in history where we need to go through an economic transformation.
Things they agree on > There will be a point where our current jobs don't matter > Goods will be extremely cheap due to extreme productivity of robots. > UBI could be an answer but there could be negative consequences such as lack of drive to work > With no jobs available there would not be as much "meaning" to life for some people who are not self driven. > This state of society will not be sustainable in long term.
Joshua Morris
OP is a poorfag who's labor has no value. Do not give him any money. Hey hey, ho ho. Liberal hobos have got to go.
Bentley Baker
Bruh, normal computers did the same shit.
Stop fear-mongering.
The crappy jobs will slowly be faded out while those people retire or move into other fields.
Daniel Nguyen
HEY, OP YOU PIECE OF SHIT HAVE YOU STOPPED BEING POOR YET?
Jacob Kelly
I'm Jewish.
Sebastian Powell
are you one of those preppers?
Logan Morris
Have you read my posts? It's not just about crappy jobs fading away.
Effects of High GDP (Production) and Low Employment Depression and unemployment Effects of automation on local economy.
Isaac Barnes
Yeah that would be good. It could even be like a free art gallery or entertainment space to attract more people. If they could maintain the flow of locals visiting, money will follow naturally.
John Nguyen
>I'm Jewish. This only stops you from being white. You can still be poor and your labor can still be absolutely worthless. Those are the only people who have any place to be worried about automation.
Dominic Flores
Well you are clearly not Jewish because your IQ must be around 70. They say chimps are only capable of thinking about the objects in front of them and can never assess the dangers of things outside their vision.
Alexander Baker
So you're still fuckin poor then? Sad!
Jeremiah Richardson
It's a real disaster. OP, with all his opportunities and potential (nepotism) is still a poor piece of shit who's labor has no value. I can't believe it. user, how did you piss away your opportunities so effectively?
Noah Baker
> He unironically thinks calling other people poor is an insult > Still hasn't left the thread Goyim you don't have to feel so insecure about your own wealth.
